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btw, just so you know syllo.
I answered the question "Generally, yes" but you didn't ask specifically about this game, in which it'd make no sense to only have one mafia person doing the killing.
I am sorry you went through all the trouble.
Btw, just PM hosts with questions like these, and if you intend to use information like this in the game, then be sure that the answer isn't a general one, but a specific one.
Again, sorry if I made you believe that there was some kind of a rule that said the godfather had to do it.
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Oh I didn't believe that at all, it was just something worth considering. It doesn't even have to be the GF, but you can infer things from activity during kills regardless of whether it was the GF who send in the kills.
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On July 02 2011 03:44 syllogism wrote: Oh I didn't believe that at all, it was just something worth considering. It doesn't even have to be the GF, but you can infer things from activity during kills regardless of whether it was the GF who send in the kills.
Oh, alright.
Was just making sure I'd not confused you into doing a fuckton of work based on a one-off answer from me.
incoming announcement, time to get crackin' town.
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@chaos13
i've already explained my reasons for wanting to lynch 201, re-read my posts to see why
i'm fine with lynching hiro too, if you need me to say the magic words "i think he's scummy" then i think he's scummy. there's already a hella case against him and i feel no need to extrapolate
and again i want to ask youOn July 02 2011 02:37 gtrsrs wrote: wondering where you picked up on a frantic tone?!!?!?!??!?
seems to me like you're putting a false sense of urgency onto my posts, trying to make me look bad for no reason. what's your motive bro
i just don't think youngminii is a good lynch. he's been pro-town all game. but i also don't think syllogism is a good lynch either, i think he's been pro-town as well. i don't think one of them HAS to be mafia and i would be surprised if either were
anyways i need somewhere to move my vote off of GMarshal so we can just shoot him tomorrow. anyone have any suggestions or going to start a BW?
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On July 02 2011 03:51 gtrsrs wrote:@chaos13 i've already explained my reasons for wanting to lynch 201, re-read my posts to see why i'm fine with lynching hiro too, if you need me to say the magic words "i think he's scummy" then i think he's scummy. there's already a hella case against him and i feel no need to extrapolate and again i want to ask you Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 02:37 gtrsrs wrote: wondering where you picked up on a frantic tone?!!?!?!??!?
seems to me like you're putting a false sense of urgency onto my posts, trying to make me look bad for no reason. what's your motive bro i just don't think youngminii is a good lynch. he's been pro-town all game. but i also don't think syllogism is a good lynch either, i think he's been pro-town as well. i don't think one of them HAS to be mafia and i would be surprised if either were anyways i need somewhere to move my vote off of GMarshal so we can just shoot him tomorrow. anyone have any suggestions or going to start a BW?
I don't think YM has been pro-town at all. Hell, he started the game out with random accusations, and since then he hasn't really done anything to greatly improve his standing.
I read a frantic tone in your posts. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's what I got out of them. Your slight OMGUS here doesn't help you at all
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On July 02 2011 03:56 chaos13 wrote: Your slight OMGUS here doesn't help you at all
-____-;; now you are just being crazy bro
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On July 02 2011 03:51 gtrsrs wrote: seems to me like you're putting a false sense of urgency onto my posts, trying to make me look bad for no reason. what's your motive bro
Do you deny saying this then? All I can interpret this as is an accusation of me.
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i don't think you're scummy tbh i just think you're looking in the wrong place for scum
my original question was a legit question - i didn't know WHO you thought was being frantic cause i didn't pick that up from any posts. you answered it, i dispelled your fears, and now we're cool
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On July 02 2011 03:48 Palmar wrote: incoming announcement, time to get crackin' town.
Waiting on this. I want to now what you got in store
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Let's get this show on the road
So, here we are with incredible results on day 2. Three mafia players are down and we're doing quite well in keeping the discussion active and the fingers pointing all over the place. I don't know if any of the true veterans feel the same way, but currently I feel like this is the strongest town play that I've ever been part of
Let's keep it that way.
The GMarshal dilemma
GMarshal has pretty damning evidence against him. I summarized some of the really weird things that happened around the Drazerk lynch right here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10062251
But let's not forget, GMarshal also has a few points in his favour.
- Drazerk tried to cuddle up to his manly chest. This looks a lot like Draz trying to frame GM should Draz die. Especially noteworthy is the sentence "Well at least when I flip green it proves GM innocent". It could well be theorized that the meaning of his sentence was the exact opposite.
- TAA told us specifically not to DT check GM, and added that if he was mafia, then he'd be the godfather. This is my best guess for his DT check day 1. TAA checked GM and got an innocent result.
- GM claimed veteran, a role that we can easily check and confirm without revealing our vigilante.
This does not mean in any way that GMarshal is clear. This simply means we should use our resources as intelligently as we possibly can and shoot him tomorrow. If he claims getting shot without actually getting shot, then our Vigi just kills him for lying.
It's simple as that.
This is the reason I want the town to not kill GMarshal tonight. If for some reason the same bullshit happens tomorrow, and he remains living with no confirmation. I'll be the first one to fight for getting him hanged.
We have the option of easily confirming or denying GM, and his lynch will probably be a quiet one. I don't want that. I want people creaming and shouting around the lynch. Because only that way can we gain the information we need to proceed intelligently in the game.
So, without further ado, I shall now present an alternative lynch target. Syllo has suggested youngminii, and I will be suggesting Nisani201.
Why Nisani201 is scum
First off. This was almost skipped over in the frantic discussion leading up to the day 1 lynch. And since half the town wanted to kill Sinani206 at the time, people didn't really stop to give it a second look.
But in the light of recent events, I am going to quote this analysis originally by Sinani206 on his twin, because it's actually a pretty damn good analysis.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10056232
On June 30 2011 08:07 sinani206 wrote:Nisani201
- Number and length of posts
Nisani201 has 36 posts in the thread, 24 of which are from after the Day 1 post. His mean post length is 2.5 sentences, his mode post length is 2 sentences, and his maximum post length is 6 sentences which he reached 2 times. Just keep these numbers in mind as I continue this analysis.
- Contentless posting
Here is an example of one of Nisani201's better posts:
On June 29 2011 07:59 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote: @Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town. I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch. Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote. ##Vote: Drazerk
In this post, he simply agrees with sandroba's thoughts that syllogism is town and Cthsazsa's analysis, which showed that Drazerk was scum. He does not provide any new content.
His other 6-sentence gem:
On June 29 2011 10:33 Sinani201 wrote: This trend of shooting down spammy players is insanely stupid; it's what lost the town in XVII. Cthasza wrote a fantastic analysis on Drazerk, and if he's right about it then there shouldn't be a reason to lynch him.
I'm voting for Draserk because he is full of contradictions and slip-ups, NOT because of spam.
That is all.
He provides one tiny piece of advice: not to kill spammy players, which is only half-right: lynch scum, shoot spammers. He re-references Cthasza's analysis and defends his vote, but he doesn't give any evidence of Drazerk's "contradictions and slip-ups."
These are Nisani201's two longest posts, and both of them are simply parroting what others have said and stating the obvious without adding any new analysis to the table.
- Active lurking
Here are some examples of what the average Nisani201 post looks like:
On June 28 2011 11:57 Sinani201 wrote: No more stupid TF2 Garry's Mod videos.
This is serious business.
On June 28 2011 14:15 Sinani201 wrote: Sorry, bad formatting.
Please change my name on the player list to "Nisani201 (Sinani201)" as that is what I should be known as throughout the game
On June 28 2011 14:40 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I enjoy how GMarshal included Palmar on the Vet list, yet his first game was my first game as well. Yes, he had a strong showing for Mafia that game...but in all honesty, scum won from an inactive town. I wonder what motivation GMarshal has putting a new player like Palmar (if you'd like to see an example of his 'stellar town play', may I direct you to PTP?) in the 'Vet' side of that list. He's certainly no vet as far as I'm concerned.
Palmar is not in this game, he submitted /out soon before the game started. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=6#109
On June 29 2011 01:41 Sinani201 wrote: The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us.
On June 30 2011 06:35 Sinani201 wrote: When is Day over?
What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie?
These are all bits of information that are not useful to the town in any way and questions that can easily be answered by reading the OP. He makes these posts because he doesn't want to have to post content, but he doesn't want to seem inactive.
- Scummy play
On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote: Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.
First, I pressure him into posting and he responds by saying that he will contribute when he has enough information. Let's see what he means by contribute:
On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote: Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first. From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.
This is his "analysis" of chaos13, where he points out that he is either Mafia or Medic. This contribution does not help town at all. The fact that he could be on either side is useless, and pointing out that he could be Medic helps Mafia, as GMarshal pointed out.
His next "contribution:"
On June 29 2011 09:38 Sinani201 wrote: I don't really understand how the first quote from him is a scumslip. The second one is iffy; I could see why you might think it's suspicious but it could by no means be used as a primary argument.
He is referring my supposed scumslips which were posted by sandroba. He refuses to take a stance on my play. He is acting extremely safe and neutral, which is a scummy trait.
A more recent post:
On June 30 2011 00:40 Sinani201 wrote: Drazerk has posts that give off scumtells. For Viscera, it's a lack of posts.
I don't understand why the bandwagon against Drazerk is a bad thing. A lot of people are voting for him. That just means Cthsasa's analysis against him was good. It's not OMGUS, it's just agreement.
He says that a lot of people are voting for Drazerk because Cthazsa's analysis was good. I assume he was talking about himself as well when he said this. He subtly explains that he is voting because of the analysis, not because he actually thought that Drazerk was scummy. This is a major scumslip. He is basically saying he found a good analysis to hide behind.
Finally, he says this in response to Drazerk's analysis of me:
On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote: You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
This is a scummy post because Drazerk's analysis of me was good because it could have started some healthy discussion, and as scum, Nisani201 would want to stop all discussion, which he does, which proves his scumminess.
That took an hour and a half to write. Whew. My vote will stay on VisceraEyes today, but tomorrow, I urge all of you to vote for Nisani 201. Thank you, good sirs.
Thing is, this didn't end back then. I'm not really the post by post kind of guy, but most of his contributions have been basically observations and random points. Most of these have been one-liners and other content-free posts.
He pointed out who Sandroba Fos'd after sanroba got shot.
He quoted some posts after Varpulis got shot
He answered some questions.
And then, when the spotlight was again on him his response is.
On July 02 2011 00:59 Sinani201 wrote: Why do people think I'm scum? You've accused me a few times this game, please explain why.
If you're town, then you shouldn't be asking people to explain to you why you're scum. Instead your job is to go out and hunt scum on your own. One of the things I look at when I hunt scum is people who are more focused on themselves than on their targets. Sinani201's response looks that way.
Conclusion
Sinani201 is scum
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##Unvote GMarshal ##Vote Sinani201
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He still hasn't provided any analysis of his own. I would definitely vote for him if youngminii isn't a realistic lynch today
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##Vote Sinani201
OK Palmar, I will sheep you. I have no other leads. not the time to find out. it seems to me that scum are playing "be as pro town as possible" in hopes that they can lay low long enough to swing things back in there favor.
I offer only myself as a alternate lynch. this will be my last post before the end of the day as I have to go back to work. If I am alive by tomorrow, I will be on the lurker list where you can hat/shoot/DT check me. I will try and be as helpful as possible next time Im around ^__^
Good Luck!
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On July 02 2011 04:33 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 03:48 Palmar wrote: incoming announcement, time to get crackin' town.
Waiting on this. I want to now what you got in store ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif)
can you post some content please?
your only post even worth reading is this one:
On July 02 2011 01:24 hiro protagonist wrote:Sup town. longest 2 days of my life.... in retrospect, maybe It was a bad Idea to join a mafia game when I would be organizing a Canadian youth climbing comp lol. So, on to the suspects! Hiro Pro: this guys been scummy as hell. the majority of his post are in the first 2 hours of the game. sense then, he applied some weak pressure, and then voted after a DT flipped, never to return. How he isnt on the lurker list is a huge surprise. Gmarshal: the case on this guy is huge, and I dont need to go over it. My take is he wants to be shot. town wants him to be shot. He should be shot, not lynched. there are better people to lynch today, as to give a Vig another shot tomorrow. if he is not shot tomorrow, then lynch him. Of these 2 suspects: Id vote for Hiro. hell he is martyring himself right now! Wiggles asked some questions Awhile back, So here it goes: My reason for voting Draz was easy. I had just got home from a long day and I was going back to work in 6 hours. when i checked the thread, TAA just died. I went through his post and found this: Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 16:05 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 29 2011 03:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote: (dt check this guy, shoot GM imo)
well, thats that then. ##Vote Drazerk A DT basically said he checked Draz, and then tunneled him. That was enough for me. I had forgot that DT checks did not come in for 12 hours, and I left right after that post. Luck would have it that it was ok ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif) Another thing is people thought my "pressure" of syllo was weak. I would have to agree looking back at it. Something to improve on. I DO still find Syllo scummy though. Im gonna catch up on the thread, and post my thoughts once Im done. Sorry for going AWOL.
wherein you FoS yourself, mis-read the actions of TAA (we have already established by the time that you post this, that TAA likely checked GM, got a green, and was requesting the other DT to check drazerk, not that TAA himself checked drazerk), and admit to playing poorly
so
i mean
you are FoSing yourself (martyring) which we've seen be unsuccessful twice already in this thread... what are you trying to accomplish. why should we NOT lynch you today bro?
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On July 02 2011 04:55 hiro protagonist wrote: ##Vote Sinani201
OK Palmar, I will sheep you. I have no other leads. not the time to find out. it seems to me that scum are playing "be as pro town as possible" in hopes that they can lay low long enough to swing things back in there favor.
I offer only myself as a alternate lynch. this will be my last post before the end of the day as I have to go back to work. If I am alive by tomorrow, I will be on the lurker list where you can hat/shoot/DT check me. I will try and be as helpful as possible next time Im around ^__^
Good Luck!
On July 02 2011 05:01 gtrsrs wrote: can you post some content please?
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EVENT
Chaos13 the Detective has been killed.
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We won't lynch him today because he is almost certainly correct about his presence on tomorrow's lurker tomorrow. If there's no one-shot vigi and thus no lurker shots, we may have to lynch him tomorrow, though given how dire the mafia situation currently is, I find it unlikely he would be so willingly be a target on himself. I should stop assuming mafia is playing well though, given Drazerk's play and their choice of kills.
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Wait, I guess we will lynch VisceraEyes today
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well then do we have 3 detectives or do we lynch viscera today
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also so no one looks over this tomorrow while we've got GMarshal in the frying pan:
>hiro pops in >chaos dies >hiro leaves
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Unless someone with more experience of these setups thinks 3 DTs is even remotely possible. Do remember that that would mean 6(!) lurker checks on day 2.
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