Match-Fixing Scandal - Conclusion - Page 45

On May 19 2010 21:27 Zato-1 wrote:

That's a better reason to suspect him than a hunch, but I believe you're still fairly alone in suspecting him. If I've learned anything in this thread, it's that you should be careful with what you throw out there in a sensitive issue such as this one.

On May 19 2010 21:43 kawatan wrote:


with leta so close to type-b, gogo, yarnc, lux, and upmagic - i mean c'mon. you can't be that close to a shit pile and not smell the stink.

On May 19 2010 21:53 Zato-1 wrote:

He may have suspected or even known about the issue, but that doesn't mean he participated himself. Saying he was involved personally is nothing but wild speculation at this point.

On May 19 2010 22:15 kawatan wrote:
well he may be an enabler and an accessory to the fact. knowledge of the crime makes the accessory a douchebag as well. while he's not a suspect, he certainly is a person of interest.

just to clear things up i didn't say he participated nor did i say he was involved personally or even suspect that he did anything. i said: i have a strong feeling. please... read. participate, personal involvement and suspect are such strong words. methinks you're trying to put words in my keyboard.

On May 19 2010 21:55 Polar_Bear wrote:
To sum it up:
-there are people with "different moral values" there always have been people with dmv and there always will be people with dmv
-everyone is surprised now, so most people were aware that thing like this can happen
-a few players already apologized, some more will follow

One aspect of this whole story is overlooked completely:
Could it be, that commercial betting is a part of this problem?
Nobody in this thread even questions why people essentially throw away their money.
I never betted on anything except with my friends on a football game in a bar, where the bet was like 2 beers each time.
With online betting you can only lose money IN THE LONG RUN, even if your guesses are extremely good, the odds are simply to bad. Your state of information has to be that far above the others, that you can't win without "knowing" the results.
When will this shit stop?

On May 17 2010 20:25 Roffles wrote:

Savior, aka Roll-Ex, was a 4 time Starleague winner and no doubt the best player of his era.

Later turned out to be a complete scumbag.

On May 20 2010 01:54 bigboss025 wrote:
Sorry but I am a bit confuse, did Savior really saved pratice video and showed it to their teammates' opponents aka sellout his teammates ? cuz that coach Cho' box thing is fake right ?

On May 20 2010 01:34 LunarDestiny wrote:
Wait. Go.Go was involved. Then what would happened to Nalra's Old Boy Series?

On May 20 2010 03:07 s.a.y wrote:
We will probably see Luxury and others playing SC2 very soon.

On May 20 2010 03:54 JinMaikeul wrote:
If you've followed professional Starcraft on any level, you would have known that certain games were thrown even before all of this happened. Games were regularly thrown to avoid facing teammates or avoid facing certain bracket positions. It's happened at WCG, GomTV Invitational, and on one level or another just about any tournament where you can strategically navigate your path through the brackets to best suit your tastes. And yes, for the most part it's been tolerated. Nobody called a player throwing a game to avoid playing JD, "the scum of the earth". Nobody felt that Hwasin and Calm should have been thrown in jail for agreeing to let Hwasin win and splitting the prize money half and half.

All of a sudden now that it's in the media and people are making a big deal of it, there are people saying these people should be burned at the stake when we all already knew that it was going on to a certain extent anyway. Of course, the illegal gambling part does make it a bit worse, but a fixed game is a fixed game regardless of the reason. The only person the illegal gambling part of it affects are the people who lose money gambling. The whole sportsmanship thing goes out the window when someone throws a game to avoid a certain bracket position too or if someone purposely loses a game to avoid playing his teammate next. The fans are equally cheated in these instances even without money being involved.

The truth is there's nothing here to make such a huge deal about. The fans got their games and if they didn't know about this, nobody would have thought twice about it. There's also no guarantee that the games would have been any better or worse had they not been fixed. Personally, I haven't lost anything here and I'm just going to continue to watch. If you're going to complain about the loss of integrity, I would argue that there's no reason to stop watching because of that since due to these events, there's probably more integrity in this game today than there was a year ago anyway.

So what's the big deal again? It's not the end of the world, these people aren't the spawn of Satan, and let's all be sensible enough to admit that most of us didn't lose anything here that we didn't already lose in other instances of game throwing that we didn't get all up in arms about...