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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 01 2011 19:36 Palmar wrote: 3/6 mafia remaining Drazerk, DropBear and Kenpachi down And yes, Varpulis klled lanaia and kenpachi. no, I meant for today. I know that there are 3 mafioso left. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On July 01 2011 19:38 supersoft wrote: no, I meant for today. I know that there are 3 mafioso left. On July 01 2011 02:04 Kurumi wrote: Just a reminder: KP of Mafia Team is calculated at every beginning of the day, that means today, despite DropBear dying they have total of 3KP to use, the next day though their KP will be reduced to total of 2KP. Already answered in the thread | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 01 2011 19:10 Palmar wrote: By the way, on a completely unrelated note. I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop. Probably town Supersoft (replacement for sinani206) Cthsazsa Mig chaos13 Eiii VisceraEyes Null read gtrsrs Mataza (replaced aprudds) youngminii Jackal58 Vain ~OpZ~ Could be scum GMarshal Hyaach hiro protagonist Sinani201 AKA Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles syllogism This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct. I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist). Such a list is a good approach. I'd add youngmini to the townlist. I just wanted to tunnel him a bit, but I reread his posts and I noticed that he once proposed a plan, realized that this plan sucked and corrected himself afterwards. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 15:58 youngminii wrote: Scratch this, I was operating under the assumption that mafia only had 1KP. I don't know why, complete fail by me. His posting seemed very spontaneous to me and he I think his intention really was to help the town. scum doesn't propose plans spontaneously - they discuss them beforehand. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
I am off to argue with bureaucrats now. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
I've been fairly lenient in terms of what I consider "being around", mainly because it's possible that there is no host around when the PM is sent. Some players can be removed from consideration as they aren't realistic GF candidates or even players who would be sending in mafia kills. Palmar initially wasn't around for the first kill and in fact wasn't initially going to participate, so I don't think he can be the GF, just based on the fact he wouldn't have been elected due to being absent or uncertain to participate. Further, the real time aspect of the game makes it likely the GF is someone who can be around at the time of the day post. The only person who has without a doubt been around every single time is youngminii. Mr. Wiggles has been around at least 4 times and Gmarshal 3. Of course, it's entirely possible to decide on the kills beforehand, but the kills haven't been sent immediately after the day posts and appear at least somewhat reactionary. It's also possible for the GF to be lurking, but generally GF is very active. This isn't damning evidence, but taking into account who the likely GF candidates are in terms of experience, thread activity and finally the known scum team, I think there's a high chance one of above is GF. Youngminii is obviously my pick so far. Oh and I just noticed youngminii actually knew that the game has 4-5 KP and then later "mistakenly" thought mafia has only 1. To be fair, as he pointed out, he is co-hosting Closed Casket mafia, which only has 1. He also was somewhat asking to be DT checked here. Seems odd he wanted possible GF candidates to be checked and included himself. Finally, Dropbear publicly disagreed with youngminii's "case" against me. Some here obviously disagree, but I think the case was really weak and I find it curious Dropbear bothered to adress it even in this length. Could have just been him distancing himself from Youngminii. Oh, and Dropbear was a roleblocker and they both australians, making it easier to coordinate. A lot of WIFOM above, but when combined with my earlier case against youngminii, I think youngminii is a good lynch today. Someone should compile another list of players who were active at the time of the kills to make sure I got it right. Youngminii is GF | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i still think we should hit the sinani that didn't sub out, which i think is sinani201, or GMarshal. the proposed method of dealing with GMarshal seems like it will work fine so to me, sinani201 is the target of choice | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
So, on to the suspects! Hiro Pro: this guys been scummy as hell. the majority of his post are in the first 2 hours of the game. sense then, he applied some weak pressure, and then voted after a DT flipped, never to return. How he isnt on the lurker list is a huge surprise. Gmarshal: the case on this guy is huge, and I dont need to go over it. My take is he wants to be shot. town wants him to be shot. He should be shot, not lynched. there are better people to lynch today, as to give a Vig another shot tomorrow. if he is not shot tomorrow, then lynch him. Of these 2 suspects: Id vote for Hiro. hell he is martyring himself right now! Wiggles asked some questions Awhile back, So here it goes: My reason for voting Draz was easy. I had just got home from a long day and I was going back to work in 6 hours. when i checked the thread, TAA just died. I went through his post and found this: On June 29 2011 16:05 hiro protagonist wrote: well, thats that then. ##Vote Drazerk A DT basically said he checked Draz, and then tunneled him. That was enough for me. I had forgot that DT checks did not come in for 12 hours, and I left right after that post. Luck would have it that it was ok  Another thing is people thought my "pressure" of syllo was weak. I would have to agree looking back at it. Something to improve on. I DO still find Syllo scummy though. Im gonna catch up on the thread, and post my thoughts once Im done. Sorry for going AWOL. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On July 01 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote: So in my analysis of the mechanics I left one thing out, which may be obvious, but it's still something worth considering. I think it's quite likely GF is the one who sends in the kills or at least is around at the time to approve them. Assuming this, we can make a list of players who have been around at the time of the kills and have a reasonably good chance at determining who is GF. + Show Spoiler + I've been fairly lenient in terms of what I consider "being around", mainly because it's possible that there is no host around when the PM is sent. Some players can be removed from consideration as they aren't realistic GF candidates or even players who would be sending in mafia kills. Palmar initially wasn't around for the first kill and in fact wasn't initially going to participate, so I don't think he can be the GF, just based on the fact he wouldn't have been elected due to being absent or uncertain to participate. Further, the real time aspect of the game makes it likely the GF is someone who can be around at the time of the day post. The only person who has without a doubt been around every single time is youngminii. Mr. Wiggles has been around at least 4 times and Gmarshal 3. Of course, it's entirely possible to decide on the kills beforehand, but the kills haven't been sent immediately after the day posts and appear at least somewhat reactionary. It's also possible for the GF to be lurking, but generally GF is very active. This isn't damning evidence, but taking into account who the likely GF candidates are in terms of experience, thread activity and finally the known scum team, I think there's a high chance one of above is GF. Youngminii is obviously my pick so far. Oh and I just noticed youngminii actually knew that the game has 4-5 KP and then later "mistakenly" thought mafia has only 1. To be fair, as he pointed out, he is co-hosting Closed Casket mafia, which only has 1. He also was somewhat asking to be DT checked here. Seems odd he wanted possible GF candidates to be checked and included himself. Finally, Dropbear publicly disagreed with youngminii's "case" against me. Some here obviously disagree, but I think the case was really weak and I find it curious Dropbear bothered to adress it even in this length. Could have just been him distancing himself from Youngminii. Oh, and Dropbear was a roleblocker and they both australians, making it easier to coordinate. A lot of WIFOM above, but when combined with my earlier case against youngminii, I think youngminii is a good lynch today. Someone should compile another list of players who were active at the time of the kills to make sure I got it right. Youngminii is GF You assume too much. Trust me on this, I assume a lot of stuff. Also I had the opportunity to read the scum quicktopics after most games I played. It is very likely that every single scum member has the right to send in a kill. If they look out for something specific, they probably have talked about guidelines when to jump in immediately. So every scum should be able to make "right" decisions. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
It´s not like someone chooses his team or something. Players are randomed into town and scum. Unless random number generators favor australians I don´t think this tidbit has any relevance. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Did I understand right that you are more or less new on TL Mafia? (Do not want to belittle you, this is like my 5th game or so, so I´m new too) | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Oh and Palmar, don't make lists like this On July 01 2011 19:10 Palmar wrote: By the way, on a completely unrelated note. I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop. Probably town Supersoft (replacement for sinani206) Cthsazsa Mig chaos13 Eiii VisceraEyes Null read gtrsrs Mataza (replaced aprudds) youngminii Jackal58 Vain ~OpZ~ Could be scum GMarshal Hyaach hiro protagonist Sinani201 AKA Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles syllogism This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct. I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist). Unless you provide reasoning for each name you put on it. A list like this is simply a nothing post, but when you explain why, it becomes a valuable resource for determining your alignment. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 02 2011 02:32 chaos13 wrote: A case is made against youngminii and suddenly a few players go from the calm discussion we had before to frantic. I've had my eye on youngminii ever since the beginning of the game, and I see no reason why syllo's logic would be flawed. wondering where you picked up on a frantic tone?!!?!?!??!? can you point out which posts are frantic?????? (extra !'s and ?'s added for humor, not emphasis (but my question does stand)) | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On July 02 2011 02:37 gtrsrs wrote: wondering where you picked up on a frantic tone?!!?!?!??!? can you point out which posts are frantic?????? (extra !'s and ?'s added for humor, not emphasis (but my question does stand)) As soon as that case is posted you say things like this: On July 02 2011 00:51 gtrsrs wrote: i don't think youngmini is a good lynch at all i still think we should hit the sinani that didn't sub out, which i think is sinani201, or GMarshal. the proposed method of dealing with GMarshal seems like it will work fine so to me, sinani201 is the target of choice You provide no reasoning as for why you don't think we should lynch YM. Then you suggest another target, but don't explain why again. On July 02 2011 00:52 gtrsrs wrote: and actually the case against hiro is pretty decent so i'd be willing to throw down a hiro vote Then you post this. Not "I think he's scummy", but "It's a good case", and you don't provide anything further on it. So as soon as your godfather is threatened you frantically try to deflect attention away from him. You don't provide any explanation as to why you don't think YM is a good lynch, and you don't provide an explanation for the candidates you would comfortable with lynching over YM. | ||
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