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Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 03 2012 23:10 GMT
#501
Hiro would you be so kind to post your reads on omnom, solohan and strong
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
April 03 2012 23:19 GMT
#502
Omnom is my strongest scum read. He defends himself purely by saying that you are not cop and are a bad person. The reads he has given make him seem very scummy because a lot of them focus purely on what he thinks of them personally.

Solohan formed a very illogical case against you and I don't trust the motivations behind him saying that Therapist was his friend. He looks scummy to me.

I am unsure on strong. He is definetely focusing on finding mafia and forming cases, which leads me to believe that he is town. But certain posts, such as the one he made on Foolishness don't make sense to me because he's arguing a mixture of things that we already know to be true (Foolishness is town) and things that are WIFOM and just plain distracting.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 03 2012 23:28 GMT
#503
(non-aggressively) What are you waiting for to vote him?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
April 03 2012 23:31 GMT
#504
##Vote: omnomMuffins
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 03 2012 23:33 GMT
#505
Can you elaborate on why you initially thought marvel was scum, and what you think about him now?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
April 03 2012 23:40 GMT
#506
Marvel made a vote on FourFace, who was acting completely like town, albeit a little over-the-top. FourFace was also a person who looked like a leader, and those are the kind of people that mafia try to get rid of.

Since then, marvel has made good reads, posted very clearly, and focused on scum hunting. I think it is unlikely for marvel to be mafia.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 03 2012 23:50 GMT
#507
Hiro, could you please outline your case on omnom a little more? I find he has less negative points than Kohbee does.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 03 2012 23:53 GMT
#508
Who I would like to hear from

KB - opinions on solohan, hiropro and marvel

Marvel - opinions on strong, omnom, and hiropro

Strong - opinions on hiropro, solohan and marvel

Solohan - opinions on hiropro, strong and marvel

Omnom - opinions on solohan, hiropro and KB
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
April 04 2012 00:28 GMT
#509
On April 04 2012 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
Hiro, could you please outline your case on omnom a little more? I find he has less negative points than Kohbee does.



The biggest thing against omnom for me is that he seems to not care about actually looking for scum. The quotes are from omnom's posts arguing against FourFace and Kohbee.


Don't really want to play with people with his attitude, it isn't helpful even if he is town.



His reaction with the umadbro post was just very silly and immature, not something that someone that is trying to lead should be doing. That helped solidify my thoughts that he is not actually cop, though as stated, no one actually knows if there is a cop.



Should people be posting rudely? No. But posting rudely has nothing to do with being mafia. While not looking for mafia is definiteley a characteristic of scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 04 2012 00:40 GMT
#510
On April 04 2012 09:28 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
Hiro, could you please outline your case on omnom a little more? I find he has less negative points than Kohbee does.



The biggest thing against omnom for me is that he seems to not care about actually looking for scum. The quotes are from omnom's posts arguing against FourFace and Kohbee.


Show nested quote +
Don't really want to play with people with his attitude, it isn't helpful even if he is town.



Show nested quote +
His reaction with the umadbro post was just very silly and immature, not something that someone that is trying to lead should be doing. That helped solidify my thoughts that he is not actually cop, though as stated, no one actually knows if there is a cop.



Should people be posting rudely? No. But posting rudely has nothing to do with being mafia. While not looking for mafia is definiteley a characteristic of scum.


While I agree with you, it just feels like Kohbee has done it more. Certainly Kohbee was giving as good as he got in the last one, and Fourface was being a total douche at the time.

I will have to go over the filters again, I went over everyone's about 8 or 9 hours ago (whenever i posted on kohbee) but tells may have come up in the meanwhile. My notes say I had a pretty null read on omnom at the time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 04 2012 00:50 GMT
#511
On April 04 2012 08:53 Kohbee wrote:
Who I would like to hear from

KB - opinions on solohan, hiropro and marvel


Now that's getting somewhere. Nice to see you actually putting some effort into coordinating people

My opinions for you, sir:
I honestly haven't thought all that much about HiroPro yet, but after some reading he sounds like someone who puts a good amount of quality control into his posts and only contributes if there is something sensible/new to say, which I at times missed among other participants of this game, but his self-limitation goes not too far into the luking direction, so there's definitely some town vibes in there. Also appreciates some of my posting, but that's no towntell but a personal matter

On marvellosity I have a null read overall, the reason for this being that he doesn't behave like obvious scum (obvious scum being lurking, posting bad reads etc.) but not like obvious town either. If he happens to be scum, my gut instinct would suspect his buddy to be you, because he basically saved you in the Great Voting Craze™ by putting Therapist up one vote. This doesn't make him scum automatically though because I had basically exactly the same thought processes up to this point, believing Therapist to be one of the most scummy persons around. (And I'm a townie, right? )

My view on Solohan50 has not changed since the last time I wrote about it. Reading his filter (which is easy, since it's the shortest of all) I found his case on you less than compelling to say the least (It centers on your vote cast in the very beginning of the game). Add to that the fact that he refused to take the vote off of you in the Great Voting Craze™ and it could well be that there's a scum member wanting to finish a blue somewhere in there. Either that, or he's a very zealous townie which could backfire in other lynch votes later on. The only case I'm really excluding from my considerations there is that you are both scum, because he could have easily changed his vote around during that mess and therefore made sure to get a townie with it. This was however worked out by FourFace before, I just now caught that while re-reading the thread.
On April 02 2012 21:57 FourFace wrote:
7-10 minutes before the lynch my brain worked out this genuinely true piece of information judging by the constellation of the votes:

Kohbee&Solohan50
Kohbee&strongandbig
Kohbee&Therapist

.. can't possibly be THE scumpair.
This means that you actually have a slight town read in my book, believe it or not. However, nothing is confirmed just yet and all my opinions are subject to change if someone objects in an eloquent and non-scummy manner.

tl;dr: ##Vote: Solohan50

P.S.
After finishing up this tremendous wall of text, I would invite omnomMuffins along to join our discussion as it finally has gotten the chance to get a little more civilised and the chance to get hit by randomly flying accusations has slightly lowered.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 04 2012 01:40 GMT
#512
I am 100% sure that Solohan50 is scum.

I am not 100% about omnom. More like 65%.

Solohan50 slipped here as I tried to point out.

On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. When that failed, he roleclaimed and bandwagoned a townie right at the end of the day. On top of that, the townie he lynched was one of the most vocal anti-Kohbee players in the thread short of FourFace.


Can anyone honestly read this and say that he is talking about the same person in the first and second sentences? He is clearly talking about hiropro in the first sentence and therapist in the 2nd and 3rd. He knows that Hiropro is a townie because he is scum.

He then realizes this and tries to post this as an excuse
On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote:
I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim.

weak OMGUS(at reading).

Also, in the off chance that he is not lying here and he is refering to therapist in the first sentence as well, his case is such forced garbage. To say I had spent the whole day trying to lynch Therapist is a straight up lie and the laziest case ever made (which he has now tried to carry to day2).
For proof. I had 2 posts about therapist being scum which were (as I have explained) more to shut him up about my vote on hiro.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 01 2012 03:38 Kohbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 03:10 Therapist. wrote:
##Vote: Kohbee

You were my second scum team member. Thanks for confirming with me


On April 01 2012 03:55 Kohbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 03:51 Therapist. wrote:
Kohbee tries to act like he's confirmed two scum in his mind from the start. Why would he be so aggressive in calling people out as scum so early in the game if he were not trying to lead people away from himself and his partner? Hiropro may very well be scum, I have no idea. I know I'm not. I think more people need to call out Kohbee and see what he's really made of.

I don't talk to scum


Later on I even said we should be looking at marvel and strong (no mention of therapist)

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2012 05:10 Kohbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:58 Solohan50 wrote:
Before the game started, Kohbee was overflowing at the mouth. He was posting lengthy diatribes while going back and forth with FourFace. Once the game started, however, he started with an immediate vote with very little reasoning. Two paragraphs about whether memes and SC2 jokes should be included in a game of Mafia, following by a ##vote with almost no explanation? I find this change of style very suspicious. He has continued the trend of talking very little throughout this thread, as well as flip-flopping on the vote and causing us to lose one of our big tell moments. Because of this, I'm casting my vote for Kohbee.

##Vote: Kohbee

but i got what i wanted out of hiro which was a townie response.

I haven't had much to say.

I am thinking right now we should be voting marvel or strongandbig


then you can look at the rest of my posts "spending the whole day trying to lynch a townie"
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2012 05:37 Kohbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:35 FourFace wrote:
what the hell
EBWOP:

On April 02 2012 05:18 Mattchew wrote:
He reacted as I would as town.


Is that a scumslip? He reacted as you would if you were town, meaning you're scum?

no. can we get back to talking about marvel and therapist

QUOTE]On April 02 2012 05:20 Kohbee wrote:
I KEEP FUCKING DOING THIS. OK LEAVING HIS ROOM

quoting for filter

On April 02 2012 05:18 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:15 FourFace wrote:
I think we can get back to the discussion now.

Would it be too late to start voting for Hiro?

its not too late for anyone. I don't think hiro is scum and I think his reaction to my vote was that of one who doesn't care about being voted for. He reacted as I would as town.

Marvel and the rapist should be who we are looking at


On April 02 2012 05:49 Kohbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:40 KharadBanar wrote:
On April 02 2012 04:51 FourFace wrote:
FourFace: meh, you got nothing on me. But if you get something try not to talk gibberish and explain every aspect of your allegations like you're telling it to an alien from K-Pax. Saying stuff like I'm not consistent and that's a minor scumtell is just driving me nuts because I have to think for the guy who accused me.

Wait what? Are you accusing yourself? Or are you talking to me?
And yes that's right, I got nothing on you. But not a strong town read either. It's entirely possible that a scum wants to get himself into the leading position of the town (I did this in one game IRL and it worked great). Also, your aggressive behaviour makes constructive argumentation not exactly easier.

Now to some other things: At the moment I'm leaning Therapist, because he still hasn't gone off his Kohbee vote yet, whom I have marked as pretty townish in my mind.
Kohbee: You stated that marvellosity and strongandbig are good vote targets. Care to elaborate?

##Vote: Therapist

This is not final yet, but I am too distracted to 100% think right now (LAN party -.-)

tbh I don't have any strong scum reads. Mostly I have a few town reads who I will not let get lynched today. Other than that Idk, all 3 of strong marvel and therapist are good lynches imo today

##vote therapist
[/QUOTE]
You can even see that I didn't even vote him till around 4 hours before lynch!

Solohan50 is scum

##unvote
##vote solohan50
Solohan50
Profile Joined March 2012
37 Posts
April 04 2012 01:47 GMT
#513
KB, since you're the second person to say that my case against Kohbee doesn't make sense, I'll try rephrasing it to see if it helps get my point across. If not, then perhaps I'm incorrect and need to rethink my position. The reasons I think that Kohbee is the most logical Mafia pick are the following:

- He was the #1 suspect on Day 1 (he was up two votes, 4-2, until the roleclaim).
- One of his loud critics, Therapist, was mis-lynched because of the last minute roleclaim. Since Therapist was the second choice for the Day 1 lynch (behind Kohbee), the roleclaim was a good way to spread confusion and get the second choice lynched.
- Kohbee's loudest critic, FourFace, was killed immediately after Therapist. While FourFace's lack of spam may help Town a bit, FourFace was also Kohbee's most outspoken enemy and it would be in Kohbee's interest to have him taken out. Having your most vocal opponent taken out would certainly be useful, especially when other people disliked FourFace as well and probably wouldn't mourn his loss (at least one person voted for FourFace just out of spite because of his spam). On top of that, "Kohbee vs Fourface v2" (as KB so eloquently put it) started immediately after, clogging up the thread even more.

The reason I seem to focus on Kohbee so much is that he's the only read that I really have right now. I've posted what I've gleaned from other players, but mostly I've just been able to find people that I'm relatively certain are town (like KB). I'm also well aware that my single-mindedness may come around and bite me. If I was worried about that, I would've jumped on the Therapist bandwagon like everyone else, especially when it was clear that Kohbee was going to live. I even reaffirmed my choice despite the risk near the end of the vote, because I believe that Kohbee has the strongest chance of being Mafia.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 04 2012 01:51 GMT
#514
and poof.. just like that.. hes back
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 04 2012 01:55 GMT
#515
Kohbee, I disagree with your entire point about Therapist/HiroPro. As far as I understood Solohan, he was clearly talking about Therapist in his post. Therefore his 2nd post was not an excuse.

You then go on to 'explain' that you were not going after Therapist the whole day, before then demonstrating you kinda were. You say your first two posts were to "shut him up" - nonetheless you made them, and you made them in a non-productive, pointless way. Then as you point out yourself as well, you say 3 times later on that we should be looking at therapist, and then you vote for him.

If a vote for him plus mentioning you think he's scummy AT least 5 times doesn't warrant Solohan saying you were on therapist's back all day, I don't know what does.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Solohan50
Profile Joined March 2012
37 Posts
April 04 2012 01:56 GMT
#516
On April 04 2012 06:25 omnomMuffins wrote:
Also on a totally side note to Solohan50.

I'm heading out to Vegas this weekend for IPL. Is it shorts weather there yet?


When I was there on Saturday, you could've definitely gotten by with shorts in the day. If the weather was anything like where I broke down at though, shorts would suck at night. To be fair though, we got stuck at the top of the big hill/mountain that's right past the Cali/Nevada border on the I-15S. The altitude difference might make a large difference in the temperature, but it was cold as hell and super windy at night at the place I was stuck at. I was only in town long enough to load up a trailer, grab dinner, and then get out of town.
omnomMuffins
Profile Joined July 2011
United States255 Posts
April 04 2012 02:11 GMT
#517
On April 04 2012 10:56 Solohan50 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 06:25 omnomMuffins wrote:
Also on a totally side note to Solohan50.

I'm heading out to Vegas this weekend for IPL. Is it shorts weather there yet?


When I was there on Saturday, you could've definitely gotten by with shorts in the day. If the weather was anything like where I broke down at though, shorts would suck at night. To be fair though, we got stuck at the top of the big hill/mountain that's right past the Cali/Nevada border on the I-15S. The altitude difference might make a large difference in the temperature, but it was cold as hell and super windy at night at the place I was stuck at. I was only in town long enough to load up a trailer, grab dinner, and then get out of town.


So skirts and shorts on the strip, got it thanks


Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#518
On April 04 2012 10:55 marvellosity wrote:
Kohbee, I disagree with your entire point about Therapist/HiroPro. As far as I understood Solohan, he was clearly talking about Therapist in his post. Therefore his 2nd post was not an excuse.

You then go on to 'explain' that you were not going after Therapist the whole day, before then demonstrating you kinda were. You say your first two posts were to "shut him up" - nonetheless you made them, and you made them in a non-productive, pointless way. Then as you point out yourself as well, you say 3 times later on that we should be looking at therapist, and then you vote for him.

If a vote for him plus mentioning you think he's scummy AT least 5 times doesn't warrant Solohan saying you were on therapist's back all day, I don't know what does.


5 posts. 2 of which call him scum. 2 of which just ask people to talk about him.

3 of which were in the last 20% of day 1

I am sorry but you are just wrong

Your soft defense of solo is noted
omnomMuffins
Profile Joined July 2011
United States255 Posts
April 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#519
On April 04 2012 08:53 Kohbee wrote:

Omnom - opinions on solohan, hiropro and KB



My read on HiroPro keeps flip flopping. Sometimes he seems town, other times he seems mafia (I hate the word scum, it reminds me of the stuff on top of swamps). Currently I'm reading a little harder on mafia, though that could just be because he missed reading a post of yours earlier (the one with all your reads), which he might have actually missed instead of "missed".

KB I think is clean and probably the biggest voice of reason in the thread. He is keeping us from ripping each others throats out.

Solohan, no solid read so far. Though the times when he posts always seem to be after a threat, he could just be coincidentally returning at that time or just staying to protect himself. I wouldn't want to lynch him off of that fact alone.



On a side note, I love the casting of the Red Witch for this season in the Game of Thrones. I don't know why I am adding this, but my fiance hasn't read the books so I can't gush to him about these things and I am rather exploding with it.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#520
btw solo are you or therapist irl friends with anyone else in the game?
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