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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
August 03 2013 03:02 GMT
#381
Am I a bad person for hoping to find this thread on the top of SC2 general every time I visit TL (which is a fucking lot) to see if it gets any funnier/more convoluted?
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
August 03 2013 03:15 GMT
#382
On August 03 2013 11:38 Whitewing wrote:
I'm confused, what was this scammer supposedly trying to accomplish by falsely claiming to be able to provide free stuff?

Yea i'm still trying to figure this out. This wasn't so much a scam as it was just some guy lying his ass off.
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
August 03 2013 03:19 GMT
#383
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote:
there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.

the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.

i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.

i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.

of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.

anyways, GL sMi wish you the best.
i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.

User was banned for this post.


I know I'm late to the thread but...

"...it wasn't ME who did this."

Of course it was. You had regular contacts with a fake person. You picked up the gear that was ordered from the fake person. And you were the only person to meet this fake person in real life.

How stupid do you think everyon... ah, nevermind.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
August 03 2013 03:33 GMT
#384
Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.

I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.

1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.

2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.

3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.

4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.

5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?

6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.

7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.

8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.

I hope these poiints help.

This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
August 03 2013 03:37 GMT
#385
On August 03 2013 12:15 GunPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 11:38 Whitewing wrote:
I'm confused, what was this scammer supposedly trying to accomplish by falsely claiming to be able to provide free stuff?

Yea i'm still trying to figure this out. This wasn't so much a scam as it was just some guy lying his ass off.


He was lining up to try and milk them for shipping money, probably light costs assocaited to the equipment etc.

It was an amateur scam/con. Probably just to get a few hundred bucks tops.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
Penguinator
Profile Joined December 2010
United States837 Posts
August 03 2013 03:40 GMT
#386
If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
Towelie.635
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
August 03 2013 03:52 GMT
#387
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.

PRISM begs to differ.
kamkerx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 04:41:17
August 03 2013 04:27 GMT
#388
[/img]
On August 01 2013 13:33 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
This athena kid seems boarderline retarded.

and who the hell is NanoCloud? I've never played him or heard of him o.0

/e: sMi management could of probably avoided this altogether though


NanoCloud claimed he was just a rich guy with a passion for gaming, constantly saying he owned a multi-million dollar building and several 100,000+ cars such as a 2013 Nissan GTR (which doesnt add up considering he'd spend the majority of his days in our teamspeak server talking to 18 year old boys), he also claimed to have several high gm accounts on all servers. He once obs'd a game between lucky and I, when I asked him for advice on terran he simply said "you should drop when the protoss player moves out". Aside from that he cause alot of drama between players on sca, ex. claiming people were trash talking each other behind their backs along with making up another lie he could to cause problems. Upon our manager coming back to the USA NanoCloud was kicked from the teamspeak but not before convinced other players we had to leave with him promising money and pcs.

tldr. NanoCloud is a sad guy in a basement, hes probably not even wearing pants right now, and he's eaten taco bell in the last 24 hours
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Eventine
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 06:42:06
August 03 2013 06:39 GMT
#389
this thread is amazing, i knew i missed the dramas of starcraft.

how funny would it be if this was sMi trolling TL too.
You are everything, I never knew, I always wanted.
eLeVaTioN
Profile Joined February 2012
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 12:31:28
August 03 2013 12:28 GMT
#390
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.

I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.

1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.

2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.

3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.

4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.

5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?

6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.

7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.

8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.

I hope these poiints help.

This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.





I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10035 Posts
August 03 2013 12:36 GMT
#391
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.

I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.

1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.

2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.

3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.

4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.

5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?

6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.

7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.

8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.

I hope these poiints help.

This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.


i would like to know more about this o.o
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 03 2013 12:39 GMT
#392
On August 03 2013 21:36 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.

I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.

1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.

2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.

3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.

4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.

5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?

6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.

7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.

8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.

I hope these poiints help.

This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.


i would like to know more about this o.o

there are services that collect this data and will sell it to anyone. you can get a lot more information then that actually. My dad uses these kinds of services from time to time in his capacity as a lawyer, its actually WAY easier to get a hold of information you might expect to be private then you think.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
August 03 2013 16:17 GMT
#393
what does smi stand for??!?
Not even death can save you from me.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
August 03 2013 16:43 GMT
#394
On August 04 2013 01:17 gosublade wrote:
what does smi stand for??!?

Sold My Intelligence I'd guess.


5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?

Yeah I lolled hard when I saw the imaginary kb was named ''Illusion''

hahahaha
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
August 03 2013 16:54 GMT
#395
On August 03 2013 21:28 eLeVaTioN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.

I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.

1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.

2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.

3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.

4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.

5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?

6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.

7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.

8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.

I hope these poiints help.

This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.





I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you

And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
sorry for dem one liners
eLeVaTioN
Profile Joined February 2012
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 17:37:49
August 03 2013 17:26 GMT
#396
On August 04 2013 01:54 NukeD wrote:
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.




It must be some sort of secret knowledge since we're still hearing about players getting screwed over and situations like this are still occurring. The only thing obvious here is that some people don't know the difference between a legitimate contract and a scam contract that was actually typed in notepad of all things.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 03 2013 17:40 GMT
#397
Why are people even discussing this in a serious manner as if it shouldn't just be laughed at for its sheer stupidity?
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
August 03 2013 17:58 GMT
#398
So SMi gets trolled......and this warrants a thread? rofl what a joke. For you to get scammed, the scammer actually has to get something from you. Learn the difference between scam/troll. That prototype "illusion" keyboard is hilarious.
TL+ Member
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 18:25:30
August 03 2013 18:20 GMT
#399
On August 01 2013 10:17 sMiAthena wrote:
days u knew my passwords, aidan, nano. dont try to play that -.-


Maybe it would be better if you didn't play the "it wasn't me, my account was hacked" card. Almost every time someone has said that in a scandal in the past decade it turns out to be bullshit. Now it just makes you look like an idiot. Although with how many holes your statements have right now, it probably didn't matter; kicking the jenga tower doesn't do anything if it already collapsed.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
sMi.SyMPhOnY
Profile Joined December 2006
United States226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 18:59:48
August 03 2013 18:58 GMT
#400
oh i wish we were allsmart as these teamliquid nerds lelele... either way, like i said before, these events didn't transpire all at once and took a couple weeks to demonstrate their non-legitimacy. Realize that sMi was practically dead before this, which allowed for a multitude of management changes and player recruitments that were all unfortunately led by nanocloud and more unfortunately by anderson. Many here on team liquid would advocate for how Esports in NA is in an amatuer condition; This makes easy targets for manipulators like Anderson....Though he got nothing from this except bad press (nanocloud too)....shit happens

---> 2 Scammers revealed in this thread, Perhaps save some face damage in the future for unsuspecting teams..
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