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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#61
On May 20 2010 21:44 Scaramanga wrote:
Romad if player x > player y dose this automaticly make player x better overall? So by your logic snow and effort are the best players in the world because they beat flash? You cant just say because JD is better than flash in two finals and as flash has been the best for the last 6 months, JD is now the greatest player in the world. Yes JD > Flash head to head but overall Flash is still better


c'mon. I don't really wanna jump into this discussion.
but comparing bo1's to two consecutive bo5's in a SL final is kinda stupid, isn't it?
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#62
Guys, please be aware that there are two arguments going on here and people seem to talking past eachother. The original point was about who the best player of the season is (since JD thought the MSL finals would determine it).

The discussion about whether JD has been a better player overall throughout his entire career is completely separate....
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
May 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#63
At this point I almost wish Flash would lose both finals just so Flash fans can finally stfu. Well almost, I still love the guy.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
May 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#64
On May 20 2010 21:49 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 21:44 Scaramanga wrote:
Romad if player x > player y dose this automaticly make player x better overall? So by your logic snow and effort are the best players in the world because they beat flash? You cant just say because JD is better than flash in two finals and as flash has been the best for the last 6 months, JD is now the greatest player in the world. Yes JD > Flash head to head but overall Flash is still better


But JD have more titles by far, does that not make JD better than flash by you logic, that he is better overall. And then comes ALSO the fact that JD beats flash in every BO5 so far, so he is actually not just better overall, but he beats him on the big stages as well.

Overall in the past two seasons, have you been reading the thread?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
May 20 2010 12:53 GMT
#65
this argument is going nowhere
lets just try and figure out what makes a player to be the best
is it best winning records ? success in long term or short term
or just his odds in winning in a bo5 (the reason of a bo5 vs a bo1 is obvious - any pro can win vs any pro given enough games , hell even nal ra won flash granted nal ra rocks but lets be real )
if its by the bo5 standards cant see anyone disagreeing on jaedong
if its by the win rate - its flash i'll be the first to agree
long term success- jaedong
short term - flash
it all depends on what you consider the most important fact to conclude "best player"
since my tag is oz i'll stick to bo5 odds and long term success i'll let the kt flash guys to pick the other 2 may we have a great finals with no black outs
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 20 2010 12:56 GMT
#66
The answer is it can't really be settled since Flash has not had the same prerequisites for the finals.

but as romad said, lets just agree to disagree and look forward to a great finals.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 12:59:16
May 20 2010 12:58 GMT
#67
On May 20 2010 21:53 pvzvt wrote:
this argument is going nowhere
lets just try and figure out what makes a player to be the best
is it best winning records ? success in long term or short term
or just his odds in winning in a bo5 (the reason of a bo5 vs a bo1 is obvious - any pro can win vs any pro given enough games , hell even nal ra won flash granted nal ra rocks but lets be real )
if its by the bo5 standards cant see anyone disagreeing on jaedong
if its by the win rate - its flash i'll be the first to agree
long term success- jaedong
short term - flash
it all depends on what you consider the most important fact to conclude "best player"
since my tag is oz i'll stick to bo5 odds and long term success i'll let the kt flash guys to pick the other 2 may we have a great finals with no black outs

I've been arguing that Flash is better than JD over the past two seasons and in the past two seasons flash has been the best in the world unquestionablely. His elo is insane, his winrate is insane, he's made both finals in both seasons, hes got a better boX record
In carrers JD is better i'm not disputing that
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
May 20 2010 12:59 GMT
#68
Flash will lose both finals. You heard it here first
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
May 20 2010 13:00 GMT
#69
On May 20 2010 21:59 Art.FeeL wrote:
Flash will lose both finals. You heard it here first

Amen!!
its long due for effort to have a medal
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 20 2010 13:01 GMT
#70
I dunno, my money's on power outage to repeat.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
May 20 2010 13:02 GMT
#71
I'm wondering how people will react if Flash loses to Effort and then beats Jaedong 3-0.

Least likely scenario, but what if it happens?

There will be riots everywhere... >_>
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
May 20 2010 13:04 GMT
#72
On May 20 2010 22:02 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I'm wondering how people will react if Flash loses to Effort and then beats Jaedong 3-0.

Least likely scenario, but what if it happens?

There will be riots everywhere... >_>


Meh, Flash won't hold back in the OSL final. Golden Mouse is his primary objective.

But I would love it if it happens. I am a drama freak.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
May 20 2010 13:05 GMT
#73
I wonder what happens if flash wins 3-0 in both finals, i wonder overall who the better player would be then?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 13:09:14
May 20 2010 13:08 GMT
#74
Its pretty sweet that the MSL basically gets a do-over. But I for one will root for (T)PowerOutage.
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
May 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#75
On May 20 2010 22:05 Scaramanga wrote:
I wonder what happens if flash wins 3-0 in both finals, i wonder overall who the better player would be then?


flash is the favorite but 3-0 in both is pretty unlikely

anyways, the OSL will definitely heavily affect the results of MSL

if flash loses or barely wins the OSL, it may affect his confident greatly in the MSL, whereas if flash 3-0's effort, flash will enter the MSL with a really good mindset.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
May 20 2010 13:17 GMT
#76
On May 20 2010 21:36 roMAD wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm sorry, playing 2 zergs? He is playing in TWO DIFFERENT FINALS yo. Read, process, comprehend, the way to success.
You know, talking with someone that can actually bring a valid point and disagreeing with them is fine, but you are not doing that at all, so I'll stop here.

So's your face.

lmfao
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 20 2010 13:21 GMT
#77
I think there is one thing Flash fans fail to take into account every time.

Currently JD's ZvZ and ZVP are fucking beastly, unquestionably the best and are favoured vs every single Zerg and Protoss for 8:2 odds. His only questionable mu is his ZvT and only ZvT right now, if he can prove he is a better ZvTer than Flash by beating him in 2 bo5s, why cant he be considered the better player?

I'm not saying he'll win this bo5, but it's just something to put into account. And personally I think Flash is a much more solid player overall, and a better player, but when it comes to the bo5s I think JD has a larger edge.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
emoniax
Profile Joined January 2010
Philippines81 Posts
May 20 2010 13:21 GMT
#78
It's getting harder for the "Ultimate Weapon" to bring home both OSL and MSL gold. Both his opponents are in a winning streak. Effort beat Flash in there recent game not just by a small margine but outplayed Flash the entire game. JD on the other hand also beat Flash in there last MSL finals meeting. Well for Flash, this is a great time to prove and cement himself as not just the no.1 Terran but no.1 SC player in the world and levels himself to the legends like Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior if he could grab both major titles. It's not just the "golden mouse"..... it's not just the "sweet revenge"..... It all boils down to one question. "What has the SC Gods in store for the Ultimate Weapon?"
Go Flash!!! TERRAN TERRAN TERRAN!!! did I just say TERRAN?!
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
May 20 2010 13:22 GMT
#79
this is going to be epic. thanks for translating!

now we're facing 9 days of what-if scenarios followed by 1 week of see-now and but-then comments.
oh, and contributing to the debate, i don't think nadal-federer is a good comparison. i think prost-senna is a much better one
o_O
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
May 20 2010 13:25 GMT
#80
Jaedong is better then FlaSh, at least in results. Lately FlaSh has been on an unbelievable tear, but Jaedong still has more SL's.

Also, I was pretty sure that 99.9% of the community believed that Jaedong had the poweroutage game completely won. FlaSh was mining from a min only, he most likely was getting low on money, and his push to disrupt Jaedongs 4th base when he was taking a 5th was pretty much deterred. It was over.
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