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yamato77
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Also, I will admit that my case on JJD isn't as strong as I'd like it to be, but for what it's worth he IS active lurking. Examining his filter, we see he has made 4 posts this game. Post one (link) is a bland hello post with some uninteresting information requests. On its own, not meaningful. Post two (link), a couple hours later, is a pointed/leading question with no followup asking grush about his read on sputnick. where is he leadking? Where are any reads or opinions? We never find out. Post three (link) comes telling us he's been reading the thread and promising more content and post four is his amazing followup 3 hours later (link) that basically says there's a lot of activity, he intends to sheep, and... he doesn't understand my change in stance on vayne? Like, I feel like the dude should have SOME opinions besides a question or a bland unmeaningful statement questioning the motives (but not saying anything) about my change of heart on VA. To clarify: at first, I thought VA's actions were completely unhelpful and antitown. After conversing with him a bit, I began to realize he actually seems to believe the crap he's talking about. I find it suspicious that you leave out this post (link), which I consider to be a pretty pivotal post in my interactions with VA. Although it comes after my unvote, it demonstrates a lot of my mindset about the guy: he simply doesn't get how the game works. When it comes down to it, JJD, for a guy who's been reading the thread and "following loosely"... three hours later, this deep into the day, you sure have nothing to say but vague, vague questions about a guy voting him, you sure seem uninterested in sharing your thoughts. You're definitely here, you're just choosing to lurk. This is what I mean by active lurking. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:01 yamato77 wrote: It could be that grush is town and WoS is scum trying to gain towncred for "being right" about grush. although this is possible, it's not a super reasonable and useful thing to draw associative tells between unflipped players. this is why the important thing isn't who makes cases on who, but the mindset and reasoning behind said cases. Currently WoS's defense of grush is unsubstantiated, and because we can't see a town mindset from which this defense would arise, what this means associatively is not relevant until a flip has taken place. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:04 s0Lstice wrote: All the same...do you know what I would do if I was in Marv's shoes? After all these games, the victories, the early NKs as town, the high win percentage as scum...with that Hapa case floating around out there, and (this is important) people around me itching to lynch me as the game goes on regardless of how I've played because as town I'm so rarely alive late into games.. I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up. I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile. Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is. Reading the thread atm. I'd quite like to know where you're going with this, because it's an awfully passive-aggressive way of trying to put suspicion on me. Your argument boils down to "marv was more polite than i expected" and you've managed to drag that out over numerous posts and paragraphs. You're also basically completely making up a narrative for a player who isn't you, and for a player you can't possibly understand. What gives? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
I don't like the JJD case. He is newly graduated to non-newbies and it can be intimidating which could explain the active lurking. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote: although this is possible, it's not a super reasonable and useful thing to draw associative tells between unflipped players. this is why the important thing isn't who makes cases on who, but the mindset and reasoning behind said cases. Currently WoS's defense of grush is unsubstantiated, and because we can't see a town mindset from which this defense would arise, what this means associatively is not relevant until a flip has taken place. Well his mindset seems to be to use his townread of grush to make people look bad, no? Kinda fits with how I see his posting. It certainly doesn't look like scum WoS defending scum Grush. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote: GK is obviously town. You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 18 2013 16:28 yamato77 wrote: I really hate reading Marv's filter. So much of it is devoted to being a complete dick, it's hard to discern his true alignment. I like his pursuit of BH, but he hasn't had the balls to stick to it for any lengthy amount of time. His fight with Dandel was completely stupid, based off of ass reasoning, and ultimately went nowhere. Other than that, he seems overly preoccupied with how people perceive how he's playing so far and rather sheepish in his most recent voting. Maybe we're seeing Marv from Personality rear his ugly head again, but I feel like he's playing like shit. I don't think scum Marv would play this way, however, so I guess he's town. I really don't like that this is the case. fuck off, yamato. you little twat. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:12 marvellosity wrote: You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself. Because he's tried harder this game to make his reads than you have? I think anyone reading the thread can see GK is obviously putting in effort. I misremembered gigyas' efforts in LXI. After I died, I looked at his filter and realized he really wasn't trying all that hard. It was all a product of a terrible tunnel I was in. Do I seem to be tunneling this game, Marv? You can fuck off with your comments about my play. Unless you think GK is scum, you have no reasoning to question me. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote: Well his mindset seems to be to use his townread of grush to make people look bad, no? Kinda fits with how I see his posting. It certainly doesn't look like scum WoS defending scum Grush. I don't view this as a productive way to think about it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players because I haven't seen it end well. Specifically regarding WoS: I could lynch WoS just for this post because of how far he is reaching. But my reads this game aren't as On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? this post is like bad and scummy in every way. Whatever you want to say about GK, the fact that he was the first person to question the VA wagon doesn't make him scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
no, I wouldn't. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Perhaps, but if you would, this is also what you'd say! | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:14 Blazinghand wrote: I don't view this as a productive way to think about it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players because I haven't seen it end well. Specifically regarding WoS: I could lynch WoS just for this post because of how far he is reaching. But my reads this game aren't as this post is like bad and scummy in every way. Whatever you want to say about GK, the fact that he was the first person to question the VA wagon doesn't make him scum. Yeah I wrote about that exact post. It was the thing that made me first look at WoS. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
DP, do you ever learn?  | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:14 Blazinghand wrote: I don't view this as a productive way to think about it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players because I haven't seen it end well. Specifically regarding WoS: I could lynch WoS just for this post because of how far he is reaching. But my reads this game aren't as this post is like bad and scummy in every way. Whatever you want to say about GK, the fact that he was the first person to question the VA wagon doesn't make him scum. I can get behind that analysis. I'm not drawing conclusions about grush's alignment necessarily, but I do think it seems more likely that his read of grush comes from a scum mindset, regardless of grush's alignment. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:15 Blazinghand wrote: wow I was gonna delete the sentence where i look like an unconfident zerg player but i accidentally left it in. WELP ORLY? You scum BH? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:16 marvellosity wrote: oh, I finally got up to where DP made a stupid caselet on me based on my vote jumping around, exactly like the ones he's done in my last 3 towngames. DP, do you ever learn? If you read that post you read the start. Where i say i didn't want to do that again.  Blame fucking Yamato for baiting me. LOL | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Look, I don't think you're scum, so we can quit with the being angry shtick. | ||
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