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geript
10024 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Please.....please tell me you did so if I had stick with my original choice ([2,2]) I would at least have clashed with you and gotten 7-9....and not just gotten 2nd place and be 100% able to pick inventor basically. On April 05 2013 15:20 Keirathi wrote: Justice Vigilante (Unless you are just a 100% master scumhunter never wrong, don't pick this). Guess I know what role I'm picking then  Anyways, I'm not against using KP. Right now there are people you don't want to shoot at all basically (town reads or active people), and then guys you are free to shoot. I wouldn't mind everybody shooting the guys you are free to shoot and leave the guys you don't shoot alive, either single handily winning us the game, or putting us very very closer to doing so. For instance, anybody is free to shoot Caller if he plays like this until N1. You can figure out the rest of that list, you guys are not dumb. D1 will give people a better idea of where to go and stuff. Also it'd be chaos to enforce Snoman, do you have an idea why nobody tried to get you off #1 place? Any suggestions? Can I shoot you 10 minutes into D1 if you answer incorrectly? Also, damn VE you try to be scum on purpose man? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I might just pick a KP role and instalkill someone for the hell of it. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:19 gonzaw wrote: Anyways, I'm not against using KP. Right now there are people you don't want to shoot at all basically (town reads or active people), and then guys you are free to shoot. I wouldn't mind everybody shooting the guys you are free to shoot and leave the guys you don't shoot alive, either single handily winning us the game, or putting us very very closer to doing so. For instance, anybody is free to shoot Caller if he plays like this until N1. You can figure out the rest of that list, you guys are not dumb. D1 will give people a better idea of where to go and stuff. Also it'd be chaos to enforce So your advice is "townies kill of bad players, while scum kill off the good ones"? I don't even.... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:35 Keirathi wrote: So your advice is "townies kill of bad players, while scum kill off the good ones"? I don't even.... "I wouldn't mind X" =/= "I advice X" Also scum has 1 KP, and if every townie takes away every KP from scum, they'll keep having 1 KP. The rate at which good townies die will be less than the ones in which scum+bad townies die. It just adds some variance depending on who gets the KP, how they play, and how town in general is playing. If we just play "well" there'll be no problems, thus being unnecessary to enforce any policy (which would be un-enforceable). | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:43 gonzaw wrote: If we just play "well" there'll be no problems, thus being unnecessary to enforce any policy (which would be un-enforceable). This is part of the problem. I've just stopped expecting people to play 'well' when given KP at their disposal. Hell, you were in Themed Mini. I know you were scum, so it worked out for you fine, but look at all the KP roles town had compared to the amount of protection/investigation roles they had. That game went HORRIBLY for town because of it. We even had this discussion in post-game :o And you're right, if someone picks Vigilante and shoots a townie, we have no way to even know who the shot came from to enforce a policy. But I was specifically talking about a role like America where the shot is 100% public knowledge. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
rather than work off some vague strategy that will fall apart in the first 5 minutes anyways. Seriously, though, TOWNIES SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO DIE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN KILL SCUM. The best way for town to play this is simple. Fucking randomize everything. Free for all. Mafia has never been about the roles, its always been around killing the fucking scum and not leaking all of our blues. Its almost inevitable that mafia will end up with at least another KP anyways, and even if they don't, you assume they will. Operating on that principal, instead of trying to stop them from doing something they'll do anyways, we prepare enough weapons to stop them. This is what we call asymmetric information. So what if mafia get all the shooty roles, we'll find that out very quickly, and there are DOZENS of roles that let us return fire. anybody that wants to waste town's time planning instead of scumhunting is either stupid town or scum. But scum will never back another scum's plan. They will, however, back other people's plans, or maybe lightly criticize them without wanting to expose themselves too far. Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum. As for Yamato, I'm actually leaning towards a third-party role given some of his posts, possibly survivor. Or he's townie. But Oats is still scummy as fuck for the same reasons I give for Keirathi above. thats all ze~ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea. What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. Is it just me or what. I think this is incredibly stupid idea. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:57 Caller wrote: Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum. Rofl, okay Caller. And how, exactly, is that different from what a townie would do? Are townies never helpful? Do townies not discuss the setup? Do townies not criticize bullshit plans? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:00 Keirathi wrote: Rofl, okay Caller. And how, exactly, is that different from what a townie would do? Are townies never helpful? Do townies not discuss the setup? Do townies not criticize bullshit plans? they do, but they also scumhunt. you haven't even tried to scumhunt. Townies especially don't just pontificate about the setup and try to "win arguments" like your post history shows. due to laziness i'm would rather not bother dissecting it on a case by case basis for the proles, but i will if i have to. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:21 Palmar wrote: Are people seriously discussing killing people who use KP on townies? I might just pick a KP role and instalkill someone for the hell of it. I thought you weren't reading the thread, Palmy? Why so scum, bro? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
And I also like Caller's pursuit of Keirathi, I agree with a lot of the stuff he's saying. I do want to put a gun to sinani's head, because in RTP, when I was scum with him, his filter early on was very similar to this one. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:03 Caller wrote: they do, but they also scumhunt. you haven't even tried to scumhunt. Townies especially don't just pontificate about the setup and try to "win arguments" like your post history shows. due to laziness i'm would rather not bother dissecting it on a case by case basis for the proles, but i will if i have to. You are right about one thing in this paragraph. I haven't been scumhunting (except for calling rayn out a bit). But, policy talk is the easiest thing in the world for mafia to participate in. Hell, they don't even have to have opinions. But really, over half of the thread hasn't been scumhunting, so why me and not, say, Palmar? deconduo? VE? I can keep listing people, but this conversation is pointless. Where have been trying to "win arguments" though? Because that is the complete opposite of what I have been doing. I've been trying to make my opinion heard, but I haven't been forcing my opinion anywhere. So yea, you're case basically boils down to "he's being too nice". Okay then. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:22 Keirathi wrote: You are right about one thing in this paragraph. I haven't been scumhunting (except for calling rayn out a bit). But, policy talk is the easiest thing in the world for mafia to participate in. Hell, they don't even have to have opinions. But really, over half of the thread hasn't been scumhunting, so why me and not, say, Palmar? deconduo? VE? I can keep listing people, but this conversation is pointless. Where have been trying to "win arguments" though? Because that is the complete opposite of what I have been doing. I've been trying to make my opinion heard, but I haven't been forcing my opinion anywhere. So yea, you're case basically boils down to "he's being too nice". Okay then. That bolded sentence is the definition of textbook mafia early play. The rest of your argument isn't even one, you basically admit all my points are right, you ad hominem a few, and you ask what about x, y, and z. unfortunately, x, y, and z haven't done all the things you've done together. get'em, etc. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
He's acting a little dickish I guess though (unlike the others I mentioned), which sets him apart from them a little bit in terms of behaviour, but just makes him null at worst Anyways, right now I call back the "feel free to shoot Caller" tid-bit (Caller seems to be putting quite a lot of effort for how much he "trolls"). and instead put "feel free to kill Sno-man" It was good enough for Mattchew to catch scum 1 minute into D1 last game, it can be good enough here, specially if Sno does shit all this game and has few forgetful intranscendental posts. Wisdom: WIFOM party though, considering that exact reason was stated before the draft phase ended. However, considering that by having a scumbuddy pick [1,1] too outs that 2nd guy (when everybody claims draft numbers) and takes Sno out from #1 spot, it's WIFOM worthy to take into account Scenario: Sno claimed pre-game he'd pick [1,1] and intentionally crashing with him would hinder scum too much, out one of them, and maybe still have Sno under pressure. Therefore just keep him at #1 so he can pick CPR Doctor/Janitor and maybe brush off the fact for WIFOM. Fact: I'm the only person in the whole game that brought up the "Mattchew foolproof method for finding scum" tid-bit against Sno after the draft phase was over. Not even scum mentioned it (I skimmed some of the post so this could be wrong though) On April 06 2013 03:19 yamato77 wrote: I'm actually starting to agree with you on Vivax, Oats. And I also like Caller's pursuit of Keirathi, I agree with a lot of the stuff he's saying. I do want to put a gun to sinani's head, because in RTP, when I was scum with him, his filter early on was very similar to this one. Wisdom: Sinani gets misslynched A LOT I gather. Tread carefully here my son, I don't really see sinani playing unlike what he'd play as "misslyncb bait" town. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:26 Caller wrote: That bolded sentence is the definition of textbook mafia early play. The rest of your argument isn't even one, you basically admit all my points are right, you ad hominem a few, and you ask what about x, y, and z. unfortunately, x, y, and z haven't done all the things you've done together. get'em, etc. That doesn't make sense. YOU were the one that claimed I was trying to win arguments. Show me where. Quit backtracking. | ||
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