• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:32
CEST 07:32
KST 14:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High14Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes193BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps! Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Old rep packs of BW legends ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 1 [ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why can't Americans stop ea…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1601 users

Smuft's Team Battle Tourney - Page 24

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 60 Next
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 05 2010 03:28 GMT
#461
On April 05 2010 12:26 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2010 03:45 Xeris wrote:
On April 05 2010 03:39 _rdm_ wrote:
I think its hard to accept but at the moment usa is behind the rest of the servers. Idra could have said it more tactfully but from my experience his observations hold a lot of truth.


not sure how you can make that assumption when hardly any US players are playing with EU people... even Artosis himself admitted that he hasn't actually played the Euros yet.

Doesn't he play Zotac every week? Or is that someone on his account?


I Dunno ... I just read in an interview him saying he had no experience vs Euro players, but I could be wrong?
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
ScrapUSA
Profile Joined February 2010
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 03:35:49
April 05 2010 03:33 GMT
#462
Whether IdrA plays on every server or not, or whether he thinks he is some amazing figure in SC2, he has proved hardly anything. The best we have seen him so far is in the Smuft tourney. In almost every other tournament we have seen him in, he hasn't even made it to the finals often.

Another problem I have with IdrA is that no matter how the hell he loses it is always cheese. For example, when Lz played him in the final of some tournament, lz fast expanded, and went for an semi-early marine/scv push. Sure, he pulled about 6 scvs to make a push, but how in the world is that a cheese... it is AFTER he has already expanded. Whether it is IdrA being IdrA or not, he needs to get over himself at some point in time, and it would be nice if he did it before sc2 was released.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 05 2010 03:41 GMT
#463
IdrA is arguably one of the top SC2 players at the moment... nothing wrong with that, he's REALLY good. I just think it's a mistake to compare US -> EU -> Asia server comparative skills when there really haven't been any inter-server competitions, aside from maybe 4-5 players who play on multiple servers...
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
G4MR
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States371 Posts
April 05 2010 03:52 GMT
#464
So where's the replay pack?
www.G4MR.net personal blog!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 05 2010 03:54 GMT
#465
On April 05 2010 12:33 ScrapUSA wrote:
Whether IdrA plays on every server or not, or whether he thinks he is some amazing figure in SC2, he has proved hardly anything. The best we have seen him so far is in the Smuft tourney. In almost every other tournament we have seen him in, he hasn't even made it to the finals often.

Another problem I have with IdrA is that no matter how the hell he loses it is always cheese. For example, when Lz played him in the final of some tournament, lz fast expanded, and went for an semi-early marine/scv push. Sure, he pulled about 6 scvs to make a push, but how in the world is that a cheese... it is AFTER he has already expanded. Whether it is IdrA being IdrA or not, he needs to get over himself at some point in time, and it would be nice if he did it before sc2 was released.

dude if he didn't find an excuse to why he's losing, his life would crumbles, it all revolves around that
Rothbardian
Profile Joined January 2010
United States497 Posts
April 05 2010 04:11 GMT
#466
On April 05 2010 09:59 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2010 04:40 _rdm_ wrote:
On April 05 2010 03:45 Xeris wrote:
On April 05 2010 03:39 _rdm_ wrote:
I think its hard to accept but at the moment usa is behind the rest of the servers. Idra could have said it more tactfully but from my experience his observations hold a lot of truth.


not sure how you can make that assumption when hardly any US players are playing with EU people... even Artosis himself admitted that he hasn't actually played the Euros yet.


I have played with both parties and I have also watched many recs from both parties, I am simply saying that I agree with the statement Idra has made, not with the approach he took to making it though.

that makes absolutely no fucking sense. you agree that americans are bad europeans are cheesy and asians are better, and you think its fine to make that opinion public, but its not ok to say it bluntly? how fucking stupid is that.


IdrA, just think for a moment what you are saying. You heard it here first folks, IdrA admitted he sucks. I can go down the list of Tournaments where IdrA was eliminated fairly quickly, and then the ones where he didn't even make it to the Finals of US Tournaments.

IdrA you make Scrooge look like a saint.
"A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state." - Isabel Paterson <3
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
April 05 2010 05:03 GMT
#467
always about idra, let the boy talk and be a smartass, you're a good player but you have no brainssssss, you're a sore loser and a bm douche. as louder said all you do is one build over and over. you nerd rage every game you lose saying how cheesy people are even when they beat you in a straight up mirror match. last time we played you made a lot of sense "it's ridiculous how being bad wins games" or some shit, cuz i transfered drones to golden minerals instead of making new ones lol(it seemed to work), im sorry we don't all play quite as much as you, and we haven't all devoted our lifes to gaming exclusively, and nothing more, eat game sleep, no friends no girlfriends (and i doubt you'll ever have one), all you do is trash talk behind a screen but people who have seen you say you're a pretty shallow little boy "in real life" but of course real life isnt "real life" to you... that screen where you're almighty is your real life. just learn to lose, learn to have some fun, manner up, treat people like you'd treat them in person, don't be such a coward, im sure there's a nice smart little child inside of you... LET HIM FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY <3
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
April 05 2010 05:06 GMT
#468
I have a replay pack and a video of the finals but no place to upload and host. If someone could offer a suggestion or volunteer to take care of this PM me please.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 05 2010 05:08 GMT
#469
On April 05 2010 14:03 iG.CatZ wrote:
always about idra, let the boy talk and be a smartass, you're a good player but you have no brainssssss, you're a sore loser and a bm douche. as louder said all you do is one build over and over. you nerd rage every game you lose saying how cheesy people are even when they beat you in a straight up mirror match. last time we played you made a lot of sense "it's ridiculous how being bad wins games" or some shit, cuz i transfered drones to golden minerals instead of making new ones lol(it seemed to work), im sorry we don't all play quite as much as you, and we haven't all devoted our lifes to gaming exclusively, and nothing more, eat game sleep, no friends no girlfriends (and i doubt you'll ever have one), all you do is trash talk behind a screen but people who have seen you say you're a pretty shallow little boy "in real life" but of course real life isnt "real life" to you... that screen where you're almighty is your real life. just learn to lose, learn to have some fun, manner up, treat people like you'd treat them in person, don't be such a coward, im sure there's a nice smart little child inside of you... LET HIM FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY <3


he actually would treat people like that IRL,he's not just some angry e-nerd, he's an angry rl nerd too , he actually should get a lot of props for that O_O;
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
ScrapUSA
Profile Joined February 2010
United States37 Posts
April 05 2010 05:13 GMT
#470
On April 05 2010 14:06 Smuft wrote:
I have a replay pack and a video of the finals but no place to upload and host. If someone could offer a suggestion or volunteer to take care of this PM me please.


If you want to share replays, but have nowhere to upload them, here are a few upload sites:
MySites.com
Mediafire
Megaupload
2shared

Copied for the replay thread. Hopefully this will help, but I don't have experience uploading reps either.
StarcraftMaster
Profile Joined March 2010
United States84 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 05:16:04
April 05 2010 05:13 GMT
#471
There is no class of people that is better at another then playing at video games.
The simple reason why the asians dominated SC besides how the scene grew and was immersed by a country was a result of Player base size.
If there was 400 americans
500 europeans and
800 asians all playing sc2.
Ideally the asian group is going to be better because they will be playing in there group of 800 people
Where strats will be evolving at a faster pace as well as the amount of mass players and the odd balls like ( jaedong ), Flash ect.
It is absolutely rediculous to say that those odd balls and mass players dont exist in the American/Euro scene.. Keep that in mind. Asians only seem better because they have a LARGER player POOL.
infact if americans had the same player pool im sure they would do much better.. i mean if you believe in stereotypes.
Americans focused on having fun... Work hard asians.....(school)
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 05 2010 05:27 GMT
#472
lol, you say its only because of player pool and then say that americans focus on having fun and that asians work hard. theres a reason the mass practicers are odd balls amongst foreigners and not amongst koreans/chinese. their culture promotes a better work ethic than westerners, which means that yes, they are better at video games, and anything else that can benefit from massive amounts of practice.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
April 05 2010 05:27 GMT
#473
Please invite root gaming and team quebec

Media will go down np
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
StarcraftMaster
Profile Joined March 2010
United States84 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 05:32:19
April 05 2010 05:30 GMT
#474
On April 05 2010 14:27 IdrA wrote:
lol, you say its only because of player pool and then say that americans focus on having fun and that asians work hard. theres a reason the mass practicers are odd balls amongst foreigners and not amongst koreans/chinese. their culture promotes a better work ethic than westerners, which means that yes, they are better at video games, and anything else that can benefit from massive amounts of practice.

Having fun is more important then worth ethic.
Without the passion there is no fuel for the fire.
And there is mass gamers in each. But there more common in asia cause of the player pool.
More players playing Around them as well.. Its linked with there enviorment. which is probably fueling the competition more for them...
just speculation tho.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 05:33:47
April 05 2010 05:32 GMT
#475
wrong

working smarter and efficiently, getting the most for the time you put in is the most important factor, smart players simply learn more from each game they play.

If you play 100 games, versus 100 games where you analyze, improve, and self critique you will notice a huge difference. Replays themselves are a huge key to getting better, not just mass gaming.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
April 05 2010 05:32 GMT
#476
On April 05 2010 14:13 ScrapUSA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2010 14:06 Smuft wrote:
I have a replay pack and a video of the finals but no place to upload and host. If someone could offer a suggestion or volunteer to take care of this PM me please.


If you want to share replays, but have nowhere to upload them, here are a few upload sites:
MySites.com
Mediafire
Megaupload
2shared

Copied for the replay thread. Hopefully this will help, but I don't have experience uploading reps either.


this replay site > all

www.sc2rc.com
StarcraftMaster
Profile Joined March 2010
United States84 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 05:37:14
April 05 2010 05:34 GMT
#477
On April 05 2010 14:32 dacthehork wrote:
wrong

working smarter and efficiently, getting the most for the time you put in is the most important factor, smart players simply learn more from each game they play.

If you play 100 games, versus 100 games where you analyze, improve, and self critique you will notice a huge difference

ofc. and thats what the better players do.. And just about everyone is capable of it...But as any pro in the history of SC would tell you. without passion you wont improve... Look at nada...savior..don't tell me these players arn't capable anymore. They could come back and just be as strong as flash or jaedong if they had the passion they once had in my honest opinion.
and people shouldnt belittle idras play.
Ideally he will be the best player a month or so down the road when he understands how things work better. Just like everyone is trying to do.
When he gets that understanding hes going to beable to adapt to just about anything. and thats when alot of people are going to have to format there builds alot more rather then relying on shock tactics
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
April 05 2010 05:36 GMT
#478
Re: Idra

We will not be banning him from the tournament. There is no need to do that as this was an invitational event where the prize pool was brought to you by the hospitality of our donators and the work of volunteers. Idra's blatant lack of respect and pathetic behavior will simply prevent him from being invited to all future events.

ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 05:38:01
April 05 2010 05:36 GMT
#479
warturtle, Slush is now a member of our team, but he might be out of town on saturday, if he isnt' there's a chance we'll apply 2 'root' teams, i believe bubba is gonna be inactive for a bit while finishing school, so ideally, our 2 teams would be : sheth drewbie and i + qxc cauthonluck and slush. either way that is the best case scenario assuming slush is in town, cauthon can get out early from work, i'd have to request off from work again AND we'd have to get picked.odds are that's not all gonna happen

but thanks a lot for your support and the tournaments you've been hosting
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 05:38:50
April 05 2010 05:37 GMT
#480
On April 05 2010 14:34 StarcraftMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2010 14:32 dacthehork wrote:
wrong

working smarter and efficiently, getting the most for the time you put in is the most important factor, smart players simply learn more from each game they play.

If you play 100 games, versus 100 games where you analyze, improve, and self critique you will notice a huge difference

ofc. and thats what the better players do.. And just about everyone is capable of it...
and people shouldnt belittle idras play.
Ideally he will be the best player a month or so down the road when he understands how things work better. Just like everyone is trying to do.
When he gets that understanding hes going to beable to adapt to just about anything. and thats when alot of people are going to have to format there builds alot more rather then relying on shock tactics


I don't know the macro is ridiculously simpler in SC2, it's all the much smaller things that are more important like surprising the opponent and having intelligent counter builds.

I dont think a "guide to XvX" will be created anytime soon

On April 05 2010 14:36 iG.CatZ wrote:
warturtle, Slush is now a member of our team, but he might be out of town on saturday, if he isnt' there's a chance we'll apply 2 'root' teams, i believe bubba is gonna be inactive for a bit while finishing school, so ideally, our 2 teams would be : sheth drewbie and i + qxc cauthonluck and slush. either way that is the best case scenario assuming slush is in town, cauthon can get out early from work, i'd have to request off from work again AND we'd have to get picked.odds are that's not all gonna happen



Cauthonluck is part of team root? stacked
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 60 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 164
Nina 138
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 490
Dewaltoss 133
ToSsGirL 43
Noble 24
Backho 22
Bale 19
Icarus 9
League of Legends
JimRising 739
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K612
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor140
Other Games
summit1g9360
C9.Mang0336
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick613
BasetradeTV49
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH397
• practicex 31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1447
• Stunt468
• HappyZerGling136
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
4h 28m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
5h 28m
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 28m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 4h
Snow vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Monday
1d 18h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.