Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia - Page 30

On May 24 2012 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
And notice my 2nd part, darling.

On May 24 2012 08:26 Zealos wrote:

So the one thing I have done that is actually scummy is that I didnt have cases on day1?

He's got me guys, looks like I'm gonna die.

On May 24 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:


The one thing? you're handily forgetting my entire case preceding this.

This is just the red cherry on top of your sweet red scum head.

On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.

Acid who would you kill today?

On May 24 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
wherebugsgo

I realized after my back and forth with Bugs and Hiro that I'm allowing my emotions to rule the way I look at the game. As a result, I've gone back to try and objectively look at the people I'm suspicious of. But as soon as I opened up wherebugsgo and started reading his filter, I realized that this post would ultimately be about wherebugsgo (more specifically, about his first post).

I took a look at his advice post. I have to say, I'm a little disturbed with what I saw. Generally I overlook posts like this when they come from veteran players, mainly because it's typically common sense stuff that I at least am already aware of and have read several times every game. So, admittedly, when I was defending Bugs for posting this initially, I was doing so having not fully read the actual post. That being said, all in all none of what he gives is TERRIBLE advice (in general) but I have a couple of problems with some of his advice.

5. Medics/JK: don't bluehunt, just protect the most sensible townies.

At first, I thought this sounded pretty good, but then I thought about the source: who is likely to be the most "sensible townie" at the end of the day? I'll give you a hint - it's an anagram of George W Bush. Regardless of alignment, wherebugsgo is going to be playing like a vanilla townie. Why? Because as a town blue-role, that's the most successful way to play. As scum, that's the most successful way to play. As any role imaginable, that's the most successful way to play. wherebugsgo is a very crafty individual, and so to me #5 actually reads something like "don't bluehunt, just protect me" based on the knowledge I have of wherebugsgo's typical play. If he had said this at the end of the day, I wouldn't have blinked...but saying it at the beginning of the day, planting the notion right at the outset of the game comes across as playing with an agenda.

6. Vigis: don't be MrZentor (case in point: Game of Thrones)

Again, having cohosted GoT I was aware of what he was talking about so I didn't really think about the implications of this piece of advice. However, upon reflection, this feels really out of place in the rest of his (semi-reasonable) advice. Look at the tone: in the points previous when directing blue roles, he gave fairly sound reasoning behind saying the things he is - but not when directing the vigs. He left it up to the reader to discover the reasoning (giving a player and a game and expecting the reader to do the legwork).

This is similar to a scum tactic I'm always looking for - bloating up their perceived activity while simultaneously causing the accuser to look bad for "not reading" - "L2READ N00B I answered that already" instead of simply repeating what was already said in an earnest attempt to be understood.

Anyway, all general advice and all stuff most of you should know, but read it over anyway.

This has been touched on by others, but I'd like to reiterate that if this was all "general advice and all stuff most of you should know", then why post it in the first place and why instruct everyone to "read it anyway"? The obvious answer, as Nova_Terra would tell you (again) is "Because he could be scum pushing an agenda"…which is precisely what I think is going on.

Is it possible that it's just a coincidence that scum went blue-hunting last night? Sure, it's possible…but it's my belief that it was planned from the beginning that scum weren't going to be aiming for analysts or "townies making sense" last night - they were going to be blue-hunting last night.

Is it possible that Bugs was just trying to make a light-hearted jab at MrZentor (someone not even playing this game) in his advice to Vigs? Sure that's possible, but not likely considering A) Zentor isn't in this game and B) given the tone of the rest of his post (cold, analytical advice), the "joke" seems out of place.

That brings us to his word of advice concerning dealing with VE.

I don't support policy lynching but I do agree we should keep an eye on VE because his play can be quite erratic. If he's the focus of attention as either alignment it becomes very difficult to discern what he is. So for now I think we should look elsewhere so we don't have that problem, and let VE decide for himself what he wants to do.

The thing that gets me is the disconnect between the two bolded statements. If everyone is "keeping an eye on me" then I'm going to be the focus of attention. But if I'm the focus of attention, I'll be "more difficult to read" yeah? Ultimately, he says to "look elsewhere", but not before already casting the shadow of doubt on me in his very first post. So yeah, even this is suspect to me, and NOT because it's about me. Because it's contradictory and doesn't make any sense.

##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: wherebugsgo

Let's do this bugs. Not later. Now. If we both live until tomorrow this is happening anyway, so let's just get it over with. I think you're scum. It's your turn to think I'm scum and vote for me.

On May 24 2012 12:47 VisceraEyes wrote:


Unless you wanna drop the act and come talk to me about why, then mind your business...this is between me and the jerk.

Let's do this bugs. Not later. Now. If we both live until tomorrow this is happening anyway, so let's just get it over with. I think you're scum. It's your turn to think I'm scum and vote for me.

On May 24 2012 13:49 wherebugsgo wrote:


So it's clear that you WANT me to retaliate and call you scum?

Well, I could, but then what would happen? The thread would explode, discussion would be quelled, and even if you flip scum there still wouldn't be much forward progress.

Most of that post is just stretching to the extreme. I find it hard to believe that a townie would do such a thing, but you have done equally, if not more perplexing things before as town. For example, listing Ace and myself as your top 2 scumreads in liar game simply because you didn't like our playstyles. Or saving sandro just cause you felt like a rebel.

So, if you are indeed scum, I'd rather just kill all your buddies first, and then leave you for last. Why? Since, if you are indeed scum, you'll be a bit more afraid to shoot me. Why else would you be concerned about balance? I've never heard you use a balance argument before as town and I would never have expected you to start now.

I'm going to wait on Acid to respond to my posts. As long as you're trying to kill me though, I'm going to ignore you from now on, though. Sadly I don't have a gun or I'd have talked with that instead of words.