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Slashiepie
Profile Joined May 2013
107 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 11:38:57
May 25 2013 10:47 GMT
#4541
I had a couple, but i thought id swallow my frustration and give this core at least a month, that's why i edited my post
Im a Diamond and i've been using the Core for quite some time, but i must also say that my patience for every new release is making me wonder if i shouldn't ditch it altogether

As the older version (6.2) isn't available for download this means i cannot play any ladder games or any decent games at all :/

How do i assign the - to navigating control groups again? as soon as i bind it all the other CGS get screwed up..

JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
May 25 2013 13:38 GMT
#4542
On May 25 2013 19:47 Slashiepie wrote:
I had a couple, but i thought id swallow my frustration and give this core at least a month, that's why i edited my post
Im a Diamond and i've been using the Core for quite some time, but i must also say that my patience for every new release is making me wonder if i shouldn't ditch it altogether

As the older version (6.2) isn't available for download this means i cannot play any ladder games or any decent games at all :/

How do i assign the - to navigating control groups again? as soon as i bind it all the other CGS get screwed up..


I linked to 0.6.3 in an earlier post. Essentially you have to look through the GitHub history to find the version you want.
jabird
Profile Joined May 2013
United States1 Post
May 25 2013 16:33 GMT
#4543
I've been playing Starcraft since it came out when I was about 6 (Been awaiting Starcraft 2 for as long as anyone)... Today, I'm 23 and I found this just a few days ago, I've played a few vs AI games with the Terran Right Handed Standard config and naturally, it is difficult to train my fingers to use a new home location and step away from using easy to remember commands (If blizzard changed the hot-key for barracks I would have lost my mind). I love what you're all doing here, agree with some of the previous posts about the need for a wiki to document this and if I had less than 2 jobs, 2 kids and a wife then I would throw something together.

Anyway I strayed from my question and reason for signing up altogether, here goes; Has the chameleon version been completely abandoned? I like it the best when looking through the visualizer but can only find [R]ace[H]and[S]ize layouts for download.

And thank you very much for putting the effort into something like this and releasing it publicly with so much depth.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 00:43:32
May 25 2013 16:52 GMT
#4544
On May 26 2013 01:33 jabird wrote:
Anyway I strayed from my question and reason for signing up altogether, here goes; Has the chameleon version been completely abandoned? I like it the best when looking through the visualizer but can only find [R]ace[H]and[S]ize layouts for download.

Completely, no. Mostly, yes.
Slashiepie
Profile Joined May 2013
107 Posts
May 25 2013 18:52 GMT
#4545
On May 25 2013 22:38 JDub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 19:47 Slashiepie wrote:
I had a couple, but i thought id swallow my frustration and give this core at least a month, that's why i edited my post
Im a Diamond and i've been using the Core for quite some time, but i must also say that my patience for every new release is making me wonder if i shouldn't ditch it altogether

As the older version (6.2) isn't available for download this means i cannot play any ladder games or any decent games at all :/

How do i assign the - to navigating control groups again? as soon as i bind it all the other CGS get screwed up..


I linked to 0.6.3 in an earlier post. Essentially you have to look through the GitHub history to find the version you want.


Only the Beta is to be found..

https://github.com/jonnyhweiss/TheCoreConverter
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 00:42:31
May 26 2013 00:41 GMT
#4546
On May 26 2013 03:52 Slashiepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 22:38 JDub wrote:
On May 25 2013 19:47 Slashiepie wrote:
I had a couple, but i thought id swallow my frustration and give this core at least a month, that's why i edited my post
Im a Diamond and i've been using the Core for quite some time, but i must also say that my patience for every new release is making me wonder if i shouldn't ditch it altogether

As the older version (6.2) isn't available for download this means i cannot play any ladder games or any decent games at all :/

How do i assign the - to navigating control groups again? as soon as i bind it all the other CGS get screwed up..


I linked to 0.6.3 in an earlier post. Essentially you have to look through the GitHub history to find the version you want.


Only the Beta is to be found..

https://github.com/jonnyhweiss/TheCoreConverter

https://github.com/jonnyhweiss/TheCoreConverter/commits/master/TheCore TRM Beta.SC2Hotkeys

History of the beta. It doesn't extend very far back because github hasn't been used for very long, but it's better than nothing.
Tritone
Profile Joined June 2010
Japan76 Posts
May 26 2013 12:13 GMT
#4547
I just tried to use this, left handed medium sized version, and make roaches was bound to "K". Is that right?
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 26 2013 16:32 GMT
#4548
On May 26 2013 21:13 Tritone wrote:
I just tried to use this, left handed medium sized version, and make roaches was bound to "K". Is that right?

Well... there is no Japanese version of TheCore. Are you using a Japanese keyboard? :/
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 16:48:06
May 26 2013 16:42 GMT
#4549
On May 26 2013 21:13 Tritone wrote:
I just tried to use this, left handed medium sized version, and make roaches was bound to "K". Is that right?


On QWERTY keyboards, K would be used by righties. The core puts your keyboard hand on the wrong side for typing so that you can easily use the thumb for CTRL and SHIFT.

For example, I use qwerty TRM (my right hand controls the mouse) and my home row for my left hand is JIOP
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 18:24:12
May 26 2013 18:23 GMT
#4550
On May 27 2013 01:42 Smackzilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 21:13 Tritone wrote:
I just tried to use this, left handed medium sized version, and make roaches was bound to "K". Is that right?


On QWERTY keyboards, K would be used by righties. The core puts your keyboard hand on the wrong side for typing so that you can easily use the thumb for CTRL and SHIFT.

For example, I use qwerty TRM (my right hand controls the mouse) and my home row for my left hand is JIOP

That's what I would have said, but K for Roaches is the only mistake he noted. Otherwise there would be a lot more complaints.

As such, I'm sure he is familiar with the way it is supposed to be. Either way, we need more information to assess the problem.
Tritone
Profile Joined June 2010
Japan76 Posts
May 27 2013 02:55 GMT
#4551

On May 27 2013 01:32 Antylamon wrote:
Well... there is no Japanese version of TheCore. Are you using a Japanese keyboard? :/


Nope. Standard US.

On May 27 2013 03:23 Antylamon wrote:
That's what I would have said, but K for Roaches is the only mistake he noted. Otherwise there would be a lot more complaints.

As such, I'm sure he is familiar with the way it is supposed to be. Either way, we need more information to assess the problem.


I downloaded and installed "TheCore ZLM Beta.SC2Hotkeys" on May 4th from the Skydrive account, but there seems to be at least one mistake, namely that the "spawn roaches" command or whatever is "K", which is the default for standard left handed I think.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 27 2013 13:17 GMT
#4552
On May 27 2013 11:55 Tritone wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 01:32 Antylamon wrote:
Well... there is no Japanese version of TheCore. Are you using a Japanese keyboard? :/


Nope. Standard US.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 03:23 Antylamon wrote:
That's what I would have said, but K for Roaches is the only mistake he noted. Otherwise there would be a lot more complaints.

As such, I'm sure he is familiar with the way it is supposed to be. Either way, we need more information to assess the problem.


I downloaded and installed "TheCore ZLM Beta.SC2Hotkeys" on May 4th from the Skydrive account, but there seems to be at least one mistake, namely that the "spawn roaches" command or whatever is "K", which is the default for standard left handed I think.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdFQ4LVlIcllUUWtGUVY4cWxyLXd6QUE#gid=35

Check the first column and compare
Tritone
Profile Joined June 2010
Japan76 Posts
May 27 2013 15:20 GMT
#4553
On May 27 2013 22:17 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 11:55 Tritone wrote:

On May 27 2013 01:32 Antylamon wrote:
Well... there is no Japanese version of TheCore. Are you using a Japanese keyboard? :/


Nope. Standard US.

On May 27 2013 03:23 Antylamon wrote:
That's what I would have said, but K for Roaches is the only mistake he noted. Otherwise there would be a lot more complaints.

As such, I'm sure he is familiar with the way it is supposed to be. Either way, we need more information to assess the problem.


I downloaded and installed "TheCore ZLM Beta.SC2Hotkeys" on May 4th from the Skydrive account, but there seems to be at least one mistake, namely that the "spawn roaches" command or whatever is "K", which is the default for standard left handed I think.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdFQ4LVlIcllUUWtGUVY4cWxyLXd6QUE#gid=35

Check the first column and compare


Thanks. I'll go through all my command keys and compare with that. And someone should fix it in the file, assuming my computer isn't doing something weird.

BTW, I still am not sure I understand layered injects. I have watched the video a couple times but I'm still not really getting it. I'd appreciate some guidance.

According to that chart, I should have my hatcheries and queens on W?

And there's one control key that is recalled just by pressing W, but another one that is recalled by pressing Shift + W?
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 27 2013 16:14 GMT
#4554
On May 28 2013 00:20 Tritone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 22:17 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 11:55 Tritone wrote:

On May 27 2013 01:32 Antylamon wrote:
Well... there is no Japanese version of TheCore. Are you using a Japanese keyboard? :/


Nope. Standard US.

On May 27 2013 03:23 Antylamon wrote:
That's what I would have said, but K for Roaches is the only mistake he noted. Otherwise there would be a lot more complaints.

As such, I'm sure he is familiar with the way it is supposed to be. Either way, we need more information to assess the problem.


I downloaded and installed "TheCore ZLM Beta.SC2Hotkeys" on May 4th from the Skydrive account, but there seems to be at least one mistake, namely that the "spawn roaches" command or whatever is "K", which is the default for standard left handed I think.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdFQ4LVlIcllUUWtGUVY4cWxyLXd6QUE#gid=35

Check the first column and compare


Thanks. I'll go through all my command keys and compare with that. And someone should fix it in the file, assuming my computer isn't doing something weird.

I would, but I can't access the SkyDrive and Jak is gone until June.

On May 28 2013 00:20 Tritone wrote:
BTW, I still am not sure I understand layered injects. I have watched the video a couple times but I'm still not really getting it. I'd appreciate some guidance.

According to that chart, I should have my hatcheries and queens on W?

And there's one control key that is recalled just by pressing W, but another one that is recalled by pressing Shift + W?

Me neither; I'm not Zerg.


Sorry I can't help you more.
Borskey
Profile Joined February 2012
160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:32:14
May 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#4555
On May 28 2013 00:20 Tritone wrote:
BTW, I still am not sure I understand layered injects. I have watched the video a couple times but I'm still not really getting it. I'd appreciate some guidance.

According to that chart, I should have my hatcheries and queens on W?

And there's one control key that is recalled just by pressing W, but another one that is recalled by pressing Shift + W?


I'm right handed- we use JIOP (pinky on J, index on P) instead of GREW. You'll have to figure out what keys mean what, but it shouldn't be too hard. I tried to put the left handed keys in parenthesis, but I could have gotten them wrong.

My injecting queens are on shift+P (shift+W for you). Spawn Larvae is O (E for you). Hatcheries are on P (W for you), but that's doesn't factor into this.
I put my main hatch camera on shift+K (shift+F), my natural on shift+L (shift+D), and my third on shift+; (shift+S)

Injects work like this:
1. Hold down shift the entire time with thumb

2. Press POK with index, middle, and ring fingers. You can do this pretty much all at once, though I think you have to hit P slightly before hitting O. This selects your injecting queens, readies spawn larvae, and moves your camera to your main base. (For lefties, I believe you press WEF instead)

3. Move your cursor to the hatchery and leftclick
4. Press L with ring finger. This moves the camera to your natural. (For lefties, I think this is D)
5. Leftclick. You do not have to move your mouse at all, since the camera should be centered directly over the hatch.
6. Press ; (for lefties, I think this is S)
7. Leftclick

And that's it. If I have more bases to inject, the cameras for them go on shift+ 9 0 -, so I would just move my fingers up and hit those keys to inject more bases.
Borskey
Profile Joined February 2012
160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:23:17
May 27 2013 22:19 GMT
#4556
Oh, and one thing that might be screwy- adding to/remaking the inject queen control group for righties is on ctrl/shift+ctrl K

So when your queens pop, you select them and hit ctrl+K to add them to a control group, and then when you want to re-select your inject queens you do it by hitting shift+P

I know that on ZRM for some people adding to that control group was on an incorrect key (just like you said the ZLM roach key was).

For you, I believe the key to add to that control group should be F. For the record, the "spawn roach key" you were asking about earlier should also be F for you.
Borskey
Profile Joined February 2012
160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:49:40
May 27 2013 22:36 GMT
#4557
Tritone, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

You can look through my past posts to find an explanation of why the "free cams" are on the keys they are on, and how to spread creep using them effectively.

edit: actually, I tried to find that, and I've got so many posts in here that I couldn't. I found a post I made about it on another forum, so I'll copy/paste it here. Again, these are the keys for ZRM. You'll have to do the translation from righty to lefty yourself.

The other two cams I use for spreading creep.
Cam 1 is recalled with ctrl+H and set with ctrl+I
Cam 2 is recalled with ctrl+O and set with ctrl+J
Spread Creep is bound to U. "Choose ability or AI target" is also bound to U, which lets me rapid-fire spread creep just by holding down U and moving my mouse around, rather than left-clicking.

You set the cams up over the locations where you're spreading creep, then
Hold CTRL down the whole time
Put your fingers on HUIO (pinky H index O)
H goes to your first creep place
Click tumor (selects all tumors since you're holding ctrl)
Move your mouse around while holding U to spread your tumors
Click queen if there is one
Hold U to make her set a tumor
Scoot your camera forward a bit so it's over these newly created tumors
Press I reset your camera
Press O to go to your second location
Click tumor (selects all since you're still holding ctrl)
hold U and spread tumors
Click queen if there is one
Hold U and spread tumors
Move your camera forward a bit so it's over the new tumors
Press J to set your cam as you move your fingers back to their resting position (JIOP).

And that's that.



I know that sounds really convoluted and crazy, but it's actually really fast and smooth.


I believe that the left handed version of HUIOJ would be HTREG
Tritone
Profile Joined June 2010
Japan76 Posts
May 28 2013 01:37 GMT
#4558
On May 28 2013 07:19 Borskey wrote:I know that on ZRM for some people adding to that control group was on an incorrect key (just like you said the ZLM roach key was).

For you, I believe the key to add to that control group should be F. For the record, the "spawn roach key" you were asking about earlier should also be F for you.


Yeah so this may be what is confusing me. According to the spreadsheet, there are two control groups, the commands for which are as follows:

Create control groups:
Control + Shift + W
Control + Shift + R

Add to control groups:
Control + W
Control + R

Recall control groups:
W
Shift + W

Recommended control groups:
Hatcheries: W
Injecting queens: W


So, injecting queens should be on Shift + W, and hatcheries should be on (no shift) W, right?

Thanks a lot for your help. I'm 95% sure I'm gonna switch to this. The standard for lefty keys don't work well for me for zerg.
daagar
Profile Joined May 2013
8 Posts
May 28 2013 02:15 GMT
#4559
As a nearly complete newbie to SC2, I'm jumping into modified hotkeys including TheCore as I don't have much muscle memory to unlearn. Because I'm so new, I don't have a favored race yet that I "main". That said, it seems like Zerg is one of the more - needy - races when it comes to hotkeys because of injecting and creep spread. What is the suggested layout? I realize the obvious answer would be 'random', but my fear is learning it and realizing down the road that I want to main Zerg afterall and having to relearn... would it be better to use the Zerg layout even when playing P or T, swap between layouts based on race, use P or T and 'suffer' with Z, etc?
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
May 28 2013 04:49 GMT
#4560
On May 28 2013 11:15 daagar wrote:
As a nearly complete newbie to SC2, I'm jumping into modified hotkeys including TheCore as I don't have much muscle memory to unlearn. Because I'm so new, I don't have a favored race yet that I "main". That said, it seems like Zerg is one of the more - needy - races when it comes to hotkeys because of injecting and creep spread. What is the suggested layout? I realize the obvious answer would be 'random', but my fear is learning it and realizing down the road that I want to main Zerg afterall and having to relearn... would it be better to use the Zerg layout even when playing P or T, swap between layouts based on race, use P or T and 'suffer' with Z, etc?


Maining Zerg with Random layout shouldn't be a problem, it still works really well. I tried swapping layouts when playing with different races, but the layouts are way too different to be swapped conveniently.
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