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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:12 GMT
#1101
There is another problem with having to hang GMarshal. The reason the first day was so productive is that we had clearly defined goals and a great contention of targets to argue back and forth on. Hanging GMarshal seems so far almost something that people will unanimously agree one, which means a good chunk of discussion is going to be lost in the progress.

Very few alternative lynches are being pushed at the moment.

In any case, if there are no shots later today, then this entire thing will only be about lynching GMarshal, which will always be far less productive than our day 1.
Computer says mafia
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 01 2011 09:14 GMT
#1102
On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.

Great job Varpulis.

About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.

But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.

It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.

I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?

But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.

Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.


Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.

Or you can waste a lynch.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 09:17 GMT
#1103
Actually that's a decent plan
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 09:18 GMT
#1104
Especially since by now it will be clear whether there is one or two compulsive vigis (two is very unlikely anyway)
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 09:19 GMT
#1105
EBWOP: err by tomorrow
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:19 GMT
#1106
On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.

Great job Varpulis.

About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.

But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.

It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.

I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?

But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.

Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.


Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.

Or you can waste a lynch.


That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you.

It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot.

And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 09:20 GMT
#1107
No, the comp vigi does not have to reveal as he can just shoot GMarshal on d4. Actually even revealing himself to lynch red at this point wouldn't be a bad alternative
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 01 2011 09:22 GMT
#1108
On July 01 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote:
On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.

Great job Varpulis.

About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.

But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.

It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.

I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?

But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.

Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.


Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.

Or you can waste a lynch.


That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you.

It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot.

And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time.

Comp vig dosn't have to claim...

He shoots me, I get notified and claim it.

If I lie about taking a hit then the comp vig knows Im scum and blows my head off.

If I dont get my head blown off I'm telling the truth.

Where does the vig claim?
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 01 2011 09:22 GMT
#1109
On July 01 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote:
On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.

Great job Varpulis.

About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.

But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.

It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.

I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?

But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.

Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.


Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.

Or you can waste a lynch.


That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you.

It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot.

And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time.


the vig doesn't have to confirm him. He just has to shoot him if he hasn't shot him yet by the time he claims to be shot. If GM survives the next day, he's innocent.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:24 GMT
#1110
On July 01 2011 18:20 syllogism wrote:
No, the comp vigi does not have to reveal as he can just shoot GMarshal on d4. Actually even revealing himself to lynch red at this point wouldn't be a bad alternative


hmm

yeah sure, assuming there are no other kills tomorrow by town, we can assume the comp vigi shot went towards GMarshal

I'd dig this because I really would prefer discussing other lynch targets.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:24 GMT
#1111
On July 01 2011 18:22 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote:
On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.

Great job Varpulis.

About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.

But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.

It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.

I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?

But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.

Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.


Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.

Or you can waste a lynch.


That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you.

It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot.

And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time.

Comp vig dosn't have to claim...

He shoots me, I get notified and claim it.

If I lie about taking a hit then the comp vig knows Im scum and blows my head off.

If I dont get my head blown off I'm telling the truth.

Where does the vig claim?


yep, you're right.

I dig this plan, I think. will post a bigger post later.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 09:27 GMT
#1112
The only way this plan can go wrong is if there is no compulsive vigi, but we will likely also know that by the end of the day 3. If there is a compulsive vigi, GM is guaranteed to either die tomorrow or be confirmed town
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 09:36 GMT
#1113
So that we can be certain that there isn't more than one compulsive vigi, if there's still a one-shot vigi left, only shoot at the lurker list today
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:41 GMT
#1114
So, let's have a look at this situation.

Pro factors:

We get a much healthier lynch discussion.
We don't risk lynching a very strong player based on some random mistakes.
Worst case, we kill a strong mafia player, best case, we get a semi-confirmed strong town player.

Con factors:

I still think GM is scum.
We tie the hands of an otherwise seemingly great compulsive vigilante.
If GM is scum, we're only hunting 2 mafia in a pool of 20 players.
Quickly ending the whole GM thing casts some extra light on our current situation.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:44 GMT
#1115
And here is another scenario that'd suck massively:

We mislynch tonight and GM is scum

That'd mean we had the chance to reduce mafia KP to 1, but since we let GM live, we're giving them an extra kill.

Like, this is assuming a ton of things, but it would suck.
Computer says mafia
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 01 2011 09:48 GMT
#1116
On July 01 2011 18:44 Palmar wrote:
And here is another scenario that'd suck massively:

We mislynch tonight and GM is scum

That'd mean we had the chance to reduce mafia KP to 1, but since we let GM live, we're giving them an extra kill.

Like, this is assuming a ton of things, but it would suck.


If GM is scum, that's what most likely is going to happen. I mean there would be only 2 mafia besides GM left.
But I don't think GM is mafia... his plan is far too risky if he's mafia...
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 09:52 GMT
#1117
And in any case, a good work atmosphere probably weighs out the chance of an extra town kill tomorrow.

I'm willing to support an alternative lynch tonight.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 10:10 GMT
#1118
By the way, on a completely unrelated note.

I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop.

Probably town

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Could be scum

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syllogism

This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct.

I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist).
Computer says mafia
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 01 2011 10:35 GMT
#1119
Am I right? Varpulis killed Lanaia and Kenpachi with his bombs. Consequently mafia has one KP left?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 01 2011 10:36 GMT
#1120
On July 01 2011 19:35 supersoft wrote:
Am I right? Varpulis killed Lanaia and Kenpachi with his bombs. Consequently mafia has one KP left?


3/6 mafia remaining

Drazerk, DropBear and Kenpachi down

And yes, Varpulis klled lanaia and kenpachi.
Computer says mafia
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