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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now?
You scum bro?
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Wow, this is so much activity. The 3 noob games I played did NOT prepare me for this. I'm close to being caught up but I need to sleep so I'm gonna post some thoughts on my top suspect and then read some more tomorrow.
Blazinghand - I don't understand exactly why he changed his tune about vayne. His reason for unvoting him seemed to be the same as his reasoning for voting him. Here's his reasons:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 05:35 Blazinghand wrote:
info comes from town taking stances on things that matter ie voting and scum trying and failing to imitate What info do we get based on gut feelings? oh thats right astrology readings. I will be sticking to my game of logic and not letting emotions get the best of me. If somebody scumslips day 1 I will be watching intently, but besides that im not gonna bandwagon some poor sap just because a "vet" deems him scum ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthority Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
he's certainly found a very creative way of opting out of the discourse, but I don't buy it at all. VA scum. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 05:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is. what do you suggest I do then oh great and mighty vet l0l? There's no fucking information to go off of. yeah lynch this guy
So then after Vayne post some more, BH changes his mind:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 06:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
lol you havent played in a game with me yet so ill fill you in. I always garner massive day 1 attention because my "shitty" analysis is pretty accurate. Scum want me gone early. There's no WIFOM when were talking a difference in playstyles here. I was just browsing filters and I found this hilarious. This is a totally useless post, but I really did find this hilarious. whats the joke so that I may appease to your funny bone more easily chap? I just saw you throw your newbie game because you were too much of a pussy to follow your instincts. this does not translate to = scum want me gone early (you were left alive to lylo) hopefully this doesn't sound like a massive putdown, but... um... yeah. I mean, maybe you're feared on mafiascum, but don't make claims about how you're feared here until you have a legitimate reason to think so. I threw the game? The other townie came in and voted at the last second for me. Why the fuck would it have mattered? I made it to lylo because I played my part as town perfectly, suspicious enough to stay alive and not bad enough to get lynched. god is that really your idea of how town plays optimally :| ##unvote Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:57 Blazinghand wrote:
So, new rule: Vayne is a VI. Ignore him, check him if you are a DT or vig him if you are a vigi, policy lynch him before lylo if he's still alive. There's a possibility he also rolled scum but judging by his last game and this one there's no real way to tell. Not a worthwhile D1 lynch. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you? see how could you possibly lynch a guy who legitimately thinks this is an ok post to make? There's no heuristic that could possibly distinguish scum VA from town VA. everyone should unvote this guy
Why did Vaynes earlier posts seem scum, but his later posts seemed bad town? Because they all look pretty much the same to me.
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I'll quickly address the flimsy case solstice has brought up.
On May 18 2013 12:44 s0Lstice wrote:Well, anyway, while you're catching up... Read your defense Stutters, we're cool for now. My two scumspecs are sputnik and goodkarmaI agree with iamp and grush on sputnik. There is fuck all in his filter, he is being purposely evasive with his 'in character' speech, and then there was the 'credit to team' list of people who haven't contributed. I feel better about goodkarma though, because of his latest posts Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 11:21 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Stutters:I'm satisfied with your explanation, Stutters, and will look closely at your promised analysis (please don't promise and not deliver like you did in our newbie game  ). Regarding GrushAs for Grush, I was of the opinion lynching someone because they don't say "starsenses" is pretty stupid. But then grush says: On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote:
whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum. So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game... All in all, this looks like a scumclaim. Further, his Vayne vote was an easy jump on a bandwagon I'd expect from scum. And the majority of his content after seems to be some kind of worthless trolly defense. ##Unvote: Stutters
##Vote: grush57 This case was unnecessary, first of all. It's like he wanted us all to see his ticket on the bandwagon was legit because he did some cursory legwork to get on it. He goes from debasing the entire reason for the lynch to fully buying in with break neck speed, based on a misrepresentation of the point grush was trying to get across. Then this....holy shit Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote:On May 18 2013 11:30 iamperfection wrote:
gk want to vote jarjar? Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell. He asks why his vote would be anything more than a lurker vote, then provides a substantive point about how it would indeed not be just a lurker vote. This is so wishy-washy my clothes got clean just from reading it. He provides pros and cons until he argues himself into a wait and see corner. Can we kill this guy? Follow me and grush into the abyss! ##unvote##Vote goodkarma
So the first point I believe had something to do with Grush. You bold everything in that paragraph except for this, which is also very important to read: "Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..."
What's significant here is that Grush is holding himself to the starsenses thing. And that he says "from now on" indicating he wasn't considering changing his patterns until after he was held accountable for it here. That others brought it up was stupid, but that he also seems to hold value in it makes it relevant. As for misrepresentation you will need to elaborate, because I haven't misrepresented anything that Grush said.
As for JarJar, I clearly pointed out it would be a lurker vote. NOWHERE in there did I say it wasn't a lurker vote...
You're making up things I've done that clearly aren't there.
As for my current vote, I'm still not sold that Grush is town. Darthpunk brought up the point that Grush might have thrown out a starsenses remark as scum since he was under heavy pressure. I believe he gave up on this point too easily. It came to my attention that Grush has only been scum twice as best I can tell (as of Feb this year anyway). With such a small sample size, I see it being very possible he'd be throw it down there as scum.
But setting aside the whole "starsenses" thing, looking at Grush's filter I see a bandwagon vote on Vayne, a trollish defense, and an OMGUS vote on me. Grush has in fact done nothing but scummy stuff all game. This was also a basis for my vote. I'll look through filters again tomorrow, but I still am not convinced that Grush is this "guaranteed townie" some of you seem to think he is now that he spouted out his magic word.
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He is not guaranteed town. But I was voting him based on lack of Starsenses. Then s0lstice linked me a town game in which he doesn't say Starsenses so the meta lynch is kind of broken by that. He is still useless/unreadable. But the point is if we lynch him it is a policy lynch more than anything.
Aside from grush who would you like to lynch today?
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On May 18 2013 15:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? You scum bro?
Explain this, DP.
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We are not lynching GK today.
I'll look at sputnik/JJD in a moment, and give my thoughts on them.
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Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch.
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On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch.
So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD.
You planning on coming up with something?
I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky?
I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time?
And why is GK not getting lynched today?
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On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today?
GK is obviously town.
BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight.
Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight.
For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised.
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on.Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now?
First line Whining about activity. Could be genuine. A lot of times things like that turn out to be scum trying to look more involved than they are.
A LOT of fucking wishy-washy statements in that post. None of the fearlessness I would expect from town. A sense of heightened self awareness/Inherent guilt. Because when you KNOW what you are saying is incorrect often scum players will reveal that through the way they continue to give themselves outs from every position they take. It looks like that is what is happening here.
dissonance when he calls sputnik obvscum and then says he feels better about his vote in the next post, Like if he is obvs scum what is there to feel better about?
Like seriously read that post and almost every time he says something he backs out of it.
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Also rayn. All I can remember from that dude is that he popped in and called me town. When he's town, he's usually more active and at the center of attention.
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On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised.
Your a brave brave man.
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On May 18 2013 16:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised. Your a brave brave man.
If I don't get reads on them early, I'll never go back and do it later on in the game. >_>
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On May 18 2013 16:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 16:01 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised. Your a brave brave man. If I don't get reads on them early, I'll never go back and do it later on in the game. >_>
What do you think about That WoS post?
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On May 18 2013 16:01 yamato77 wrote:
Also rayn. All I can remember from that dude is that he popped in and called me town. When he's town, he's usually more active and at the center of attention.
Eh he wasn't that active early in his last game as town (carnival cruise). Yet another wait and see for me.
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On May 18 2013 16:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 16:03 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 16:01 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised. Your a brave brave man. If I don't get reads on them early, I'll never go back and do it later on in the game. >_> What do you think about That WoS post?
I generally agree with what you said about it. He's playing slightly different from how I've seen town WoS play. It's like he has a hard time calling someone scummy.
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Does anyone know when grush started using STARSENSES?
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On May 18 2013 16:06 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 16:01 yamato77 wrote:
Also rayn. All I can remember from that dude is that he popped in and called me town. When he's town, he's usually more active and at the center of attention. Eh he wasn't that active early in his last game as town (carnival cruise). Yet another wait and see for me.
I'm not reading that game, so I'm basing this off of my experience with him in LXI.
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I really hate reading Marv's filter.
So much of it is devoted to being a complete dick, it's hard to discern his true alignment. I like his pursuit of BH, but he hasn't had the balls to stick to it for any lengthy amount of time. His fight with Dandel was completely stupid, based off of ass reasoning, and ultimately went nowhere. Other than that, he seems overly preoccupied with how people perceive how he's playing so far and rather sheepish in his most recent voting.
Maybe we're seeing Marv from Personality rear his ugly head again, but I feel like he's playing like shit. I don't think scum Marv would play this way, however, so I guess he's town. I really don't like that this is the case.
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