EPTIronic in that Athena is the Greek Goddess of wisdom, but SmiAthena is the opposite of wise! He makes Scooby Doo villains look like master-criminals.
Hopefully the matter is reported to the police and Athena gets a trip to the Big House.
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Ironic in that Athena is the Greek Goddess of wisdom, but SmiAthena is the opposite of wise! He makes Scooby Doo villains look like master-criminals. Hopefully the matter is reported to the police and Athena gets a trip to the Big House. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true. [29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF  + Show Spoiler + [8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down [8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls [8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name. | ||
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NanoClouD
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On August 05 2013 00:23 rei wrote: + Show Spoiler + [8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down [8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls [8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name. Here was the real message. [7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad : A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: to support us all? That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM. [7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD": It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG Anyway, here is more of the convo. [7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay  [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : well please keep in contact and let me know Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam. [7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad oh  [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad : its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad : i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad : yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad : are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad : it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Miladi: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Miladi: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad : ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad : who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad : i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad : is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad : lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad : ok [7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad : what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad: ? [7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises. Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work  I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse. The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game. I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha. I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares. The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us. I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends. SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan. Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money. Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafightingty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread. | ||
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kilokilo23
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Xonix
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On August 05 2013 06:05 kilokilo23 wrote: I know pascal and He would never bad mouth a team. This doesn't seem like him. First he would not say any of this he would never bad mouth a team. Second he is a small team why would he trash bigger teams? it would not help him at all. So idk but this does not sound like Pascal. I second what KiloKilo23 says... I've worked with Pascal before and I have no doubt that Nanocloud was trying to trick him. I know he currently pays for HTOMario a fair salary per month. Also he said that if he gets the sponsor, he can possibly pay you guys. He didn't confirm anything or made set promises for the future. | ||
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eLeVaTioN
United States97 Posts
May I ask how you message Pascal at 10:40:55 PM but then receive the next message 4 minutes earlier at 10:36:06 PM? Also at the bottom your last message was at 10:55:42 PM yet Pascal's reply comes 23 minutes earlier at 10:32:50 PM? You also have multiple messages from yourself that show the exact same time stamp (such as 10:35:24 PM). It's not possible to send 2 messages on the same time stamp. So you're either hundreds of years advanced with some sort of magical time machine or you just made up the conversation and forgot to change every time stamp. | ||
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purecarnagge
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On August 01 2013 10:07 DirtyBirD wrote: Desrow was never involved with sMi. Anderson tried to recruit him, but I told him not to because I knew this was going to happen. Then, he messaged and told him that. As I stated, I was on a hiatus from really managing sMi at the beginning of all of this. Once I found out about things, I told my players NOT to do anything before I talked to these individuals, but that didn't stop everyone from getting contracts and signing things. Then those players were not under contract with your team so why were you talking to them? They signed a new contract with someone other than yourself. That is how you respond. Or we had a contract. Your new contract was not approved by your team. Why would you do this? I said not to talk to them. This new person doesn't run the team. You ban that person from skype until you handle the arrangement. Why would you want an arrangement with a sponsor that doesn't work under agreed upon terms? Stop making excuses for yourself and displacing the blame. Sure you have players, sure your a small team. But if people aren't in it for the duration of the haul with you, they need to be gone. You told them not to talk to them not to do anything and they signed contracts? Why the hell are they still on your team? they fed into the entire mess? You didn't do anything to enforce team rules and kicked nobody to the curb. Hey, go play sc2 go do this train this way. But w/e you do stop talking to these people until I present you something and don't send anything out. Sure the players, made mistakes, and you were well aware of what was going on, but unless you told the players (which you didn't because you were documenting the scam) Your making mistakes as a leader. Those cannot be ignored. You let a very tense situation persist and fester. If someone wants to deal with you organization they do so thru you They fax documents They sign an agreement with yourself The agreement if never made face to face is done with photo id's (DL) Things originate from the head of the organization. Sponsorships mean you return something of value to another organization. You represent them, you get there name out, its not always monetary immediate return for you. But they simply don't do the following -give money out -give free gear -refuse to explain how this is a mutual benefiting relationship. -Your players should become advocates for said sponsor and know how they are able to contribute to representing them positively. (see an idra EG video or something where every sponsor is named everytime). Honestly, as a sponsored paintball player fighting to get sponsorship every year you learn a lot. The concept that companies just handout money is false. They want some type of return. The fact that your players, and you don't seem to understand this is very alarming and as a potential sponsor would make me want to go somewhere else because your team apparently expects free stuff and free handouts. No thanks, I'll go some where else is what every company that see's this will be thinking. Very poor leadership and very poor accountability, and very poor internal structure. | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
On August 05 2013 06:33 eLeVaTioN wrote: http://gyazo.com/e4b92c0302abf289634a4ba002a2f2f0 May I ask how you message Pascal at 10:40:55 PM but then receive the next message 4 minutes earlier at 10:36:06 PM? Also at the bottom your last message was at 10:55:42 PM yet Pascal's reply comes 23 minutes earlier at 10:32:50 PM? You also have multiple messages from yourself that show the exact same time stamp (such as 10:35:24 PM). It's not possible to send 2 messages on the same time stamp. So you're either hundreds of years advanced with some sort of magical time machine or you just made up the conversation and forgot to change every time stamp. Everyone involved in this shit show is fucking retarded.. if you're going to lie, at least do it right! | ||
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Unexpected
United States13 Posts
On August 05 2013 04:39 NanoClouD wrote: Here was the real message. [7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us all? That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM. [7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD" Alucozai: It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG Anyway, here is more of the convo. [7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: well please keep in contact and let me know Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam. [7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad Alucozai: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad Alucozai: are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad Alucozai: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad Alucozai: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad Alucozai: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad Alucozai: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad Alucozai: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad Alucozai: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad Alucozai: who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad Alucozai: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad Alucozai: i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad Alucozai: is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok [7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad Alucozai: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: ? [7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises. Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse. The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game. I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha. I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares. The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us. I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends. SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan. Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money. Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafightingty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread. dis guy. | ||
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[7/26/2013 9:32:40 AM] Milad: then we can hop on skype and chat [7/26/2013 9:32:43 AM] Milad: with the rest of playes [7/26/2013 9:32:46 AM] Milad: glad you are on our side [7/26/2013 9:32:51 AM] Milad: and also think its suspcious [7/26/2013 9:33:09 AM] Hui Shen: i'm on the side of reason and logic onetrickpony realize what was going down in the end, and you still have no clue as to why I went along with you and Anderson from the beginning? Here let me quote onetrickpony [7/31/2013 8:45:28 PM] ryan lee: mr shen [7/31/2013 8:45:29 PM] ryan lee: IS SPY oh and can you own yourself any harder by making up chat logs and forgot to change the time stamp? | ||
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