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Gonzaw, let me answer a few of your points. I'm going to ignore some things because they are stupid (ie, "he was being too dramatic and trying too hard to be townie) and I'm going to answer the things that I think are important.
- When I posted about you and the setup stuff, I was genuinely confused - as I still am. Can you explain why you did that like four times, despite being called out after every one? It doesn't make sense to me.
- I get frustrated. You post these walls of text super often and they're all accusing me. It's like I can't post anything without having to defend myself against a bad case from you.
- I don't understand how you call me "being needlessly aggressive" a scum tell. Sure, I'm being aggresive towards you, because I don't want to deal with you dominating the game again like in mtg, and I don't want every post I make to have to be about my relationship towards you.
Now let's talk about the small part of your case on me that wasn't actually about you.
- i don't give a fuck what you think about the "tone" of my posts. I'm fucking tired a lot during the week and I'm not going to fancy shit up for you.
- how did I not back my reads up? My reasoning is right there. Sometimes being concise is useful, man. I could have written several paragraphs saying "vivak is scummy because he keeps accusing people then backing off of them very quickly." Instead I said it in one sentence.
- I really don't understand this part from you.
gonzaw saidShow nested quote +I said
i just read his filter from lvi and from noob17, and in both of those he asks questions a bunch but they feel more insightful than the ones he asks here, and he posts opinions interspersed with the questions. He's using meta ALONE about something IRRELEVANT (he asks "more insightful questions" when he's town, and he's "asking questions" here....how the hell is that relevant?)
This makes me think you're scum. How do you not see that "asking questions about irrelevant things" and "asking questions that could help reveal alignment" are different? And more importantly, in those other games he posted opinions whereas in this one he didn't. This point feels manufactured (and tbh I think some of the other points in here seem manufactured too. If you're town man you don't need to post a ginormous case like this every time, you can just post the things that you actually think and that actually make sense).
"my attitude convinces you i'm scum" I don't even understand what this means. I guess you mean my attitude towards you this game? Well, I think I explained that above but let me be a little more clear here: I think you ruined MTG mafia because you posted obsessively, and by sheer weight of posts (as well as the fact that a lot of the players there were newbs and that half the vets were scum) you managed to bully the thread into obsessing over whoever you were suspicious of - even though your suspicions were wrong, and (I thought) obviously so. I found that really frustrating, so I'm sorry but for the next while that I play with you I'm going to call your stupid bs out as clearly as I can.
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On July 15 2012 03:02 strongandbig wrote:
I'm still at a loss to explain why gonzaw aggressively refused to read the thread and kept asking questions about setup, it just doesn't make sense from either a scum or town perspective.
As far as I know I only asked 2 questions, the "Is there a SK?" one and the "Is this plurality lynch?" one.
In the 1st one I was half-joking kind of, and was lazy to reread the OP (I put it in the post right before posting it). I knew this was like C9++ but I forgot how the SK was chosen, so maybe there was a high chance of SK or something (mind you I thought all this in like 3 seconds).
I realised I derped afterwards. After that I didn't "ask questions" but post my thoughts about reverse-engineering the setup.
In the 2nd one I was in a great hurry since there were only 30 minutes left and I didn't want to waste time rereading the OP at all (I had like 7 pages to read).
This looks eerily similar to your "case" against Grey last game (MTG Mafia)......but to be honest you were town there so I don't even know what to think about it :/
(you tend to make "bad" cases like this apparently, which makes it hard to figure out when you do them on purpose as scum).
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you asked how many scum there were earlier in the game too, and then that PM business.
Reading the OP to find out what kind of lynch it is is 10x quicker than typing out the question and waiting for the response.
It IS extremely annoying when you already post a shit-tonne and you include crap like that when you can just read the thread instead.
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On July 15 2012 03:17 strongandbig wrote:
- I get frustrated. You post these walls of text super often and they're all accusing me. It's like I can't post anything without having to defend myself against a bad case from you.
I made a wall of text accusing like 3-4 guys and I didn't even vote for you wtf are you talking about?
How can you get frustrated just by having 1 guy FoS you? That's impossible.
If you are town, take a deep breath, relax, put some soothing music and calm the fuck down; this anti-town "frustrated and angry" persona you have this game doesn't help anybody at all.
- I don't understand how you call me "being needlessly aggressive" a scum tell. Sure, I'm being aggresive towards you, because I don't want to deal with you dominating the game again like in mtg, and I don't want every post I make to have to be about my relationship towards you.
Trying to shit things up and being instantly confrontational and disruptive when accused is not a town trait (again, I posted an example of someone doing the EXACT SAME THING as scum and it worked in his favour back then, meaning it's an used scum tactic).
- i don't give a fuck what you think about the "tone" of my posts. I'm fucking tired a lot during the week and I'm not going to fancy shit up for you.
That doesn't help at all. How the hell do you plan on "establishing your innocence" (something you said was the most important thing townies should do, which implies you'll try to do that yourself) if don't care shit about what you post and how, and you don't give a shit about what other people think of you and flipping your shit at people?
- how did I not back my reads up? My reasoning is right there. Sometimes being concise is useful, man. I could have written several paragraphs saying "vivak is scummy because he keeps accusing people then backing off of them very quickly." Instead I said it in one sentence.
That's being "too" concise to the point you don't say anything interesting and make it impossible for people to figure out your intentions, specially if you vote people based on only that.
It's fucking easy as scum to state a one-liner and vote someone because of that, it needs no effort whatsoever other than just briefly skimming someone's filter to find what one-liner to say.
It shows lack of effort, not being "concise".
Okay, I'll give it to you that it may have been a good reason to vote for him (had you expanded on it), but it doesn't tell me shit about your alignment other than that "lacks effort" bit from above
- I really don't understand this part from you. Show nested quote +gonzaw saidI said
i just read his filter from lvi and from noob17, and in both of those he asks questions a bunch but they feel more insightful than the ones he asks here, and he posts opinions interspersed with the questions. He's using meta ALONE about something IRRELEVANT (he asks "more insightful questions" when he's town, and he's "asking questions" here....how the hell is that relevant?) This makes me think you're scum. How do you not see that "asking questions about irrelevant things" and "asking questions that could help reveal alignment" are different? And more importantly, in those other games he posted opinions whereas in this one he didn't. This point feels manufactured (and tbh I think some of the other points in here seem manufactured too. If you're town man you don't need to post a ginormous case like this every time, you can just post the things that you actually think and that actually make sense). "my attitude convinces you i'm scum" I don't even understand what this means. I guess you mean my attitude towards you this game? Well, I think I explained that above but let me be a little more clear here: I think you ruined MTG mafia because you posted obsessively, and by sheer weight of posts (as well as the fact that a lot of the players there were newbs and that half the vets were scum) you managed to bully the thread into obsessing over whoever you were suspicious of - even though your suspicions were wrong, and (I thought) obviously so. I found that really frustrating, so I'm sorry but for the next while that I play with you I'm going to call your stupid bs out as clearly as I can.
Saying that in one game he was town he "asked more insightful questions" than this game doesn't mean shit if you justify it for a vote.
I didn't really think he was "asking questions about irrelevant things" to be honest, and I don't know wtf you are talking about about "more insightful questions".
Just by that alone it's a total bullshit reason since I don't get what "asking more insightful questions" has anything to do with anybody's alignment or how it even works (what do you consider "insightful question"?).
I didn't take into account the "post opinions" thing since I didn't see the relevance either.
Hmm....*sigh* okay I'll give one thing to you, I'm rereading solstice's filter and he doesn't really "post opinions".
But if you are going to make an argument that justifies a vote on solstice instead of a vote on Vivax/Dropbear/someone else based on meta and his play in another game then post some reasoning and quotes from it, saying "he asks insightful questions and posts opinions, here he doesn't, ##vote: solstice" again makes me think you don't give a shit about the game, you skimmedthrough another game of his and tried to find the easiest thing to accuse him of and come up with a bullshit reason to justify your vote.
Agh fuck this I can't shake that feeling from the other game and maybe you are genuinely frustrated at me with that vendetta of yours.
If you are town please calm down and put more effort.
Speaking of which S&B, what do you think of Mattchew, talismania and what was said before?
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On July 15 2012 06:07 marvellosity wrote:
you asked how many scum there were earlier in the game too, and then that PM business.
Reading the OP to find out what kind of lynch it is is 10x quicker than typing out the question and waiting for the response.
It IS extremely annoying when you already post a shit-tonne and you include crap like that when you can just read the thread instead.
I did skim the OP a little bit but didn't found that part so I made that question afterwards. After making that question and you shitting on me about it I spent like 2-3 minutes trying to figure out where it said "its majority rule"
I forgot it was under "Voting rules", I thought there would be a "Voting: This follows the majority bla bla bla" section under the "Spam", "Inappropiate Posts" ,etc one >_>
About the scum question I think wbg posted the "this follows the C9++ setup" thing in the OP after I read it when I signed up; and posted it in the thread after I was away and came back to start the game so I didn't notice it (I went directly to the Day 1 post ignoring the Pre-game ones).
Anyways yeah I may have derped there, but is this really that important? If you guys want to discuss other things about my play that are relevant to the game then sure, but this seems pointless
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yes, it's enough about it now. Even if it's annoying I don't see how it's alignment indicating.
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On July 15 2012 02:02 Mattchew wrote:
Wow I guess drunk me doesn't like reading
Speaking of Matt, this was all he had to say about disappearing at lynch time?
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Like, for all Mattchew knows he might get nightkilled tonight, right?
And he gives us nothing?
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On July 14 2012 06:52 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:49 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:On July 14 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
There's 20 minutes to deadline and you make a fucking post asking taht when you can just read the OP? Get a grip
It's majority It stoke me some doubt since Risen was all "vote Vivax/Dropbear" which made me think it may have been a plurality lynch. If it's majority then sorry to tell you but we'll NL if things keep up like this. Yes AND YOU HAVEN'T VOTED What's wrong with you??? What the hell is wrong with you marv? Get off my back and stop nitpicking everything I say. I already voted Keirathi. Shit I don't have time to read the thread, I just skimmed and saw some posts from Vivax and at least he seemed active (didn't read its content), but Dropbear isn't even here. Fuck it I hate majority lynches, but here it goes: ##Unvote: Keirathi
##Vote: DropbearHopefully I reread the thread quickly before the lynch but I doubt it. of course he's not here he's in australia it's like four am like there are decent reasons to vote for him but that's not one of them i want everyone to seriously consider gonzaw for lynch tomorrow.
Strongandbig what do you mean by "there are decent reasons to vote for dropbear" etc. I notice from your filter that you never really talk about dropbear much except for one post where you said you wanted to think more about him way in the beginning and a later post saying you might think about consolidating on him (but he was part of a list). What, in your mind, are those reasons?
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If I die, be suspicious of anyone who hard defended Vivax. No one should have felt he was towny (only scum would be defending him hard because they're the ones who KNOW he's town, like I did with VE day 1 of my last scum game. Gave me town cred up the wazoo yo), and be even more wary of anyone who was hard defending him and ended up on him instead of DropBear. Day post in 30 mins.
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Can't you just say "be suspicious of marv" Risen? 
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On July 14 2012 06:42 sciberbia wrote:
OK guys we have to lynch today!
I think there is least resistance to a dropbear lynch. I'd be willing to consolidate on dropbear. Is anyone strongly opposed to a dropbear lynch?
Same question to you as to strongandbig - you have no mention of dropbear up until now. obviously it was consolidation time, but what are your thoughts on him in general?
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marv you're around can you go more into your switch near the end there? I was certain you were going to vote dropbear you hadn't even posted much about vivax since the early case.
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On July 15 2012 06:33 marvellosity wrote:Can't you just say "be suspicious of marv" Risen?
Lol, you aren't the only one
I don't know why I found this so funny lol.
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On July 15 2012 06:36 talismania wrote:
marv you're around can you go more into your switch near the end there? I was certain you were going to vote dropbear you hadn't even posted much about vivax since the early case.
there isn't much more than i've said in my filter. I thought Dropbear's contribution was pretty bad but the all round aggression made me think he was townie
I defended Vivax on his meta and then basically I had to choose who was more likely to flip scum between him and Dropbear. In the end it was just the fact that I'd got some townie vibes from Dropbear this game rather than thinking someone was townie because of other games I guess.
I find it pretty difficult to explain actually (i tried shortly after the lynch and just ended up deleting it).
I'm not at all used to lynching people who aren't my choice (as either alignment!)
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On July 15 2012 06:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 06:36 talismania wrote:
marv you're around can you go more into your switch near the end there? I was certain you were going to vote dropbear you hadn't even posted much about vivax since the early case. there isn't much more than i've said in my filter. I thought Dropbear's contribution was pretty bad but the all round aggression made me think he was townie I defended Vivax on his meta and then basically I had to choose who was more likely to flip scum between him and Dropbear. In the end it was just the fact that I'd got some townie vibes from Dropbear this game rather than thinking someone was townie because of other games I guess. I find it pretty difficult to explain actually (i tried shortly after the lynch and just ended up deleting it). I'm not at all used to lynching people who aren't my choice (as either alignment!)
Did you even say who your choice was? All I seem to remember was a bunch of non-commital reads and saying you were frustrated that there wasn't an easy target.
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Alright I'm posting this right at the deadline because, assuming DropBear is scum, he could use this to strengthen the effect of a WIFOM defense. I also wouldn't mind being shot tonight, so you all could see that DropBear was defending one town player from another. If I post this when scum can find it useful, I think it's less likely that I get shot.
Vivax's flip has me even more convinced that DropBear is scum. Why is it scummy that DropBear defended one town player from another? Think about the situation from my perspective. I know I'm town and now I know that Vivax is town. That means when scum saw Vivax attacking me, they saw one town player attacking another town player (with a weak case too IMO). It's the perfect time to gain town cred in my eyes by defending me, while also putting pressure on Vivax that helped lead to a mislynch. Furthermore, in the past I've shown a propensity for trusting players who have defended me, such as in NMM XV. I don't know if DropBear has seen it, but it's possible that he has and that he was trying to get me to repeat one of my past mistakes.
I wouldn't find this nearly as scummy without the fact that DropBear seemed to manufacture a town read on me out of thin air. He called me one of his strongest town reads, but he never explained why I'm such a strong town read to him. If he was honestly trying to save/defend me, why hasn't he ever explained why I look town to him? Calling someone a town read, and then explaining your reasoning seems like a good town move. Calling someone town and then using it to further incriminate another player (Vivax) seems really scummy. Just think about it.
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On July 15 2012 06:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 06:48 marvellosity wrote:On July 15 2012 06:36 talismania wrote:
marv you're around can you go more into your switch near the end there? I was certain you were going to vote dropbear you hadn't even posted much about vivax since the early case. there isn't much more than i've said in my filter. I thought Dropbear's contribution was pretty bad but the all round aggression made me think he was townie I defended Vivax on his meta and then basically I had to choose who was more likely to flip scum between him and Dropbear. In the end it was just the fact that I'd got some townie vibes from Dropbear this game rather than thinking someone was townie because of other games I guess. I find it pretty difficult to explain actually (i tried shortly after the lynch and just ended up deleting it). I'm not at all used to lynching people who aren't my choice (as either alignment!) Did you even say who your choice was? All I seem to remember was a bunch of non-commital reads and saying you were frustrated that there wasn't an easy target.
Why don't you read my filter?
I chose austin in the end and I tried to round up people who said they would vote austin.
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After the burning of Vivax, most of the men returned to their quarters for a relatively restless sleep. One of these men was marvellosity. The sight of Vivax's incinerated corpse had not left his mind's eye by the time he laid down in a desperate attempt to sleep. He did not know how long he had been lying there on his cot when he felt a swift gust of wind hit his face.
The door to his sleeping trailer was ajar, he noted, though he seemed to remember closing it upon entering. As he rose slowly from the bed, a quickly moving shadow caught his eye. When he moved to look in the direction it came from, he caught a second shadow moving on his other side. Marvellosity slowly reached across to grab the pistol off the sidetable, apprehensive. His fingers closed around the cold metal.
It was the last thing his fingers would feel. The cold feeling rapidly grew stronger even though his hand had been separated from the rest of his body at the very same instant the intense heat cut into his throat. His brain was acting furiously, but his body could no longer respond. His hearing was overwhelmed by the ringing, echoing endlessly, his touch bombarded with heat and ice, his eyes seeing nothing but red. But his mouth and nose? Why, they sensed the same: the fear of death.
It was chill and the sun was rising, more than an hour after his scheduled watch when one of the on-duty marines came to marvellosity's quarters to wake him.
"You're late, marv!" he yelled as he banged his fist against the door. On the third knock the door squeaked open by its own accord.
The sight made the man sick to his stomach.
Marvellosity, marine (vanilla town) was ripped to pieces.
48 hours till lynch: with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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gg
sorry I wasn't more useful town.
best of luck
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