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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 14:55 GMT
#741
One thing I would like to point out on kush is his conflicting use of meta

First, he presents meta as part of his case on Dau0d

On October 27 2012 00:42 kushm4sta wrote:
More on daoud:
He seems much more careful about what he says this game than last game.
Last games his posts were like WTF is this weird guy talking about.
This game they look like he doesn't want to catch anyone's attention.

Why we shouldn't lynch djodref today:
He does look pretty scummy. But I don't see how anyone can have a lot of certainty in that read.
Combination of high activity and low certainty means he should not lynch him.
Also realize that djodref is in a position where he NEEDS to evolve his meta whether he is town or scum.
His first game he played as a noob, understandable because it was his first game. His second game, he pretended to be a noob as a scum strat. I think showing that he is better than the newb he pretended to be last game would be the natural play for town djodref, and also scum djodref trying to appear as town djodref.

Djo: who out of the active players seems scummiest to you? Also why did you bring up how you want to lynch a lurker without even trying to pressure your scumreads?



In the same post, he defends Djo, stating that Djo is "changing his meta". How do you know that Kush? Also, how do you know that Dau0d wasn't doing the same? Why do you bash Dau0d for a change in meta but not Djo?

Kush, did you not notice that, in both, games Djo was 1) a cop and 2) mafia

Playing the noob card is a valid strat in both, especially in both of his newbie games.

Now, for his use of meta on me.

Look at how he wants to spread suspicion on me without actually looking up my meta, when he has played with me in my only 2 games. Why would he want someone else who hasn't played with me before, or only once, take the reins on a meta case?

On October 27 2012 10:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Is debears like this every game? It's not how I remember him. And yeah debears you basically buttfucked us during the first half of day 1 when you had your little dickmeasuring contest with Rad, which NOTHING came out of. Nothing except spamming the thread to hell and making it unreadable.


Also, notice the personal attack on me? You can not deny that activity from Rad came out of it. We have a read on Djo based on it. and we have a read on me based on my d1 exchange with rad. 3 reads. Wow. That seems pretty good to me.

On October 27 2012 22:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Someone give me a meta read on debears. Is he usually this angry and rambunctious? I don't know his meta but it seems kind of fake to me.

And also his little stunt in the pony thread could be something to try to convince people following that thread that he is town.
(I actually did this when I got mafia several games ago)


Kush, how do you not know my meta, especially my scum meta, after playing with me twice???????
How does it "seem fake" if you don't know it?

Why do you not use the excuse that I'm possibly "changing my meta"?

Kush is attacking people who he wants to and selectively using meta when it furthers his agenda. That, my friends, is a scumtell.

FOS Kush
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 27 2012 14:57 GMT
#742
I knew the daoud case wasn't that great. But i thought it was better than any other so that's why I voted for it... I said this a million times.

People theorizing scumteams are being dumb. There I said it again. And that makes me scum ?? lol

It's a well known tenant of forum mafia that you don't theorize scumteams before one of them flips (unless you are at the very end of the game)
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 14:57 GMT
#743
On October 27 2012 23:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 23:40 debears wrote:
Guys although the manner in which he expressed it wasn't great. His point is valid

My case is more than just an association case. How well the association fits in is just a bonus.
Compare my "association case" to what Inig tried to pull off.
And tell me it's really the same level of badness.


What do you mean by that?

And it doesn't matter if the association fits. I don't know if either are scum or town. You must eliminate the association from your case until a scumflip
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 14:57 GMT
#744
On October 27 2012 23:57 kushm4sta wrote:
I knew the daoud case wasn't that great. But i thought it was better than any other so that's why I voted for it... I said this a million times.

People theorizing scumteams are being dumb. There I said it again. And that makes me scum ?? lol

It's a well known tenant of forum mafia that you don't theorize scumteams before one of them flips (unless you are at the very end of the game)


Agreed. Guys listen to me and Kush on this one
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 27 2012 14:59 GMT
#745
Everyone jumping all over me it's pretty funny.

If you want me to address all these questions you need to put them in one post. I will respond to anything.

@Debears.. I don't know your meta at all. The one game I played with you I was lynched d1 and I have no idea what you played like. I did not follow that game.
The other game you were like an insignificant little bug, much like you are now, except now you are louder.
So I also don't remember your play except that it wasn't memorable.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 27 2012 15:00 GMT
#746
^sorry ignore the omgus
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 27 2012 15:02 GMT
#747
I am kind of busy today jacking off and I don't feel liek making cases ATM. I will present my cases before the day post in case I get killed.

Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 27 2012 15:03 GMT
#748
On October 27 2012 23:57 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 23:57 kushm4sta wrote:
I knew the daoud case wasn't that great. But i thought it was better than any other so that's why I voted for it... I said this a million times.

People theorizing scumteams are being dumb. There I said it again. And that makes me scum ?? lol

It's a well known tenant of forum mafia that you don't theorize scumteams before one of them flips (unless you are at the very end of the game)


Agreed. Guys listen to me and Kush on this one


I'm very much inclined to agree on this point. Until we have a red flip, theorizing scumteams is pointless.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 27 2012 15:03 GMT
#749
So you're saying, his meta is actually the same to you? After you tried to make it out as if there was some huge meta divergence?

Right. I call Bullshit, Kushyboy.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 15:04 GMT
#750
On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I am kind of busy today jacking off and I don't feel liek making cases ATM. I will present my cases before the day post in case I get killed.

Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk.



Wowwowowowowo. Kush mentioning not getting nked again. Did it his last two newbies as scum.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 27 2012 15:05 GMT
#751
On October 28 2012 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
So you're saying, his meta is actually the same to you? After you tried to make it out as if there was some huge meta divergence?

Right. I call Bullshit, Kushyboy.


I'm trying to say I am totally unfamiliar with his meta because I don't remember it from the one game I played with him.
And the other I was out so quick.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 27 2012 15:07 GMT
#752
On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion.I hope it keeps me from getting nk.


Didn't Kush make this exact statement in the previous newbie game where he was scum?

Here it is:

Oh, I found it.

On September 28 2012 09:40 kushm4sta wrote:
thank you now I won't be nk


But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 27 2012 15:07 GMT
#753
On October 28 2012 00:04 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I am kind of busy today jacking off and I don't feel liek making cases ATM. I will present my cases before the day post in case I get killed.

Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk.



Wowwowowowowo. Kush mentioning not getting nked again. Did it his last two newbies as scum.


I mention NK in town games too. It's a null tell IMO.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 15:09 GMT
#754
I'll look that up kush. Better not be lying.

Also, why would you even bring it up at this point?

1) town - ?????
2) mafia - excuse for not getting nked
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 15:26 GMT
#755
Looney
+ Show Spoiler +

1)
On October 16 2012 23:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Actually I think you would be a fine nk dro :'(


2)
On October 17 2012 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:
@austin why didn't you get lynched?



On October 17 2012 08:34 kushm4sta wrote:
i mean nked


3)
On October 17 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 09:16 austinmcc wrote:
Other options include worries about a medic, although apparently I don't look super duper town, blue-sniping on ET.


I think due to lynch craziness there are no power roles. No one got rbed or anything right?

One reason I'm thinking power roles of some sort exist:

On October 13 2012 23:57 kitaman27 wrote:
In the interest of moving things along due to the extended day one cycle, you may submit night actions early if you wish. When I have received all night actions, the night cycle will end.You still have a maximum of 24 hours to send them in after the day one lynch is decided.

night actionS. When I have received all night actionS

On October 14 2012 11:01 JingleHell wrote:
It is now night. You have 24 hours to get your night actions submitted to myself and Kitaman. If they're all submitted early, as Kita stated before, the following Day post may come early.

night actionS. If they're ALL submitted early.

We have not seen rb claims. We have not seen medic protects. However, we've only seen 1 KP per night, and the N1 posts make pretty clear that there were multiple actions to be received.

Moreover, Sandroba made it to R4 in D1. That means he didn't look uber-town. Yet scum chose to kill him. Why? He's been known to be a dangerous scumhunter. If scum killing him was the only action, I would expect it to happen EARLY. He was killed because they were afraid to let him live, and killing him early in the night would be better than giving him time to get some night thoughts out. So the fact that night didn't end almost immediately means that scum killing sandroba was probably not the only action that needed to come in.


HUH? to this whole post.

Who gives a shit if there is an S on "night actions"? What is kitaman gonna say? Send your night action?
I don't think we can get any information about power roles from stuff mods said.

So sandroba is a dangerous scumhunter so the kill should have happened quickly? Not necessarily. Like you say he wasn't hands down the best nk.

I think we should assume there are no power roles until we see evidence of one.


3)
On October 19 2012 05:47 kushm4sta wrote:
To me it seems like a fake claim. We have seen no evidence of a blue role. Obviously it's one that has actions, since he was talking about night actionS, so why has no one claimed any of those actions.

The "breadcrumbing" by arguing about NK also seems fake.

I still want to lynch until he has some way of corroborating his claim.


4)
On October 19 2012 08:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think I'm the nk if austin flips scum but we will see.

-------------------
5)
On October 19 2012 20:19 kushm4sta wrote:
do not speculate about nk before it happens.

potato tells us nothing

who is mafia? no clue
I think someone should do the legwork to see if Hiro scum is capable of d1 play like that. I will do it when I get time.

Ve is notoriously hard to read. The fact that he is a replacement makes it even easier for him to conceal his alignment. Don't even try to read VE IMO. fucking impossible. Also I'm gradually learning that his scumreads are pretty garbage for a vet, so don't trust those either even if you think he is town.

@Ve those things you critisized daoud for, can't they ve explained by newbness?

---------

6)
On October 20 2012 04:12 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm gonna repeat do not discuss the nk until after it happens please.


7)
On October 20 2012 04:19 kushm4sta wrote:
stfu stfu a million times stfu about nk...wait until it happens


8)
On October 20 2012 07:48 kushm4sta wrote:
My last post was a lie I told to trick scum. Too bad it was probably too late and too obvious to be effective.

If I get nk, then you should lynch thrawn still.
If thrawn is scum, they have no reason to kill mmt, since him living spreads suspicion and everyone is willing to lynch thrawn anyway if he dies.


9)
On October 21 2012 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:
1der: after we kill thrawn, the last mafia will nk djodref.
People left: daoud, you,VE,me. Who do you think is scummiest out od those people right now?



Alright guys. This is just 1 of kush's town games, his most recent one. He claims this

On October 28 2012 00:07 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 00:04 debears wrote:
On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I am kind of busy today jacking off and I don't feel liek making cases ATM. I will present my cases before the day post in case I get killed.

Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk.



Wowwowowowowo. Kush mentioning not getting nked again. Did it his last two newbies as scum.


I mention NK in town games too. It's a null tell IMO.


Alright. Look at the quotes from looney above. Note
1) He never mentions about himself not getting nked for being suspicious
2) How he seems so adamant about not speculating nks as the game went on
3) Most of the time when he mentions nks it's about someone else being nked

Thus, we know him mentioning not getting nked is not found in every town game of his

Now, let's look at his previous newbies, where he was scum. Notice the similarities to his "won't be nked" post this game

NMM XVII
On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.

what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.

I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad


NMM XVIII

On September 28 2012 09:40 kushm4sta wrote:
thank you now I won't be nk
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 27 2012 15:26 GMT
#756
Concerning Kush...

I'll be honest, I don't like his play. I read somewhere that he had a "scummy meta", but it just seems arrogant to me. However, The FoS's against him are based heavily on meta in general and I find him difficult to read as of yet.

@Debears
On October 27 2012 23:55 debears wrote:

Kush is attacking people who he wants to and selectively using meta when it furthers his agenda. That, my friends, is a scumtell.



What exactly in your opinion is Kush's agenda right now?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 15:28 GMT
#757
EBWOP Here's this games post

On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I am kind of busy today jacking off and I don't feel liek making cases ATM. I will present my cases before the day post in case I get killed.

Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 15:29 GMT
#758
@Cheese

A mafia agenda now for sure. Look at the damn nk comment
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 27 2012 15:30 GMT
#759
I saw the NK comment, and I agree that it is very scummy considering he's been known to say the exact same thing in other games where he was scum.

But what exactly is he trying to accomplish if his agenda is mafia-orientated? Single people out?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 27 2012 15:33 GMT
#760
......are you really asking that?

Yes. Mafia want some form of control of the lynch. By using meta on people who he wants to, he can push for the candidates he wants to without being noticed.

The "changing his meta" excuse is bullshit if it doesn't apply to everyone
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