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stop labeling khiphop anywhere on par with regular hiphop and nujabes is not a 'hip-hop act', he was known for his beats that heavily drew upon jazz/acid jazz roots & samples.
On August 08 2012 08:19 Nesserev wrote: F'ck all the gangnam hipsters, 오빤 홍대스타일!!!
welp brb time to dig this out.
ah found it. Hipster is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else's authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself. It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker. Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you're probably sensed the pattern on your own). Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the au-thentic Us from the inauthentic, ironic, Them. You can't define what that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That's because you don't use hipster to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you. The twist, of course, is that if it weren't for your own insecurities, nothing that a hipster could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - "Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I'm certainly not like those filthy hipsters!"- so you project those feelings onto others. + Show Spoiler +
lol "hipster."
tl;dr, andy is the only hipster on KMD
Don't think anyone posted this video here, don't remember. Its cute though.
On August 08 2012 09:39 TuElite wrote: Supporting Tuna on this one. And I do consider myself a pretty knowledgeable "Hip-Hop head".
Edit: I understand Andy's argument as well though and it makes sense as well.
I still have some Korean hip-hop artists in my overall top 25, possibly top 10. I for one have no problem mentioning Tablo in the same sentence as Nas for example. Obviously they bring a very different perspective and aspects to the game but to me they're pretty much on par with one another.
What?
You can't understand what they're saying I don't know how you can compare their abiltities, unless you're comparing how their raps sound because then you should be comapring producers rather than the rappers.
Didn't you get banned a while ago for saying Korean rap was better than western rap?
No that wasn't the reason and that wasn't I said either, that's what you took from it. Anyways, I was just stating my opinion and supporting the other guy, let's not have this debate again shall we ?
Well, I wouldn't mind having the debate again if it was to be civilized this time.
Well to be fair i dont think i can, my k-hiphop knowledge is limited to pretty much lleessang and simon d, who by the way is also pretty guud. Well his solo album atleast, 80% good.
As far as Hip-hop goes, lyrics hold a much deeper meaning in comparison to other genre's, and beats are less of an emphasis (not saying they're subpar, just not as big of a key component in the song). I can't say I can actually like hiphop in other languages, if I don't understand the language, a lot of it falls short for me~.
On August 08 2012 10:44 Juliette wrote: I should join on this cause i love the hippity hop but i dont listen to khiphop outside of fever's end.
But its really missing something if you cant understand the words..
I wholeheartedly disagree. Lyrics have never really been the most important thing for me, and that goes for english and swedish music which i can understand aswell. I mean im sure alot of people here feel like that here aswell? I mean it helps when you listen to kpop too.
On August 08 2012 09:39 TuElite wrote: Supporting Tuna on this one. And I do consider myself a pretty knowledgeable "Hip-Hop head".
Edit: I understand Andy's argument as well though and it makes sense as well.
I still have some Korean hip-hop artists in my overall top 25, possibly top 10. I for one have no problem mentioning Tablo in the same sentence as Nas for example. Obviously they bring a very different perspective and aspects to the game but to me they're pretty much on par with one another.
What?
You can't understand what they're saying I don't know how you can compare their abiltities, unless you're comparing how their raps sound because then you should be comapring producers rather than the rappers.
Didn't you get banned a while ago for saying Korean rap was better than western rap?
You were probably thinking of me and why would anyone get banned for saying that?
On August 08 2012 10:44 Juliette wrote: I should join on this cause i love the hippity hop but i dont listen to khiphop outside of fever's end.
But its really missing something if you cant understand the words..
I wholeheartedly disagree. Lyrics have never really been the most important thing for me, and that goes for english and swedish music which i can understand aswell. I mean im sure alot of people here feel like that here aswell? I mean it helps when you listen to kpop too.
Even as an advocate of your side on Korean Hip-Hop being as good and sometimes better than the western stuff, I have to disagree with this. Lyrics used to be and should be the main focus when it comes to hip-hop.
On August 08 2012 10:44 Juliette wrote: I should join on this cause i love the hippity hop but i dont listen to khiphop outside of fever's end.
But its really missing something if you cant understand the words..
I wholeheartedly disagree. Lyrics have never really been the most important thing for me, and that goes for english and swedish music which i can understand aswell. I mean im sure alot of people here feel like that here aswell? I mean it helps when you listen to kpop too.
Well lyrics are certainly more important in hiphop than other genres, that is hard to argue against.
But I also have never cared much about the lyrics in music myself. Hell I understand what their saying better in kpop than in some of my metal (and its in english, btbam ftw) that I listen to. Its definitely a minority opinion but yeah I enjoy many parts of music over what the lyrics are (if there are any to begin with).
On August 08 2012 10:44 Juliette wrote: I should join on this cause i love the hippity hop but i dont listen to khiphop outside of fever's end.
But its really missing something if you cant understand the words..
I wholeheartedly disagree. Lyrics have never really been the most important thing for me, and that goes for english and swedish music which i can understand aswell. I mean im sure alot of people here feel like that here aswell? I mean it helps when you listen to kpop too.
Even as an advocate of your side on Korean Hip-Hop being as good and sometimes better than the western stuff, I have to disagree with this. Lyrics used to be and should be the main focus when it comes to hip-hop.
Really glad you mentioned this. So many albums are rated highly just because of production nowadays. Not that I mind too much, unfortunately.
Its not like us foreigners listening to kpop and understanding just the bad english and the occasional "oppa" or "saranghae" and still enjoying it. Its pop music after all.
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On August 08 2012 10:58 Hall0wed wrote:
Well lyrics are certainly more important in hiphop than other genres, that is hard to argue against.
But I also have never cared much about the lyrics in music myself. Hell I understand what their saying better in kpop than in some of my metal (and its in english, btbam ftw) that I listen to. Its definitely a minority opinion but yeah I enjoy many parts of music over what the lyrics are (if there are any to begin with).
I still enjoy Tablo or Epik High even when I don't understand it. And yeah same with metal, and screamo for me where I love it though all I hear is GRR RARAWRARWR. But it makes me miss something not understanding what I'm hearing, to the point where I've searched for music in Filipino so I can experience the "native tongue" sort of feeling in music.
I think the flow, rhythm, and rhyme is more important than lyrics. You can have the best lyrics in the world but without the rhythm, no one will listen to your song.
Just take one of the most popular hiphop songs of all time, Feather by Nujabes w. Cise Star. The lyrics are so beyond deep, it was popular because of beat, but the reason it was so brilliant to hip-hop aficionados were the lyrics.
Never Good But Rules Of Paradise Are Never Nice The Best Laid Plan Of Mice And Men Are Never Right I'm Just A Vagabond With Flowers For Algernon
In 3 lines, 3 major novel/short story references. All of which hit deep~
But stuff like this probably falls short upon a lot of Koreans, even if they understand English, but they can still enjoy the beat~
Same applies to me, except vise versa. As much as I hate the fact that I'm just enjoying like 10% of what is actually being presented, I can appreciate that there is more depth even though I might not quite understand it.
On August 08 2012 11:05 StyLeD wrote: I think the flow, rhythm, and rhyme is more important than lyrics. You can have the best lyrics in the world but without the rhythm, no one will listen to your song.
I don't think you know how hiphop lyrics work......
The lyrics construct the flow/rhythm/rhyme, not the beats.
On August 08 2012 11:07 wei2coolman wrote: Just take one of the most popular hiphop songs of all time, Feather by Nujabes w. Cise Star. The lyrics are so beyond deep, it was popular because of beat, but the reason it was so brilliant to hip-hop aficionados were the lyrics.
Never Good But Rules Of Paradise Are Never Nice The Best Laid Plan Of Mice And Men Are Never Right I'm Just A Vagabond With Flowers For Algernon
In 3 lines, 3 major novel/short story references. All of which hit deep~
But stuff like this probably falls short upon a lot of Koreans, even if they understand English, but they can still enjoy the beat~
Same applies to me, except vise versa. As much as I hate the fact that I'm just enjoying like 10% of what is actually being presented, I can appreciate that there is more depth even though I might not quite understand it.
agree with this
although i've never really listened to nujabes i can appreciate that. I'd like to know the broader scope of the references though. did he just throw them in just cause (albeit very appropriately grouped) or does the song keep that theme?
still, really good stuff. Although I've had too much contemporary hip-hop in my system recently so my mind looks for flashy lyrics first lol. Roc OP.
edit for kmd: sucks that i miss out on korean/culture jokes in kpop tho
On August 08 2012 06:45 klogg wrote: Honestly thought, I could see why you would confuse that woman with Tiffany. She does have quite wide and manly shoulders like Tiffany.
On August 08 2012 11:12 Craton wrote: Fortunately this isn't the western hip hop and rap thread so it doesn't matter.
But you should realize if you haven't already is that K-Pop (and definitely C-Pop, and to a relatively lesser extent J-Pop) are all derived from the same crappy western pop music we had here 5-15 yrs ago.
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