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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 23 2012 22:27 GMT
#541
On May 24 2012 07:24 Zealos wrote:
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On May 24 2012 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.

Acid who would you kill today?


I'm not surprised.

So are you still down with killing one of Zealos/Tunkeg?

##Vote: Zealos

I prefer Zealos myself, for the reasons I've stated. I have a sneaking suspicion however that you prefer Tunkeg, am I right?

y b voting for a Townie


Y B lying Scum?
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:30 GMT
#542
On May 24 2012 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 07:24 Zealos wrote:
On May 24 2012 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.

Acid who would you kill today?


I'm not surprised.

So are you still down with killing one of Zealos/Tunkeg?

##Vote: Zealos

I prefer Zealos myself, for the reasons I've stated. I have a sneaking suspicion however that you prefer Tunkeg, am I right?

y b voting for a Townie


Y B lying Scum?

U B the one spreadin' lies.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
May 23 2012 22:31 GMT
#543
Day 2
[image loading]


GreYMisT searched his hand, and found the card he needed. he played the EchelonTee, the Useless Sliver, in the hopes that he could rally more to its cause. He knew that in high numbers, Useless slivers could be deadly, and route these Goblins.

Artanis shouted "You Fool! My Goblins will destroy your pathetic creatures!"

He smacked down and attacked with a hasted goblin, and GreYMisT chose to sacrifice EchelonTee to save his life.

EchelonTee, the Useless Sliver was Destroyed!

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Vanilla Townie - You are just an ordinary citizen of the town of Liquidia, you are terrified of the mafia, and must strive to weed them out before the exterminate you and your fellow citizens. Every day you may vote for who you want to see lynched. Your wits and your votes will carry the town to glorious victory or shameful defeat.


It is now Day 2! The day ends in 48 hours, on Friday, May 25 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 23 2012 22:32 GMT
#544
Stop posting like 5 year olds and read my case.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
May 23 2012 22:32 GMT
#545
My apologizes for the delayed Post, While I was waiting to post it something came up that I had to run off and adress
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:36 GMT
#546
On May 24 2012 07:32 HiroPro wrote:
Stop posting like 5 year olds and read my case.

Your case makes no sense whatsoever. But that might just be me.
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 23 2012 22:43 GMT
#547
Thanks for the input, Tunkeg's scumbuddy.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:43 GMT
#548
On May 24 2012 07:43 HiroPro wrote:
Thanks for the input, Tunkeg's scumbuddy.

I don't understand the reasoning at all. His number one read died, why does that make him scum exactly?
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:44 GMT
#549
If anything it would make it harder for him, as he'll have to find a different target?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 23 2012 22:44 GMT
#550
On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:
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On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum

So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:

1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.

2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.

3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.

4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.

ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2.



Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh.

##Vote Tunkeg


This makes no sense whatsoever.
'better still, a satisfied man'
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:45 GMT
#551
On May 24 2012 07:44 froggynoddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum

So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:

1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.

2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.

3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.

4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.

ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2.



Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh.

##Vote Tunkeg


This makes no sense whatsoever.

He also Tunkeg's scumbuddy hiro?
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 23 2012 22:50 GMT
#552
This entire game Tunkeg has been posting useless stuff. When his scumread dies he can just claim that he needs think about his reads and reevaluate them. All he's going to do is jump on a wagon with some minimal reasoning.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:51 GMT
#553
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 23 2012 22:51 GMT
#554
On May 24 2012 07:50 HiroPro wrote:
This entire game Tunkeg has been posting useless stuff. When his scumread dies he can just claim that he needs think about his reads and reevaluate them. All he's going to do is jump on a wagon with some minimal reasoning.

Surely it would be easier to leave his number one scumread alive and just keep repeating what he's already said no?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 23 2012 22:52 GMT
#555
WHY ME T_T

GG
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
May 23 2012 22:55 GMT
#556
On May 24 2012 02:24 Mattchew wrote:
The wizard's spellbook was full of burning questions.
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:
will probably present my thoughts tomorrow.
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:10 Navillus wrote:
NT I have a semi-strong town read on
Why


Mostly because of how aggressive and forward he was with his reads and who he wanted to lynch at the beginning of the game. That usually is a town trait and looking to his posting later on he continues with his aggressive play and reads without seeming too random or inconsistent which scum usually fall into when they play like this. In addition I just haven't seen much in his posts that seems too scum* to me, most of the cases on him seem to be for bad cases or poor logic and one of the things that I am most sure of in mafia is that using poor logic is absolutely not a scum-tell unless you can show that they should be playing differently, (basically unless WBG or VE start making terrible cases it's not a scum-tell) and given how vocal he is and how much pressure is on him I would expect to see much more things that actually make me think scum-agenda from him if he were scum.

*There is one rather important caveat here, while rereading him I noticed that aside from his focus on his own meta that I've already commented on he also just gets very defensive overall which makes me less sure of him being townie than I would have been, this is a reservation but not enough to throw away my overall read. Also VE I did not see the change in play that you were pointing to with him, he seems to be playing "the jester" just as much now as he had been before.

So Mattchew I answered your question, now I have one for you, you posted your reads on everyone (which btw was very helpful and thank you for that) but I'm particularly curious about your reads on WBG and VE, you say you think they're both town because you don't think they would "play this way as scum" but you also would change that opinion if they live too long. First I'd like you just to explain a little more specifically what way they're playing that makes you think they're town, you seem to think that they're both very good (per you saying that you might change your read just because scum let them live) so how can you be so sure on them. Also as a comment I think it's a bad idea to let your reads be effected so much by what the scum do with them, it seems like it would be a cop-out to actual behavioral analysis, sounds like "I'll just assume they're town, if they get shot obviously we'll see what they are, if not they must be scum for not getting shot".

Also please post on each of them separately even if it takes separate posts and more time, it's problematic when people and reads on people start getting grouped together, it lets scum just pair up with and act a bit like a townie without having to worry as long as the person people associate with them is obv-town.




Wrote this up a little bit ago and just saw the day-post, I'm gonna look through ET's posts from yesterday, if scum didn't shoot a vet which apparently is the standard here they probably had a specific reason to want to get him out of the way, even if not confirmed townie's thoughts should be useful. On the stuff going on now I like both tunkeg and zealos for scum. And that feels wrong to me, it's unlikely we pick out two scum this early in day two without any connections from others, I had a scummy read on tunkeg from very early but since then nothing's lit up from him, zealos on the other hand has been getting steadily worse, I'm gonna look through both but right now I would prefer zealos.

Also Hiro what the hell does that even mean?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 23 2012 22:55 GMT
#557
Hiro, your case is pretty bad, I'll summarize it here:

- Pre-game, claimed he wanted to change up his style
- Attempting to appear useful and active while not contributing himself
- His scumread died overnight.

First of all, Tunkeg's assertion that his style would be different this game is not indicative of his alignment as he said it (as far as I know) before the roles went out. Are you saying he said this BEFORE he knew he was scum IN CASE he rolled scum so he could subvert his scum meta? That's a stretch, I don't care how you look at it.

Second, I'm not sure why you attempt to discredit his case against ET, but it seemed well enough thought out, and the points he raised were pretty valid - I had to go back and reread ET to find out if I missed something after reading his case. Yet all you have to say about the case is the following:

In his case, HiroPro wrote:
As for his "case" against ET, lol. Apparently, in Tunkeg world, being an active poster who pressures people is a scum trait. Tunkeg is a faker.


All he does is hard-defend ET here - not refute Tunkeg's points or even address the case at all...only buddy up to the one Tunkeg was attacking. That's it. So why was it bad exactly? Do you disagree with his points? Why?

And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!").
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 23 2012 22:56 GMT
#558
On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads.


Oh I see. Apparently posting cases and reads on the people I think are scum is a scummy thing. Maybe I should go after people I think are town, the way you do?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2012 23:05 GMT
#559
Since when did you get so aggressive, Hiro? This isn't how I remember you playing.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2012 23:07 GMT
#560
On May 24 2012 07:12 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch

I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched.

Not to mention he was a useless town anyway.


Convenient, then, that you decided not to spend the time looking for scum and instead deferred doing so until after the lynch.

##Vote: Zealos
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