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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On May 18 2013 12:43 DarthPunk wrote: NO. HIs STARSENSES was basically dragged out of him kicking and screaming. Guy is scum. If he was town he would have said it straight up LIKE EVERY TOWN GAME OF HIS FOR ALL TIME. he only had 2 votes on him you don't think he would drag it out a lot more as scum? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
iamp since you are here too....what do you think about what I said about goodkarma? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 18 2013 12:46 s0Lstice wrote: call me cray cray DP but I really think grush is town. get on goodkarma with me Nah. Goodkarma is someone I'm confident in my ability to read. If he is town he is too valuable to lynch day one. If he is scum then it will be obvious later. Sorry. This is like a meta thing. But goodkarma and I have a history. AS to your case. it was pretty average. Like what you said made sense, but it didn't really convince me of GK's alignment either way. That being said. You should check Grush's meta from like every town game of his ever. He always says STARSENSES early as town and unprompted. This game he didn't and it was dragged out of him. Furthermore his explanation that he will only use it to save himself as town from now on is fallacious as everyone will wagon him until he says it regardless. literally grush's only saving grace was the fact that he told the thread his alignment each game. This game he didn't say he was town until he was forced to. And he didn't like it. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On May 18 2013 12:56 s0Lstice wrote: Stutters, how do you feel about us being on the same target? iamp since you are here too....what do you think about what I said about goodkarma? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 18 2013 12:50 iamperfection wrote: he only had 2 votes on him you don't think he would drag it out a lot more as scum? Yes. I think he did drag it out a lot more. More than every town game of his I have ever seen. he was under duress. It became meaningless as a tell at that point. If he was town he would have said it straight up like always. If he was really not going to use it he would have said something before the game began. I am sure he is aware of how people read him. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
he (grush) didn't do it there. just like in that game, the way I eventually thought of him as town is that our reads were more or less lining up | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 18 2013 13:01 s0Lstice wrote: go look at SSB64, DP he (grush) didn't do it there. just like in that game, the way I eventually thought of him as town is that our reads were more or less lining up Can you link me the game? I can't find it. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=348072 | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
##unvote Can't make a case solely on meta if the meta doesn't hold up. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
what else you got? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
If GK was off the table who would you look at next? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 18 2013 13:00 DarthPunk wrote: Oh, just as an aside, if WoS thinks he can read me with meta he is wrong like everyone else. Never said it was meta, breh. Also HAI GUISE I BACK Holy fuck I leave for what like 6 hours and I come back to 10+ pages more of thread? Ugh. K first things first: I have no idea what the fuck went on in that shitstorm between dandel and marv so I'm just fucking ignoring it. Ok, good. Let's see. Sputnik still hasn't done shit, still scummy, k. Grush is town, if you vote him you're dumb, k. Ugh there's too many scumspects out there right now I have to re-read now and see who people think are scum 'cause I can't remember. Oh yeah JJD is one. Looks scum, but I'd put him in the same category as sputnik right now; I'd like to see more from him but right now he looks shit. Vote staying on sputnik though. Going back and reading. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange On May 18 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote: anyways, i gotta go to bed. apologies to anyone i riled and vice versa, but i think it came in useful. i think we have some really good targets for tomorrow. the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On May 18 2013 13:27 s0Lstice wrote: It'd be sputnik, and I'd feel ok about it. What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought. no its not You can tell if marv is town or scum by his investment to the game both emotionally and his literal contributions to the game. As scum he tends to ( not a rule) be much more ambivalent to the coming and going of the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=37#724 This is the best insight into a scum marv ever made. If marv gets lazy at any point we kill him no questions asked but his dandelion is a dick get angry say he isnt coming back come back and contribute all point to him more likely to be town | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On May 18 2013 12:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: Been following loosely on my phone most of the day. I see that I have some heat on me so I'm gonna catch up now. I'll try to post a defense for myself but I don't think there's really much of a case against me aside from lurking since I dont think I have more then 3 post right now. stay tuned i have been tuned in and have been disappointed as its now past my bed time Vote seems in a good spot right now | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up. I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile. Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
everyone look at goodkarma and what i wrote about him | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 18 2013 12:56 s0Lstice wrote: Stutters, how do you feel about us being on the same target? iamp since you are here too....what do you think about what I said about goodkarma? Reread what I said lol | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Alright looking at GK atm. On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote: It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? | ||
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