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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 18 2013 02:26 GMT
#521
so let's play game now ty
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
May 18 2013 02:26 GMT
#522
i guess we have to treat you as town.

I implore you to drop the starsenses after this game make a thread dedicated to you shedding it once and for all
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
May 18 2013 02:30 GMT
#523
gk want to vote jarjar?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 18 2013 02:36 GMT
#524
I really don't get the STARSENSES thing.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
May 18 2013 02:39 GMT
#525
On May 18 2013 11:36 Stutters695 wrote:
I really don't get the STARSENSES thing.

whats there to get?

He only posts starsenses when he is town
When he is scum he hasn't posted it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
May 18 2013 02:59 GMT
#526
On May 18 2013 11:30 iamperfection wrote:
gk want to vote jarjar?


Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 03:01 GMT
#527
Been following loosely on my phone most of the day. I see that I have some heat on me so I'm gonna catch up now. I'll try to post a defense for myself but I don't think there's really much of a case against me aside from lurking since I dont think I have more then 3 post right now.

stay tuned
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:04 GMT
#528
Just catching up now. But I thought I would give some input. This post seems incredibly townie to me. Generally I find townies are the ones who will defend their ego's to the last breath. I don't want to lynch vayne today based on that post alone.

The shit between Blazinghand and marv is a waste of time and the longer it goes on the more I will be suspicious of the person who keeps arguing.

Neither of them are getting lynched day one barring some unforeseen situation which they both well know. They are both null right now.

On May 18 2013 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents ill be back later, keep up the good work.
RAINBOWS!!!!


LOL.

OK i'll keep reading.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:13 GMT
#529
On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you?


Just saying people catch mafia day one all the time. Me for instance. And marv. Blazinghand likes to make cases on his mason partner day one.

Oh. Yeah. The point is that you can totally catch people day one. It's not even difficult. Looking at the game as pure chance is fallacious.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:22 GMT
#530
On May 18 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. btw people can semi-ignore me until tomorrow when I'm more sober, but my current thought is this:

vayne is probably town because he's constantly answered me in a pretty consistent manner. this isn't a certain read, but meh, maybe we should be looking somewhere else today. he seems to be saying some really weird shit that he genuinely believes in without being scared of it. yes?


I don't like this post. It is filled to the brim with trepidation. Not the usual i don't give a fuck attitude that marv possess.
The post makes a solid conclusion even with all the parts where he is hinting for people to not listen to him. He basically has to say that at this point though because it is so obvious that VA is town. Blazinghand says the same thing in his very next post and any good player will be able to tell IMO. If marv hadn't de-tunnelled at this point it would have been super suspect.

I don't want to get into yet another tunnel on marv so early, but because of this post we should pay extra special attention to him.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 18 2013 03:24 GMT
#531
DP, since you're here, and I'm catching up with you...do you know off-hand which games contain similar Marv meltdowns as we saw today?

I know Personality was brought up...LVIII I think (where he was modkilled), and mebbe Rockband?
ATOBTTR
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:28 GMT
#532
OK i'm up to the part with marv/dandel shit fest. The only problem i have with marv's vote with dandel is not calling it a policy vote. Because that is what it is essentially.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:33 GMT
#533
On May 18 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote:
I'm kinda interested in DarthPunk. no real reason. say what you all?


What the fuck? Can you explain this at all.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:35 GMT
#534
On May 18 2013 12:24 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, since you're here, and I'm catching up with you...do you know off-hand which games contain similar Marv meltdowns as we saw today?

I know Personality was brought up...LVIII I think (where he was modkilled), and mebbe Rockband?


The game in which he was modkilled is a good one. Though not an insignificant time investment to read. Shit like that (raging) is basically super easy to fake though and marv is aware of his meta.

I would call it null personally.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:41 GMT
#535
On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote:
whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum.


Lynch dis man for justice!

##vote: Grush57
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:43 GMT
#536
On May 18 2013 11:26 iamperfection wrote:
i guess we have to treat you as town.

I implore you to drop the starsenses after this game make a thread dedicated to you shedding it once and for all


NO. HIs STARSENSES was basically dragged out of him kicking and screaming. Guy is scum. If he was town he would have said it straight up LIKE EVERY TOWN GAME OF HIS FOR ALL TIME.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 18 2013 03:44 GMT
#537
Well, anyway, while you're catching up...

Read your defense Stutters, we're cool for now.

My two scumspecs are sputnik and goodkarma

I agree with iamp and grush on sputnik. There is fuck all in his filter, he is being purposely evasive with his 'in character' speech, and then there was the 'credit to team' list of people who haven't contributed.

I feel better about goodkarma though, because of his latest posts

On May 18 2013 11:21 goodkarma wrote:
Regarding Stutters:

I'm satisfied with your explanation, Stutters, and will look closely at your promised analysis (please don't promise and not deliver like you did in our newbie game ).


Regarding Grush
As for Grush, I was of the opinion lynching someone because they don't say "starsenses" is pretty stupid. But then grush says:

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote:
whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum.


So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game...

All in all, this looks like a scumclaim. Further, his Vayne vote was an easy jump on a bandwagon I'd expect from scum. And the majority of his content after seems to be some kind of worthless trolly defense.

##Unvote: Stutters
##Vote: grush57


This case was unnecessary, first of all. It's like he wanted us all to see his ticket on the bandwagon was legit because he did some cursory legwork to get on it. He goes from debasing the entire reason for the lynch to fully buying in with break neck speed, based on a misrepresentation of the point grush was trying to get across.

Then this....holy shit

On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 11:30 iamperfection wrote:
gk want to vote jarjar?


Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell.


He asks why his vote would be anything more than a lurker vote, then provides a substantive point about how it would indeed not be just a lurker vote. This is so wishy-washy my clothes got clean just from reading it. He provides pros and cons until he argues himself into a wait and see corner.

Can we kill this guy? Follow me and grush into the abyss!

##unvote
##Vote goodkarma

ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 18 2013 03:46 GMT
#538
call me cray cray DP but I really think grush is town. get on goodkarma with me
ATOBTTR
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 18 2013 03:48 GMT
#539
On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 11:30 iamperfection wrote:
gk want to vote jarjar?


Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell.


I think a lot of it can also have to do with graduating into the big wide world of Normals. Takes some time adjusting to all the 'vets' posting about previous games and all the undertones in the byplay as we have all played with each other so much.

I'd be happiest to wait and see.

Also. Stutters is probably town. And to correct those who said he is useless lurker as town. That is not entirely true. Stutters can be very useful on those rare occasions that he does post. The trick is to just wait and read those few insights that he does provide.

I would begin to worry about stutters if he was 100% completely useless. Because normally he is 90% completely useless.

Also. @ blazinghand. It is wrong to view stutters as Kush, Kush can say profoundly retarded things. Stutters doesn't, he just lurks.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 18 2013 03:50 GMT
#540
Some people I'm interested in and looking into. Note because this is a phone post it's going to be more stream of conscious than definitive thoughts but the end of each section will kind of summarize how I got there.

Goodkarma: His second vote (on Grush) honestly felt like he was reaching to justify switching to the bandwagon but then his post on JJD seems really town and his points on me ers are definitely reasonable for d1 so I feel a bit better about that. Are you always so aggressive JK?

s0lstice: I'd still be down to lynch s0l supposing the hardcore lurkers pick up and don't seem super scummy.

He has asked 1 question before his "case" on me (how WoS could read DP so well).No a lot of contribution in addition to what caused my initial suspicion of him.

Then moving into his case, he restates GK's point on my Vayne post (understandable), but what gets me is his other point. He says I pulled my punches in pressuring him because I said I might be overthinking it yet in his next post about it he pulls his punches, so to speak, when he says it isn't a lot to go off of but it's d1 so it's enough. Feels awfully similar to what he was calling me out on as being scummy. Obviously open to change once I see more out of him but it felt really reaching to me.

I'll be here for a bit but those were the two people who really stood out to me.
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