EPTVery few alternative lynches are being pushed at the moment.
In any case, if there are no shots later today, then this entire thing will only be about lynching GMarshal, which will always be far less productive than our day 1.
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Palmar
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Very few alternative lynches are being pushed at the moment. In any case, if there are no shots later today, then this entire thing will only be about lynching GMarshal, which will always be far less productive than our day 1. | ||
GMarshal
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On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote: I agree with almost everything that has been said so far. Great job Varpulis. About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player. But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things. It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang. I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes? But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track. Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything. Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die. Or you can waste a lynch. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote: Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die. Or you can waste a lynch. That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you. It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot. And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time. | ||
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GMarshal
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On July 01 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote: That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you. It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot. And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time. Comp vig dosn't have to claim... He shoots me, I get notified and claim it. If I lie about taking a hit then the comp vig knows Im scum and blows my head off. If I dont get my head blown off I'm telling the truth. Where does the vig claim? | ||
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supersoft
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On July 01 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote: That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you. It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot. And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time. the vig doesn't have to confirm him. He just has to shoot him if he hasn't shot him yet by the time he claims to be shot. If GM survives the next day, he's innocent. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 01 2011 18:20 syllogism wrote: No, the comp vigi does not have to reveal as he can just shoot GMarshal on d4. Actually even revealing himself to lynch red at this point wouldn't be a bad alternative hmm yeah sure, assuming there are no other kills tomorrow by town, we can assume the comp vigi shot went towards GMarshal I'd dig this because I really would prefer discussing other lynch targets. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 01 2011 18:22 GMarshal wrote: Comp vig dosn't have to claim... He shoots me, I get notified and claim it. If I lie about taking a hit then the comp vig knows Im scum and blows my head off. If I dont get my head blown off I'm telling the truth. Where does the vig claim? yep, you're right. I dig this plan, I think. will post a bigger post later. | ||
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Pro factors: We get a much healthier lynch discussion. We don't risk lynching a very strong player based on some random mistakes. Worst case, we kill a strong mafia player, best case, we get a semi-confirmed strong town player. Con factors: I still think GM is scum. We tie the hands of an otherwise seemingly great compulsive vigilante. If GM is scum, we're only hunting 2 mafia in a pool of 20 players. Quickly ending the whole GM thing casts some extra light on our current situation. | ||
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Palmar
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We mislynch tonight and GM is scum That'd mean we had the chance to reduce mafia KP to 1, but since we let GM live, we're giving them an extra kill. Like, this is assuming a ton of things, but it would suck. | ||
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On July 01 2011 18:44 Palmar wrote: And here is another scenario that'd suck massively: We mislynch tonight and GM is scum That'd mean we had the chance to reduce mafia KP to 1, but since we let GM live, we're giving them an extra kill. Like, this is assuming a ton of things, but it would suck. If GM is scum, that's what most likely is going to happen. I mean there would be only 2 mafia besides GM left. But I don't think GM is mafia... his plan is far too risky if he's mafia... | ||
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I'm willing to support an alternative lynch tonight. | ||
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I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop. Probably town Supersoft (replacement for sinani206) Cthsazsa Mig chaos13 Eiii VisceraEyes Null read gtrsrs Mataza (replaced aprudds) youngminii Jackal58 Vain ~OpZ~ Could be scum GMarshal Hyaach hiro protagonist Sinani201 AKA Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles syllogism This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct. I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist). | ||
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On July 01 2011 19:35 supersoft wrote: Am I right? Varpulis killed Lanaia and Kenpachi with his bombs. Consequently mafia has one KP left? 3/6 mafia remaining Drazerk, DropBear and Kenpachi down And yes, Varpulis klled lanaia and kenpachi. | ||
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