I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
/Rant Over
User was temp banned for this post.
I know how you feel man, but it is what it is. We can only hope at this point
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
/Rant Over
User was temp banned for this post.
Don't know why he was banned.. he's stating facts.
MKP is a huge loss...... Just for example... If doublelift ever left League for another game. Doublelift is the most popular player in NA... one of the most popular players in the world bar none... and he has not won anything LOL. He's my fav player just like MKP.
I watched his last SC 2 match, when he lost the game that he should of won after a failed rush. MKP will always be SC2 even if he does great things in League to me....
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
/Rant Over
User was temp banned for this post.
I don't know why people who write decent rants attempt to ruin it by calling out to mods that temp banning said rant is ok/useless/doesnt matter/im expressing my view and some facts here.
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
/Rant Over
User was temp banned for this post.
Don't know why he was banned.. he's stating facts.
MKP is a huge loss...... Just for example... If doublelift ever left League for another game. Doublelift is the most popular player in NA... one of the most popular players in the world bar none... and he has not won anything LOL. He's my fav player just like MKP.
I watched his last SC 2 match, when he lost the game that he should of won after a failed rush. MKP will always be SC2 even if he does great things in League to me....
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
/Rant Over
User was temp banned for this post.
Don't know why he was banned.. he's stating facts.
MKP is a huge loss...... Just for example... If doublelift ever left League for another game. Doublelift is the most popular player in NA... one of the most popular players in the world bar none... and he has not won anything LOL. He's my fav player just like MKP.
I watched his last SC 2 match, when he lost the game that he should of won after a failed rush. MKP will always be SC2 even if he does great things in League to me....
Martyring (saying "ban me") results in a ban 100% of the time. Doesn't matter how good or amazing the post is. Unfortunate, but rules are rules.
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
/Rant Over
User was temp banned for this post.
Don't know why he was banned.. he's stating facts.
MKP is a huge loss...... Just for example... If doublelift ever left League for another game. Doublelift is the most popular player in NA... one of the most popular players in the world bar none... and he has not won anything LOL. He's my fav player just like MKP.
I watched his last SC 2 match, when he lost the game that he should of won after a failed rush. MKP will always be SC2 even if he does great things in League to me....
He said I hope I don't get banned for this and it's a auto ban on teamliquid. On Topic: GL HF in LoL MKP I will follow you wherever you go
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
On October 12 2013 13:51 Smigi wrote: I've played broodwar for 5 years being C+ on iccup, and played starcraft 2 for 3 years while then being a masters player. I am now pursuing a Doctorate program, so I've quit the past year to focus on that, but still follow SC2 religiously. I usually never post, but I'll post on this one.
Lack of social aspect in the community. The experience of SC2 is very cold, even for the beginner. You play a ladder match, and you get bad mannered or mocked for being of lesser skill. You leave ladder game, thats it. There is minimal interaction between casual gamers. The channel sytem and BNET 2.0 is comical to say the least. So the casual gamer gets frustrated with a game that is harder to pick up as opposed to others, as a community during ladder games we are for the most part disrespectful toward them (calling them noobs ect.), and they are left with a channel/bnet system that does not promote social activity. And we are really asking why SC2 is losing some popularity?
Casual gamers are what gives a game its popularity, they are responsible for high views, and ultimately responsible for more tournaments with higher prizes. Casual gamers want to buy the same mouse or keyboard that Jaedong has or MKP has, casual gamers are the ones who make up the bulk of twitch.tv views, casual gamers make up the bulk of audiences at tournaments around the world. What do we do as a community? We bad mouth them for their lesser amount of skill, we charge them 100 dollars an hour for lessons, we give them a BNET system with a laughable social integration, we charge them HD subscriptions to watch GOM.TV in a decent quality, and we ban them on TeamLiquid for making a post that might be slightly misinformed or having an opinion that is unpopular. Then we sit here and ask why this game is losing popularity? We treat people like trash for the MOST part. Stop claiming we are a community and starting ACTING like we are a community.
If I am temp banned for expressing my feelings in a mature and constructive way, it only speaks to what I'm trying to communicate here.
Probably the only retirement of the mass retirements of the last half year that have really made me a bit sad. Well I guess Stephano as well, as he was a unique character in the scene, but MarineKing was the guy that really got me into watching pro sc2 matches. A friend linked me to "BoxeR" vs kyrix vods and i was in awe with the godly micro he showed and never stopped watching the GSL ever since
I just watched BoxeR vs Kyrix again. He was already so amazing and doing builds that still somewhat exist today that no one thought possible. And that micro, man... This particular retirement hurts :/
On October 12 2013 11:23 plogamer wrote: SC2 is still the best e-sports title, but not as appreciated by the masses. It's the pinnacle of individual prowess in all fields.
Take LoL or Dota, both titles take individual prowess of certain magnitute, but at the same time the load is divided by roles. There's the offence role for gankers, carries, pushers. There's the defensive role for supports and controllers. And so and so forth.
In SC2, you are your team captain (ie. no master strategist giving orders, reading enemy movements, etc.), you are your own offence and defense. And you are your own WORST ENEMY. Dun dun dunnnnnn. It is a struggle within as much as it is a struggle with out.
Okay, enough fanboyism. This isn't a bash. But SC2 is the most taxing e-sports title on an individual. I played shit tons of it and stopped because it was such a huge time-sink. Easier to commit the avg. 30 mins game of mine despite the harder gameplay.
The following interview is A) hilarious, B) refreshingly honest.
It's like saying Tennis is the best sports, and football, soccer, hockey are not since the load is divided by roles...
Every sports/esports requires different skillset, just because your excel skills is for SC2 but not LoL/Dota2 doesn't mean those games are worse than SC2.
but BW and SC2 are definitive.
i agree, football is often more fun to watch than individual sports. but it's not as visceral as putting two gladiators in an empty stadium, and only the winner gets to walk out. one on one, no rules, nothing fancy, just kill each other.
On October 12 2013 11:23 plogamer wrote: SC2 is still the best e-sports title, but not as appreciated by the masses. It's the pinnacle of individual prowess in all fields.
Take LoL or Dota, both titles take individual prowess of certain magnitute, but at the same time the load is divided by roles. There's the offence role for gankers, carries, pushers. There's the defensive role for supports and controllers. And so and so forth.
In SC2, you are your team captain (ie. no master strategist giving orders, reading enemy movements, etc.), you are your own offence and defense. And you are your own WORST ENEMY. Dun dun dunnnnnn. It is a struggle within as much as it is a struggle with out.
Okay, enough fanboyism. This isn't a bash. But SC2 is the most taxing e-sports title on an individual. I played shit tons of it and stopped because it was such a huge time-sink. Easier to commit the avg. 30 mins game of mine despite the harder gameplay.
The following interview is A) hilarious, B) refreshingly honest.
On October 12 2013 11:23 plogamer wrote: SC2 is still the best e-sports title, but not as appreciated by the masses. It's the pinnacle of individual prowess in all fields.
Take LoL or Dota, both titles take individual prowess of certain magnitute, but at the same time the load is divided by roles. There's the offence role for gankers, carries, pushers. There's the defensive role for supports and controllers. And so and so forth.
In SC2, you are your team captain (ie. no master strategist giving orders, reading enemy movements, etc.), you are your own offence and defense. And you are your own WORST ENEMY. Dun dun dunnnnnn. It is a struggle within as much as it is a struggle with out.
Okay, enough fanboyism. This isn't a bash. But SC2 is the most taxing e-sports title on an individual. I played shit tons of it and stopped because it was such a huge time-sink. Easier to commit the avg. 30 mins game of mine despite the harder gameplay.
The following interview is A) hilarious, B) refreshingly honest.
Thus, I officially quit SC2 myself. Many of my favorite players have left the scene and it is just too difficult to play Terran at a high level in comparison to Zerg and Protoss. I'm not talking balance, I'm talking mechanical skill and effort required to come out on top in macro and micro. It really seems like the "best" players have their run for about a year to 2 years max, then they become a no-name in the scene again. GG, SC2. It's been fun.
EPT
Give that guy his BC icon on tl forums plz or do we need to organise a kickstarter
