EPTTL Mafia XXXVII - Page 58
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Coagulation
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why
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 Did LD's vote for himself near the end prove him innocent? I thought so, but then i realized he could just unvote if he needed to (although that might be suspicious). Overall I think it's pro-town but not overly so. I think we need a new crop of lynch targets for tomorrow. I nominate beneather and jbright as inactive people who have been more active in the past. I'm also interested to hear Foolishness' reasons for Seraph, as he's had Seraph pegged since day 1. | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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On February 28 2011 12:27 Beneather wrote: Voting for yourself doesn't prove he's innocent, people vote for themselves when they don't know who to vote for. It's just a way to keep them from being modkilled. I have been inactive because of stupid english assignments. I'll be more active tomorrow on the day. :D Coming out right after day...classy | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On February 28 2011 02:36 why wrote: At the moment I am actually thinking that both Barundar and LSB are town and are just at each other's throats. I just didn't find Barundar's arguments all that convincing, as I read through it I was like "sure, but he could also be town with that behavior". But I don't think Barundar would have posted something that long without being town (and he is fitting his town m.o. of long analysis + conspiracy theories). Of course, now that LSB is defending himself, I feel he is more likely mafia because he isn't considering the possibility that Barundar is town and his only defense is that we should lynch Barundar (really?) To me, the best explanation of the annul lynch was simply that icemac and possibly gryff are mafia and it was difficult to lynch anyone else. LSB may be mafia but I think icemac being mafia would open up that case a lot (if icemac is mafia then LSB is likely mafia opportunistically taking credit for busing annul after its clear he is going to die). Icemac has also done nothing today and soft defended annul a lot yesterday. Anyway, for now: ##Unvote ##Vote: Icemac This makes absolutely no sense, and setting up a chainlynch like this on someone who voted Annul OVER Icemac (townie) when annul had 5 votes and icemac had 5 votes surely wouldn't have been done by mafia. EXCUSE me to forcibly double post, but I am setting this one seperate from my main post which is coming, because I for sure want people to read this. Why setting up a chainlynch WHILE VOTING WHO I'M VOTING on me is laughable. I voted annul, in the middle of the lynch, and now LSB and why are pushing me? ha I voted icemac because I felt that scum TRIED TO WAGON ME as opposed to him, which made him look like scum. How can you even put me on that list? I had 2 votes on me when annul had like 10, because of my push on him bandwagonning and unvoting, plus LSB convinced me in PMs to vote him after he said he wouldn't push him regardless, and actually felt he was red. I was sniffing out whether or not it was a bus/whether or not he was blindly pushing like L or Ace would do, regardless of alignment. I'm just glad LSB isn't as good at lynching people as L, Ace, or I... hence why my target got lynched, and not his. | ||
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why
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On February 28 2011 12:42 gryffindor wrote: This makes absolutely no sense, and setting up a chainlynch like this on someone who voted Annul OVER Icemac (townie) when annul had 5 votes and icemac had 5 votes surely wouldn't have been done by mafia. EXCUSE me to forcibly double post, but I am setting this one seperate from my main post which is coming, because I for sure want people to read this. Why setting up a chainlynch WHILE VOTING WHO I'M VOTING on me is laughable. I voted annul, in the middle of the lynch, and now LSB and why are pushing me? ha I voted icemac because I felt that scum TRIED TO WAGON ME as opposed to him, which made him look like scum. How can you even put me on that list? I had 2 votes on me when annul had like 10, because of my push on him bandwagonning and unvoting, plus LSB convinced me in PMs to vote him after he said he wouldn't push him regardless, and actually felt he was red. I was sniffing out whether or not it was a bus/whether or not he was blindly pushing like L or Ace would do, regardless of alignment. I'm just glad LSB isn't as good at lynching people as L, Ace, or I... hence why my target got lynched, and not his. Ummmm....what? I only mentioned you because I thought it was possible mafia didn't try to push the wagon onto either you or icemac because one or both of you was mafia (thus explaining the ease of the annul lynch). You are being really, really defensive when this is the only time I have ever mentioned the possibility of you being mafia in any of my posts. To be honest I find you really hard to read because you are all over the place, but the extreme defensiveness of this post over almost nothing makes me suspicious. | ||
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Foolishness
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On February 28 2011 12:11 Coagulation wrote: foolishness your case against LD was pretty week. hes normally an active poster and not acting like that in this game but that is a big can of wifom. So if somebody acts different during a game it's okay? I recall you saying you didn't want to kill icemac (correct me if I'm wrong) yet YOU are half the reason he died (the other half being GMarshal). I don't care if you don't believe me on LD, that's fine cause my analysis was half done. I had to rush to post it because day was going to end and I wanted to try to save the town from killing someone they clearly were hesitant about killing. But there was very little reason to change to JBright last minute because 1) there was only ~30 min left in day, you can't expect to get 6-8 votes in that time, 2) JBright would have been top candidate for tomorrow's lynch, and 3) obviously, we ended up killing someone we didn't want to in the first place. Sweet, what did we learn yesterday? Next to nothing. Now we are pretty much back at square one because LD and I are going to spend at least the next 24 hours arguing, which is going to make the town want to kill both of us. Furthermore, he's probably not going to die because everyone will start doubting me and reverting to someone else. People are probably going to forget about JBright because you are sitting there calling my analysis wifom (what does wifom mean again?) so I'm going to have to sit and spend hours explaining why we should be killing LD or JBright because we clearly have nothing better to do. (And we clearly have nothing better to do because we lynch someone we didn't even want to yesterday). Or I'm going to just shut up and get someone else to post against JBright because after what happened I don't expect anyone to believe me on LD. At least if we had killed LD we would have either gotten a mafia, or had good leads for tomorrow (JBright, icemac, myself). I'll be active in PMs as usual if anyone cares about my opinion. I suppose I'll make a case against Seraph tomorrow just in case he's still alive in ~4 days. On February 28 2011 12:12 LunarDestiny wrote: Why didn't you followed up if you really believed I am scum? I responded to all(?) of your post. Maybe later. I got better things to do now. | ||
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Foolishness
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Points still stand though. You can't have a bandwagon in 30 minutes. Even me trying to bandwagon in 5 hours is a huge stretch. | ||
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chaoser
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On February 28 2011 12:56 Foolishness wrote: Oh whoops I miscounted one, somehow I thought it would have been tied. Points still stand though. You can't have a bandwagon in 30 minutes. Even me trying to bandwagon in 5 hours is a huge stretch. Not if you're pandain | ||
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gryffindor
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That was clarified as sarcasm. I'm trying to find where I left off, but I saw this and had to respond. RoL clarified that, did you not see it? On February 27 2011 22:21 Jackal58 wrote: Barundar, I was strongly suspecting you as being scum creating a "false" argument with LSB. A tit for tat that would sew enough doubt in everybody's mind to allow a 3rd candidate to get pushed to the lynch. But after your Homeric epic on LSB I feel that I must dismiss that idea. I don't believe Scum would go that far in a charade. Instead of believing you both to be scum I am fairly certain one of you surely is. However I am not 100% sure which. However I will be after today's lynch. As I've said before this is a numbers game. I am playing them now. Town still has a large numerical advantage. If LSB flips green you are surely scum and will be dealt with tomorrow. UNVOTE: Gryffindor VOTE: LSB Um, LSB proposed the idea first. This is completely his baby. This is a misrepresentation. Is there a reason you aren't really scumhunting behaviorally, and are tunneling on minute details? It is pretty bad play. On February 27 2011 23:04 JBright wrote: A lot of interesting arguments are being thrown around, but none of them are particularly compelling enough to throw any one person to the top. For now, I'll go with the possible scum slip and vote for icemac. ##vote: icemac Now that I've seen icemac flip, I don't really like this post. Sure, I started the wagon for d2 afaik, but jumping on with a weak 3 line post sheeping reasoning is even worse. On February 28 2011 01:55 LSB wrote: So people are voting for me because I'm too good? Wow, good job TL Town! Great job! Appeal to Emotion right here I wish I had been online to see this I would have instantly voted him I shouldn't be saying this, as he's going to kill me in the night now -great On February 28 2011 02:01 LSB wrote: In case you haven't realized, I've already analyzed Annul before, I know how he plays. Secondly, I will say it right now. I put the most comprehensive analysis on Annul, and without my constant badgering and pushing, annul probably wouldn't have died. In addition, you completely ignore my town play. My town play = find mafia and kill. There is a reason why I usually don't live to see day 2. Because mafia take me out early. Your attack is all WIFORM: You are saying "hey what if LSB was scum", well he would play that way. Only problem is it is a complete misrepresentation, my scum play and my town play are completely different, here is a link for how Incog describes it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=21#415 Here, you act like meta can't be changed. I completely disagree with you. Furthermore, when I say TL.net doesn't bus, you aren't cleared of that, since you play on mafiascum with me. On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote: Hey guys, lets just use our lynch on Barundar, once he flips red, I'll be cleared. Ezpz. In addition, this is the same problem with Barundar's push against Jackal58, + Show Spoiler + Oops, 'scumslip' I said Barundar was read can you REALLY explain to me how him flipping clears you? that makes absolutely no sense. Even if he's red, you could be BUSSING HIM. I mean, your arguments are all about bussing, why is this bus not even more epic? I find that more likely than you having bussed annul. I've been reading you two quibbling as town on town honestly. On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote: EWBOP He just reads too much in individual posts. I know annul red, ezpz. I know Barundar is red. Lynch him and clear me. you would KNOW he was red if YOU were red. This does not clear you. I'm so glad town was above lynching you guys for your tomfoolery. Even with icemac gone... oh well... he wasn't that good of a townie. On February 28 2011 02:08 deconduo wrote: Good analysis, I agree with most of the points. However, I can't vote LSB ahead of someone who has repeatedly lied, changed his opinions from black to white and posts like this: I would also be vary wary of ANYONE posting like this: Why have the two of you completely discounted the possibility of both of them being town? @LSB Thats not much of a defense. I agree with this My only question is this: Why are people from the United Kingdom so against being blackmailed?  It was really a hollow threat, anyways, to see how you would react. Tunneling worse than jackal? probably not, but I'm taking you pushing me to be town. I don't really care, though, except I'll have to get rid of you all before LYLO unless you get your heads out of your asses and decide to actually scumhunt the other dozens of people in the game who could be scum. If I'm such a liar, am I lying about how I pushed Annul when it was 5-5 and I made it 6-5 with reasoning of bandwagonning and liking LSB pushing him? Have I voted for LSB? No. Am I lying about that? Maybe! No, but really, I wish I would have voted LSB now that I've seen his AtE. On February 28 2011 02:10 LSB wrote: Go lynch Barundar and once he flips red that will be my defense. OK, so you bussed him. That will be my offense. What is your defense of you knowing he was red before he flipped? There isn't one possible. If you REALLY want to be cleared, you better hope you're a blue or a medic protects you. I'm not going to 'clear' you behaviorally, unless something is very solid. Bussing usually occurs at the start or the end of the wagon, someone like myself or wiggles was a lot more cleared off of annul flipping than you from my perspective. I have seen AGar, who was Judge here (ace definitely will remember his horrible d1 medic claim in the game chezinu ended up catching him in PM land when he was on a team with mikeymoo... funny game, i really recommend that read... i believe it was the 2nd mini run here.), bus someone on d1 or d2... having started the wagon on them... and was generally thought to be cleared for the rest of the game like you are claiming to be. - I'm not going to let that happen again. I'm not voting you, but I have my eye on you for your pushing of a bus on someone else when it was just as likely you did it yourself, even moreso from the looks of you pushing how "clear" you are going to be. On February 28 2011 02:17 deconduo wrote: Yeah, thats enough for me but I'm still lynching gryff tomorrow. ##Unvote ##Vote LSB you can try, but i don't believe you'll have support, as a lot of good players view me as town you are pushing me for very silly reasoning, and a personal feel you played with me as a SK, and you pushed the cell idea in Orgah (supposedly, or so you said in PM, do you dispute that?) You also backed it up here. I killed you as scum, when you were the godfather, in orgah. Sure, you are playing differently here than there, but you had red text creating your play there. You could easily be lurking/tunneling/pushing me actively just to appear like you are scumhunting when you are, actually, in fact, not. On February 28 2011 02:23 Jackal58 wrote: I haven't. But pressure works better than praise. I'm still favoring gryffindor. I agree with this. However, you're voting me for ME pressuring people, really. My 'lie' was a joke relating to how the host supposedly coached a player how to play this game... that just seems like it shouldn't be happening. Deconduo pushing me is because he has a pretty funny PM in my inbox, from my perspective. I don't believe he is scum, though, due to meta, or I would have been pushing him. On February 28 2011 02:36 LSB wrote: I don't like this "I think both of them are town" argument. Barundar is red. Lynch him. Why is he red? On February 28 2011 02:42 Jackal58 wrote: I'm wondering if team scum is ballsy enough to bus two members two days in a row in order to create the illusion that one of you is so freaking town that he can become almost immune to scrutiny. I like this train of thought. Even if LSB lynched Barundar, who flipped red, he wouldn't be 'clear' I wouldn't be voting him right away, but I wouldn't be anyways. On February 28 2011 02:44 LSB wrote: Idc if you think I'm scum as long as you kill Barundar. And then I'll kill another scum for you day three. We cool? you gonna suicide? d3 is late for a suicide On February 28 2011 02:48 why wrote: @LSB What exactly is your argument again? As far as I can tell it is "he forced analysis on Jackal to shift the lynch from annul" and now "Barundar's case on me isn't that good". You seem awful sure for that to be your evidence. Barundar seems to be playing his pretty usual town self, and the conspiracy theory is totally town from him (see XXXV Barundar believes RoL bussed annul). I have a question: If Barundar is red, then why did he do analysis on Jackal rather than on icemac or gryff yesterday? Both of them had more heat on them and would have been an easier lynch than starting something on jackal. Barundar and I scumhunted through PM, whereas LSB wouldn't really reply to me much. LSB actually let there be a couple hour gap before I PMed him again, badgering him about his feelings on annul willingness to sacrifice self is much more townie you have pretty much said you would be pushing a different person d3... i view his as more town than yours. On February 28 2011 02:51 LSB wrote: He was the one who tried to redirect the lynch from annul, and this is shown as he forced analysis on Jackal. I've already explained why gryff is a harder lynch. As for iceman, well... it would be interesting if iceman was red. That could explain why annul was reluctant to lynch him. You explained this, but you also listed me on tier 3 doesn't make sense to me. Also, why were you even thinking that way, in terms of who would be power role sniped? It only makes sense for mafia to think that way. Well, for the most part. I'm sure you can imagine other reasons, as can I, but those are not proper to talk about! On February 28 2011 03:20 kevconsim wrote: I suggest we do this or lynch Icemac. We can move forward by 1) lynching Barundar 2) lynching LSB 3) lynching Icemac Those are the only viable ways of moving forward i can see. I suggest we lynch Barundar today and if he turns out to be town we lynch LSB If you think they are both town then we should lynch Icemac Anyways ##VOTE Barundar I view this as town. Couple this with the fact he shifted onto Annul at a good time for town to do so, and I'm asking for medic protection for kev. Protect on him would be good... This post is likely town. On February 28 2011 03:42 chaoser wrote: Think he's talk about you kev. Also, LSB, shame on you. Your whole defense has been lynch him first! he's mafia! I'm not! when he flips red you'll see how I'm green. You claim all he's doing is WIFOM but you're doing the same by linking to old games. We can't trust "play style" analysis 100% since smart players will obviously change it up. Or not change it up. That's WIFOM too. Respond to his individual points please, until you do my vote will be on you. He was willing to write a fucking essay; if he was mafia trying that hard, and you're really town, you would try just as hard. So far you're not and so you scumminess is getting higher for me. How is kev "on life support"? he was on the annul wagon. He obviously is good enough to pick out the red wagons, which is good enough for me. On February 28 2011 04:16 deconduo wrote: Why does everyone ignore me... you appear to be actively lurking, and tunneling, from my perspective of course it's easy for me to pick up on this, as it's me you're tunneling on. On February 28 2011 04:25 LSB wrote: There is a difference, and it's not what you say. They arguments are similar as both of them 1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks 2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia There is a few differences. My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. I agree with this information, but this being information instead of analysis, or IIoA, still makes it lack scumhunting. Had you said you were pushing him, actually, for a different reason, this would have made you look good to me. However, you didn't. On February 28 2011 04:32 LSB wrote: Of course annul's lynch was a bus at the end. I even agree to that. The reason why it was a bus was because I shot down all alternatives, and so the mafia couldn't bus anyone. You are making the flawed assumption that I was just another mafia on the bus. You are trying to figure out my actions based off what others were doing. That's a flawed form of reasoning. In addition, seriously, LSB bussing Annul? That sounds dumb. Think of it again. If it was DocH bussing LSB that sounds reasonable, but LSB bussing Annul is impossible. Considering I've been shot night one of every single game where I didn't yell out for medic protection, me yelling for medic protection is perfectly reasonable What do you mean? I posted lots of good analysis. Do I seriously need to link them for you? I'm sure your mafia. Why is to scummy to be sure that your mafia? Are you saying that stating my beliefs is a bad thing? My case on you is based on your forced analysis which is evident through your contradictions and flawed reasoning. Boom I've had more than 5 extensive post arguing my case and other things So if you want to make this a bottle collected game of "see who has lots of good posts", I win. You shot down all alternatives? Icemac, who is now confirmed to be a townie (very surprising to me), was at 5 votes the same time annul was... when I started pushing annul. you hardly shot down all alternatives. @Cubedin, bottom of page 50 I like your analysis of OriginalName's post On February 28 2011 05:49 GMarshal wrote: I looked through and saw there weren't any great analysis out on you icemac, so for your convenience I decided to write one! no need to thank me! ok I'm only going to take the relevant posts as people seem to dislike my posts where I look at every post (as usual my commentary in bold) + Show Spoiler + Seems like shit's hitting the wall pretty hard without any real leads so far. Since its too early, why not just get a semi-active who is probably smart enough to keep their heads in the game but not smart enough to post big as a mafia. I guess this is ironic coming from me seeing as how I've just got up to date & posting. this is an interesting point considering the fact that the people in suspicion at the time were me, gryff, annul and chaoser, if icemac flips red then we should scrutinize chaoser and gryffindor (and me actually) I'm not really sure of what to make of this post one way or another, seems just like a general town post + Show Spoiler + Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. here is a post I take issue with, not because it goes against my plan, but because it provides no reasons for it, it just labels it as bad play. I have no problem with discussion, its when there is no reasoning behind it that I start to suspect people. Also its rather aggressive play for a player who just got here (not that that's a bad thing), but it is mimicking annul's "arguments" + Show Spoiler + Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis. and here is a damning post, anyone who argues against analysis gets an automatic scum point in my book, and the rebuff saying it was pulled out of my ass in no way actually addresses any issues he may have with the analysis itself, +2 scum points + Show Spoiler + (~snip, gryffs mention of a possible link between me and annul) I doubt mafia is this stupid. Thats an interesting post actually, notice how this isn't constructive at all? I'm seeing a pattern here of not actually contributing and just dismissing things in general, now I know I'm town but if I were scum it could easily be a slip on annuls part, never dismiss a possible scum slip +1 scum point + Show Spoiler + I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards. you were asked to clarify if you meant 1, if you did then this is a null contribution, as that was where the town was tending anyway and you failed to provide any reason why any of us was a compelling choice at all, +1 contentless posting! + Show Spoiler + (~snip me calling him out on the above posts) Alright, let's just say you are being productive, what conclusions are you actually arriving at? its a good question but he fails to substantiate his arguments, I think I call him out on dodging my questions later + Show Spoiler + (~snip, list of inactives by kita) Where are these people? thats not a contribution, at least put a vote on them to pressure them ,+1 meaningless posting + Show Spoiler + (~snip why's arguments against icemac) So by responding to posts, I'm up for lynch? I've said a lot: the current way we're analyzing data isn't optimal. I don't think we should be you using scant data on Day 1 such as you, yourself, are doing. The reason I'm not listing any names other than the inactives is because I have no reasoning against anyone. I don't think I'm forcing myself at all; instead, I'm making meaningful posts on how town should act on Day 1 which is lynching inactives and semi-actives trying to stay in the covers. Ok, so lets see that actual substance of your defense, basicly it is "I dont like analysis day 1" and "I dunno who to vote for" and you make a pretty basic mistake, you say town should go for lurkers day 1, which is a mistake, town should pressure lurkers day 1 and only lynch them if there is no better alternative, becuase it is easy for mafia to move votes onto a town inactive, rather than a scum lurker, still an easy mistake to make + Show Spoiler + (~snip do not claim message) seriously not a real contribution, but people have been doing this all game long (reinforcing the don't claim message) + Show Spoiler + What I mean is that we shouldn't lynch any actives because they're at least contributing. We'll be able to see their alignment or slipups in the future via posts/ pms/ hit patterns/ lynch patterns/ etc. If it's really that important, then I say ICanFlyLow for not talking at all. First person in the list I found that wasn't talking at all. ##Vote: ICanFlyLow so after deciding that my plan is scummy and 1 of gryffindor annul GMarshal or chaoser should be lynched you switch to an inactive? I already explained why voting for inactives to make them post is good, but after agroing on me so hard this seems like an abrupt change + Show Spoiler + (~snip ON making a FoS on him) How the heck am I red? Just because I'm smart enough to take a bipartisan approach to day 1 and not listen to over analysis and red-analysis doesn't mean I'm scum playing the middle of the road. Right now I'm pretty convinced you're either a baddie or straight up mafia. this is an OMGUS attack without the actual vote, since ON accused him he must be scum, this is bad play from icemac + Show Spoiler + Also, I'm not jumping into this Jackal58 bandwagon because I'm not bad. Lynch me if you will. this actualy merits a townie point, refusing to jump on an easy bandwagon to take votes and suspicion off himself + Show Spoiler + (~snip, Ser Aspi posts an accusation at wiggles) I like. Also, I hate how me and annul are cast with 100% of the blame for just being active holy shit. I think Ser Aspi is got something here. Trying to jump on an easy bandwagon or just easily persuaded? hard to tell, also you weren't taking the blame for being active, but rather for being aggressive without arguments. + Show Spoiler + What do you mean by a huge dive. I changed my vote from an afk-player who just stopped going afk to some major bandwagon scum. Playing it by ear. so you admit that you are essentially sheeping, that is terrible town play (see minimafia VII for an example of why), if you had at least said it was for reason 1,2 and 3 then it would have been but that just points to either bad play or something more sinister +.5 scum points + Show Spoiler + Fair analysis. I just want to ask about the lynches. Haven't played with TL before How significant are Darmousseh, Kitaman27, Mr. Wiggles as players? Are the known for being good players, etc. ? Also, is there any of their caliber that "should be dead" but isn't? I'm okay with ##Vote Barundar for now. stop sheeping , or if you are going to at least point out which points swayed you the most , ok LSB posted a good analysis but think critically about it, I will admit you weren't the only one swayed by it, so I'll give you a pass on that one. Also good questions, I'm glad you are thinking/asking them + Show Spoiler + Oh boy, if ohn is mafia and i'm town, i'm going to quote the hell out of this afterwards. it could be a slip, but we all make mistakes, Im willing to give him a pass Verdict: despite some mistakes and somewhat new play I don't think he is scum (last person I said that about was annul, so take it with a grain of salt), so for now I'm going to put him under sheeping town really though you need to start providing reasons for your posts. How did you know he was going to flip green? You gave him numerous "scum points", then conclude he is green? give me a break. On February 28 2011 05:57 icemac wrote: Oh boy here we go again with the over-analysis. Why so compelled to "defend" me? On February 28 2011 06:00 icemac wrote: I just think you're shady. Even icemac picks up on it, Gmarshal. On February 28 2011 06:43 LSB wrote: He always plays like this, I'd rather have a DT check used on this. Case in point, Haunted Mafia. He tried to get people to claim to him, pretended a DT claimed to him when there was none, and then lied repeatedly, gotmodkilled and flipped town. First off, I wasn't in Haunted Mafia. If I was, though, and I claimed to have a DT claim to me, I'm sure I could pull up said-PM On February 28 2011 07:07 chaoser wrote: He ask lied about his PMs with deconduo No, I really didn't. Deconduo was talking about how he proposed the cell idea from Orgah, where he was scum, and he also supported said idea here, making it look like he was scum. How is that lying? On February 28 2011 07:45 chaoser wrote: AHHHHHHHHHHH GAH! fuck it, i'm going to vote for the guy i've been suspicious of instead of this LSB/Barundar bullcrap vote: icemac first gmarshal putting FoS on me, then bandwagonning with me, then you combine that with you having a quicktime with him.. which icemac outted of all people... and your obviously forced reaction here AS YOU DEFENDED ME IN THE QUICKTIME. That open contradiction accrues scumpoints from me. On February 28 2011 07:50 LSB wrote: Voting Icemac because I want to move the lynch off of just 4 people. Also because Annul was reluctant to move the lynch onto Icemac Ohhh, so you're bandwagonning with me now, too? Great. I wish I had been around to see this. On February 28 2011 08:39 Coagulation wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Icemac Why did you vote Icemac here? On February 28 2011 09:04 Jackal58 wrote: Well I suppose there is no such thing as a policy vote. Fair enough. ##unvote ##vote Icemac He's been doing post and ghost similar to divinek in XXXVI. And after a day of LSB and Barundar declaring No You! No You! I will take a dim view of people telling me I tunnel. You definitely tunnel. Foolishness lurks until D2 as mafia, yeah I read a game he did this as the Godfather On February 28 2011 10:55 Kenpachi wrote: It's the foolishness way. Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting killed by scum and spring and attack when you least expect it Glad to see you're defending this. You know he does this as scum, too, right? On February 28 2011 11:01 Jackal58 wrote: I believe it's my first game with him. How does he play when he's scum? Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting lynched? Honest question. This looks like a diversion off of icemak. Except everybody is jumping on board. I'm confused. I don't like being confused. Yes. On February 28 2011 11:34 Coagulation wrote: neither of them are mafia. at this point i would say best bet would be to lynch jbright how do you know? On February 28 2011 11:35 Coagulation wrote: he was active somewhat in orgah mafia hes completely inactive here Unvote ##vote jbright I dislike this, considering Icemac had just voted himself, and you voted him 30 minutes before... or at least said in the thread u were going to... i'll have to look to see if you actually did, though i'm like 99% sure you did based upon you posting vote:icemac in the thread.. it just looks like you're happy he accrued 1 more vote, so you're fine to take yours off as your buddy LD isn't going to be lynched. On February 28 2011 11:57 Coagulation wrote: kenpachi vote jbright scum coaching scum? check. On February 28 2011 12:01 Coagulation wrote: shit id rather lynch icemac than LD I'd say you would. On February 28 2011 12:11 Coagulation wrote: foolishness your case against LD was pretty week. hes normally an active poster and not acting like that in this game but that is a big can of wifom. HIS CASE ON HIM WAS WEAK? you're joking, right? We are lynching LD tomorrow I believe Foolishness wasn't hit because they felt he would be medic protected... we shall see if this was the case eventually, like d3 probably, if he isn't killed or hasn't caught us a red. I'm fairly certain that foolishness or I will be hit tonight I'd like to reiterate that medics should consider protecting kevconsim for he is pretty clearly townie | ||
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My big problem in all my mafia games is I don't have the thread pressence to get a lynch through. My best games as town is when I can link with a strong personality and influence them, like with Kav in mafia xxxvi and to some degree pandain in xxxv. In my experience, quantity beats quality when a post can get spammed to silence. So yeah, that's why I offered myself to get lynched. I knew me flipping would be the only way for people to actually go through with my arguments. LSB is a big personality, and can post pages in minutes, and in the end people just get tired and think: They are probably both town. I agree with you that the mafia presence wasn't strong day 1, but I disagree with your conclusion that they where all sheeping along. The luxury of bussing your team mate is you can actually post pro town, and hence LSB was hiding in the open. His anti town play was afterwards, and my initial plan was just to observe, but I decided to put a reasoned FoS out, just to see if he would bite. In my opinion his playstyle afterwards has been textbook mafia with OMGUS accusation, list posting, and "no u" arguments. I do recognise that my case against him has distracted town from actual scumhunting for a day, and so I can live with just at least having raised suspecion against him. If he is mafia as I believe, he will screw up eventually. @Medics, Foolishness is damn valuable to the town, please consider him. | ||
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