I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the players and the community about what has happened here in the last few weeks with sMi. I hope that no one was really hurt by this and that we can move forward in a positive note as actions were taken to rectify the wrongdoing of an individual who, I believe, had set his goals on deceiving multiple people and the whole sMi team. Please, allow me to explain everything that happened.
About three months ago, Anderson Barrett (Athena), joined the public sMi channel and right away a few of our older members recognized and remembered him from our past interactions with him. This individual was a part of the team in BW for an extended period of time and used his relationship with the older and past members to wiggle his way back into their hearts and gain a spot on the team while I was in the middle of a leave of absence from managing sMi for my 8-5 job that had gotten really hectic. Anderson spent 8+ hours a day on SC2 playing games and interacting with the members of the team for a little over two months, so we all thought he was a good and trustworthy guy.
Eventually I received a phone call from one of my members telling me that they were getting a private investor to sponsor the team and they were going to be picking up a number of new players. Of course I was suspicious of this right away and told him not to do anything until I had a chance to talk to these two individuals. Before I ever really had a chance to do anything, promises were made and contracts were drawn up and signed by players.
The private investor was going by the name of Kelly Dawn and with his partner, Anderson Barrett, they were going to sponsor sMi and promised a lot of things. According to the contracts that these two individuals had written up, the players were promised an Alienware X51 desktop, any Razer headset, mouse, and keyboard of their choice, as well as a base salary depending on the player (albeit no salary would be given within the first 3.5 months due to it being an "evaluation period").
During a span of a few weeks, I had attempted to get into touch with this Kelly Dawn and find out as much information about the guy as possible. He was supposed to be a multimillionaire that sponsored a LoL team and ran his own businesses while working for Razer, yet couldn't give me a phone number and never had time to physically talk to me. These things just didn't add up.
While all of this is going on, myself and a number of the members on the team had been trying to get Anderson and Kelly to inform us when the gear would be ordered and shipped out. A number of times we were told that the gear had been ordered and then told the opposite because the players would be receiving a new keyboard from Razer that wasn't out yet called the Razer Blackwidow Illusion and they had to be built first before we would get anything. I expressed a number of times that I wanted a copy of all the gear ordered and a copy of the tracking numbers for the shipments. I was told and promised that they would provide these to me, but I never received them. At this point I was just playing along with everything trying to gather as much evidence against these people as possible.
Later on, I was informed that all of the gear would be shipped out to Anderson first so that he could then ship them to the players separately. Eventually, one day, about two weeks ago, Anderson claimed to have received all of the gear for the players. He told us all that he had their gear and would be shipping them out within the next two days. I asked him for a picture of the gear so that I could make a post on here to display everything we had received to alleviate any doubts about team and to calm the players down on the team. After I asked him for this, he sends me a picture of four plain brown boxes stacked on top of one another with a Dell box mixed in there. He tells me it contains the keyboards, mice and three Alienware X51 computers. In response, I tell him take the gear out of the boxes and place them together to look nice and take a picture. Of course he comes up with an excuse and then goes on to say he doesn't have time because he was going to go hang out with a friend at their place. In my head I was thinking, "Really? You can't take 5-10 minutes out of your time to display all of the gear and take a nice picture of it?". One day passes by and nothing. The second day, during the EES Team League qualifiers (and while I was at work) he tells us that he is leaving to go to a local UPS store to ship the items and would be back. The Picture:http://f.cl.ly/items/1q1z1Y3S3w2a1A3L0Y1X/IMG_9060.jpg + Show Spoiler +
When he returned a number of the players were asking him why he didn't take a picture of the gear and other things because they were all suspicious of him at this point. He took it as them attacking and ganging up on him and he threw a hissy fit saying he didn't have time to take a picture and explained that he spent $400 of his own money to ship the items out. We then asked him where the tracking numbers for the shipments were and he responded with a story that was just brilliant. He tells us that the guy that was working there assisting him was new to the store and didn't know how to give tracking numbers for the shipments. He claimed that there was no one else there at the time. He went on to explain that he left the gear up there because the manager of the store was supposed to be there the next morning and would email Anderson the tracking numbers by 5 PM. The next day rolls around and nothing comes from Anderson. Then everyone starts to ask him about it and he freaks out again calling players names and being really rude.
Magically Kelly appears and wants to talk to the players and myself. He explains that everything was delayed because of him and to not blame Anderson. He stated that the players were being very disrespectful and didn't deserve the gear because of it. He tells me that he had Anderson go back to the UPS store and that Anderson received a refund and took all of the gear back to his home. Anderson was currently in possession of the gear. This is kind of a tangent, but Kelly would always appear at the most opportune times to back Anderson up and say pretty much exactly what Anderson had said within a timeframe of about 1-2 minutes. Anyways, I explain to him why everyone is acting the way they are and he's having none of it. I then mention the picture ordeal and he tells me that Anderson has every right to hang out with friends and go drinking whenever he wants. I responded with , "Sure, but in a situation like this where he knows the tension of the team is high and they're expecting a picture from him, why not take 5-10 minutes out to take a picture before heading out with your buddies?". He never responded to that.
Anderson approaches me the next day and informs me that Kelly told him that he and I should get together to take pictures of the gear (he lives in Frisco, TX which is about 15 minutes from where I live). Anderson and I arrange to meet during the upcoming weekend. Saturday rolls around and he tells me it is his grandmother's birthday and he is going to spend the day with her. As an alternative he tells me that we will definitely do it on Sunday and that he would call/text me around 1 PM the next day. Well, about 2 PM Sunday comes along and I don't hear anything from him at all. I get on Skype and see that he's telling the guys, in response to their asking if we had gotten together yet, "No. I haven't heard from Tim at all. He was supposed to call me." Of course I call him out on it and he blows it off with a, "Oh lol I thought you were going to call me. Sorry I'm busy right now and about to go to the hospital with my son. I'll call you when I'm on the way home and I'll pick up some beer for us." That never happened.
At one point right before all of the drama, JimRising approached Anderson and asked him if Kelly would pay for him to go to the Campus Party tournament. Anderson and Kelly agreed and as far as I knew had worked out all of the details with him via the help of Days translating. Then a few days later Anderson is yelling at Days saying that it’s his fault that JimRising can’t go to the tournament any more because he wasn’t online to translate something for him. When I saw the message I asked Anderson what had happened and he told me that it was taken care of with the help of Major translating in Days’ place. This obviously was not the case as Anderson came up with another excuse for not being able to send Jim to the tournament. He claimed that Jim didn’t sign the front and back of his contract so they couldn’t send him, when in fact Jim did sign all of the places he needed to on the contract.
Of course I was done with all of this by this time, however I wanted to get more evidence of him lying and to prove that what I had thought for a long time was true, Kelly Dawn doesn't exist.
I called the exact UPS location he told me he went to to ship the items and get his refund. The girl that answered the phone was extremely nice and helpful after I explained a bit of the situation to her and told her that I thought I was being lied to. I asked her if anyone that worked at that location was new and wouldn't know how to give out tracking numbers. She informs me that the newest member of their staff has been with them for at least 6 months and that all of the employees there know how to provide tracking numbers. She then searched her system for anyone called Anderson Barrett for the past month and returned no results. Furthermore, she searched through refunds given within the past 2 weeks and none of them were anywhere near the amount Anderson had claimed to had paid.
I then confronted Kelly and asked him plainly if he is employed by Razer. In an earlier conversation he had told me that he could get all of the Razer gear “for like $20 a piece”. He responded with: [7/25/2013 8:36:59 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: Kelly [7/25/2013 8:37:39 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: You never really answered my question before and I hate to bug you about it, but how are you getting all the gear for the price you get it at. You said you get it for like $20 a piece or something. [7/25/2013 8:37:47 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: Do you work for Razer? [7/25/2013 8:38:20 PM] Kelly Dawn: I didn't see that question. But yes. I do, I help and design programming on keyboards.
After I received his reply, I sent an email to Razer to confirm this mans employment. Here is the email chain with their response: + Show Spoiler +
Sponsorship Verification
Tim Bowen <redacted> Jul 27 (4 days ago)
to sponsorships Hey guys,
This isn't really a sponsorship verification as much as it is an employment verification. Right now there's a gentleman who's going by the name of Kelly Dawn and is "sponsoring" my team sMi in SC2. He's claiming a lot of things and we still have yet to receive our gear.
[7/13/2013 9:19:57 PM] Kelly Dawn: Ya when it's been sent ill receive one as well. The keyboards are being built. They are going to be testers for "illusion".
He's saying that we'll receive a new keyboard from Razer that isn't out yet called the Razer Blackwidow Illusion.
Furthermore, he's saying that our players will receive these things: 1.) Alienware X51 CPU - Not your problem here 2.) Razer mouse of choice 3.) Razer headset of choice 4.) Razer keyboard of choice
From the information I have, the guy is a Razer employee and can get these things for "like $20" a piece according to him.
Basically, I'm trying to verify that this is a real person and he actually does associate with Razer. Every time I try to get pictures of the equipment or meet up with his middle man to do anything in regards to the equipment, there's always an excuse.
If you could verify one way or the other that Kelly Dawn is or is not a Razer employee, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Tim Bowen
Andrew Philippou <redacted> Jul 27 (4 days ago)
to me, Xternal Hi Tim,
We have no one that works at Razer by the name of Kelly Dawn. Can you please provide contact details for the individual claiming to work for Razer? Also can you please confirm how you found out about sponsorship verification that we offer here at Razer?
Thanks in advance
Best regards, Andrew Philippou Razer| Sombrero^ eSports Content & Marketing Specialist (Global)
From: Tim Bowen [mailto:redacted] Sent: Saturday, 27 July, 2013 8:35 AM To: Xternal - Sponsorship Subject: Sponsorship Verification
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Tim Bowen <redacted> Jul 27 (4 days ago)
to Andrew Andrew,
I appreciate the hasty reply. The only contact information I have for this person is, unfortunately, skype. His ID on there is: kelly.dawn9
His Skype profile has this information: DOB: Wednesday, April 19, 1978 Age: 35 Location: Sacramento, United States
I just asked him again so that I could verify that it's coming from his mouth that he works for Razer and this is what he said: [8:36:59 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: Kelly [8:37:39 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: You never really answered my question before and I hate to bug you about it, but how are you getting all the gear for the price you get it at. You said you get it for like $20 a piece or something. [8:37:47 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: Do you work for Razer? [8:37:48 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: oO [8:38:20 PM] Kelly Dawn: I didn't see that question. But yes. I do, I help and design programming on keyboards. [8:39:55 PM] Tim "sMi.DirtyBirD" Bowen: Ah, I see.
Perhaps he's using a different name than his real one? I don't know. I doubt someone would go through the trouble of doing that though.
I was just told his email address: kelly.dawn9@live.com
Andrew Philippou Jul 27 (4 days ago)
to me, Xternal Hi Tim,
This individual might be trying to scam you, all Razer employees have an e-mail address like mine that end in “@razerzone.com”. To confirm that he is not using an alias you can ask him to send you an e-mail from his @razerzone.com account.
Thanks for the information regarding how you found out about the sponsorship verification.
Best regards, Andrew Philippou Razer| Sombrero^ eSports Content & Marketing Specialist (Global)
From: Tim Bowen [mailto:redacted] Sent: Saturday, 27 July, 2013 9:48 AM To: Andrew Philippou Subject: Re: Sponsorship Verification
In response to this, I asked Kelly if he could send me an email from his Razer email address and he never responded to me.
I then came to the conclusion that Anderson and Kelly were one and the same. Kelly was always on a mobile device while Anderson was always on the computer program for Skype. And as I said, “Kelly” would jump in to save the day for Anderson and back him up at the most opportune times.
When I confronted Anderson about everything in the team skype chat, he didn't have any answers for Kelly and claimed that the money he received from Kelly was always under his wife's name, not his. And after giving us some of the same excuses he started to resort to personal insult and went on a rampage of telling everyone they were "shit" and "sucked." He was busted and he knew it. As a last resort, he said he would take a picture of the gear he had received. Ten minutes later he sends me a crappy picture of what looks like his own computer gear and not at all what the players were supposed to get: http://f.cl.ly/items/3Y3b421S2j1a3c2C0239/photo.JPG + Show Spoiler +
When this didn't suffice, he started to rage again and tried to tell people they were removed/kicked from the team when he never even had the power to do that in the first place. He told someone to "GTFO MY TEAM" and I responded with, "No, Anderson, you GTFO my team." We then removed him from the skype conversation and removed him from the team on SC2.
He then goes to [redacted at request] and tells him this: + Show Spoiler +
[3:55:24 PM] Anderson Barrett: they found out [3:55:28 PM] Anderson Barrett: i was scamming them [3:55:34 PM] Anderson Barrett: there is no investor lol i was trying to get money out of smi [3:55:36 PM] Anderson Barrett: but they found out [3:55:38 PM] Anderson Barrett: so the scam is over [3:55:39 PM] Anderson Barrett: [3:55:44 PM] Anderson Barrett: they caught me
[3:54:35 PM] Anderson Barrett: i know you are shit [3:54:38 PM] Anderson Barrett: so what if i'm scamming smi [3:57:26 PM] Milad: ???? [3:57:35 PM] Milad: Stop messaging me
That is the whole, entire, super long, dumb as can be story. If you ever come across this individual, please do not believe a word he says.
Please do not hold this against us. We trusted this individual due to his history with us and how he acted for a period of 3 months before this offer even came about. We took a leap of faith on a private personal investor and it turned out to be the worst case scenario it could have possibly been. Of course it sounded way too good to be true, but when it's someone you've known for years, you don't expect it to turn out this way.
Again, I apologize to everyone who was hurt by this in any way and hope that we can have your forgiveness. As an alternative, to try to make good with the players that are willing to give us a second chance, I'm in discussions right now with one of our owners and founders about he and myself personally sponsoring the team. We won't be able to offer near as much as what Anderson/Kelly were falsely offering, but if he's willing to help, we could do most of what the original offers were.
Hopefully we still have the support of the community in our long tread to recover our name. I’m sure many people will want to hate on us for all of this, but we did what we could, what I’m sure a lot of teams would have done, and took a chance. After finding out all the information that we now have, we took actions immediately to inform all parties involved and removed Anderson (Athena) from the team and apologized to the players.
We wish the players that will be leaving the best of luck and hope that they have great success in the future. We will always be rooting for you and hope that you don't think too badly of us.
Of course I was suspicious of this right away and told him not to do anything until I had a chance to talk to these two individuals. Before I ever really had a chance to do anything, promises were made and contracts were drawn up and signed by players.
Random guys make promises to players and draws up contracts without even talking to team management? Cool!
On August 01 2013 09:40 sLideSC2 wrote: lol at contracts being made over a skype chat with a random person, this isn't anyone's fault but yours
Contracts being made over a skype chat? No one ever said that was what was done. It was made by him off of skype and sent to the players.
nonono, i meant that you made your contracts because of someone on skype promising an investment, if i understand correctly. My post was worded really shittily, sorry
I still don't understand how he planned to scam sMi when sMi had little to steal anyway... How does offering to give them a ton of stuff net him any kind of profit?
I don't really play SC2 anymore but I could have at least warned you guys if I did, seeing as how I remember Athena (Anderson Barrett) being a pretty sketchy person in BW. :/
On August 01 2013 09:40 sLideSC2 wrote: lol at contracts being made over a skype chat with a random person, this isn't anyone's fault but yours
Contracts being made over a skype chat? No one ever said that was what was done. It was made by him off of skype and sent to the players.
nonono, i meant that you made your contracts because of someone on skype promising an investment, if i understand correctly. My post was worded really shittily, sorry
I was never involved in that. I came back from my hiatus early because I was told all of this was happening and was left holding the shit.
Everything about this guy was sketchy. We were finally able to uncover the scam after a week on the team. Some of you might ask, why didnt we know from day 1? Well this guy had roots in sMi and friends who vouched for him. He also was great at making up excuses and delaying things, like the long post by DirtyBird explains.
Here is an exert of what I had to deal with.
[7/30/2013 4:33:22 AM] Anderson Barrett: take me to court [7/30/2013 4:33:26 AM] Milad: You told me you would pay me [7/30/2013 4:33:33 AM] Anderson Barrett: and i also said whati can do [7/30/2013 4:33:37 AM] Anderson Barrett: u fucking dumb sand nigger [7/30/2013 4:33:39 AM] Anderson Barrett: fuck u and GL sand nigger, bye bye :D
Anyways, Its a sad day in esports but this isn't the first time a scam has been pulled and probably wont be the last. This was a good learning lesson for me and the rest of the players. DirtyBirD was nice to not include the other things that were said by Anderson. I'm currently team-less and having conversations with other teams. I will be making an announcement soon on new team.
On August 01 2013 09:47 juicyjames wrote: If his plan was to pretend to be a sponsor and give you guys gear (which didn't exist), how did he intend on getting any money out of it?
This was pretty much my first thought as well. What the heck was he planning to gain from this?
I hate to say it, but this was simply too good to be true. If you're a legitimate private investor, I have to figure you're throwing your lot in with EG or Polt or something rather than a small and relatively unknown team.
yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do
It's unfortunate that two individuals tried to scam your team however there were still things you could have done to protect your team and your players. As the manager of your team, you should have stepped in from the beginning to stop them from talking to your players or making promises to them until you spoke to them yourself and made a signed agreement on everything. If they weren't willing to sign an actual contract then you shouldn't have tried to work with them. Any company that legitimately works with e-Sports teams would have talked to you first and made a signed agreement with you first.
I know the actual scam wasn't your fault and I don't mean to say this as if I'm blaming you, but I just hope people learn from these things and will take more proper actions when so called "sponsors" try to come in and just make deals by them saying they will fulfill what they claim to offer.
On August 01 2013 10:00 TT1 wrote: yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do
The more I think about it, the dumber it seems. The guy basically said, "here's thousands of dollars of stuff, trust me, I'm legit" and was believe. Even if you have someone trustworthy vouching for you, there's a certain point of promising stuff where the recipient has to turn around and say show me the money.
On August 01 2013 10:03 NoMicroWin wrote: Im sorry for the nonsense you've had to deal with. It seems quite awful. But what does desRow have to do with any of this?
I'm also trying to figure out how he got that Skype conversation.
Wait so did you actually give him any money? You just didn't get your free gear? Not much of a scam is it? The whole things sounds amateurish as fuck and frankly I've never heard of any of you. Just be less stupid next time.
the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
On August 01 2013 10:00 TT1 wrote: yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do
The more I think about it, the dumber it seems. The guy basically said, "here's thousands of dollars of stuff, trust me, I'm legit" and was believe. Even if you have someone trustworthy vouching for you, there's a certain point of promising stuff where the recipient has to turn around and say show me the money.
On August 01 2013 10:03 NoMicroWin wrote: Im sorry for the nonsense you've had to deal with. It seems quite awful. But what does desRow have to do with any of this?
I'm also trying to figure out how he got that Skype conversation.
Desrow was never involved with sMi. Anderson tried to recruit him, but I told him not to because I knew this was going to happen. Then, he messaged and told him that.
On August 01 2013 10:02 eLeVaTioN wrote: It's unfortunate that two individuals tried to scam your team however there were still things you could have done to protect your team and your players. As the manager of your team, you should have stepped in from the beginning to stop them from talking to your players or making promises to them until you spoke to them yourself and made a signed agreement on everything. If they weren't willing to sign an actual contract then you shouldn't have tried to work with them. Any company that legitimately works with e-Sports teams would have talked to you first and made a signed agreement with you first.
I know the actual scam wasn't your fault and I don't mean to say this as if I'm blaming you, but I just hope people learn from these things and will take more proper actions when so called "sponsors" try to come in and just make deals by them saying they will fulfill what they claim to offer.
As I stated, I was on a hiatus from really managing sMi at the beginning of all of this. Once I found out about things, I told my players NOT to do anything before I talked to these individuals, but that didn't stop everyone from getting contracts and signing things.
I'm trying to figure out this guys angle, and maybe I didn't read the post close enough. How was he trying to scam your team that has no money and no sponsors?
Sad to hear that it turned out this way. This kind of scam happens a lot and just like any team if there was an opportunity given we would go after it. Only thing we can do is just learn and live on.
On August 01 2013 10:05 Aiursc wrote: Saw this coming 4 miles away. 2k a month + alienware gear on a notepad contract? Seriously? sMi...more like SMH
It wasn't 2k a month. None of the players were offered any more than $500 a month as far as I know. As I said, I was very out of the loop during the very initial stages of all of this.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
Wait, so the Athena guy was also the two people who were the same person? I'm so confused...
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
I think this is the anderson guy trying to dig himself deeper into his hole.
I like how his story involves him giving someone his skype password. Thats smart. With Redacted at request in the main topic during andersons confession, I feel its respectful to edit the name of the individual out of some of these posts.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
How did a player miraculously get your account Anderson? And exactly at the time all this was happening? Sounds too good to be true, exactly how all the gear/salary sounded when you offered it.
On August 01 2013 10:04 RemarK wrote: A surprising turn of events
sMi
It sounded really sketchy since the beginning when we were explained by a former teammate on what was going on, I wouldn't say I'm surprised at all. All the best towards the players though, some of them are really good.
On August 01 2013 09:59 Penguin7 wrote: so why did anderson message desrow, was desrow involved?
Anderson mention many times that he is bring desrow and major into the team, but I refuted him and insisted that I will have no des nor row in my house, because me and desrow don't see eye to eye on things, and we had a little history that some of you guys might know.
That being said, without any evidence of how desrow is involved in this and why anderson is communicating with desrow and letting him know the plan has failed. Let's use logic to reason this out, let's suppose desrow is in it with anderson, and their objective was to make money, how is desrow being on smi help them scam money off the team? I can't think of anything that is reasonable, let's suppose they managed to get enough big name players on false promises and use the player's reputation to attract a real sponsorship. But reputation of desrow and major? They hasn't won anything meaningful since sc2 was in beta, nobody would sponsor a team with these 2 players.
The above is a negative proof that desrow is not involve by going through the logic on how he could not scam team smi for money if he was involved.
On August 01 2013 10:02 eLeVaTioN wrote: It's unfortunate that two individuals tried to scam your team however there were still things you could have done to protect your team and your players. As the manager of your team, you should have stepped in from the beginning to stop them from talking to your players or making promises to them until you spoke to them yourself and made a signed agreement on everything. If they weren't willing to sign an actual contract then you shouldn't have tried to work with them. Any company that legitimately works with e-Sports teams would have talked to you first and made a signed agreement with you first.
I know the actual scam wasn't your fault and I don't mean to say this as if I'm blaming you, but I just hope people learn from these things and will take more proper actions when so called "sponsors" try to come in and just make deals by them saying they will fulfill what they claim to offer.
As I stated, I was on a hiatus from really managing sMi at the beginning of all of this. Once I found out about things, I told my players NOT to do anything before I talked to these individuals, but that didn't stop everyone from getting contracts and signing things.
I understand that, trust me I do. But when you were able to comeback and resume your involvement with the team, you should have stopped it then. You're still the manager of the team (and I'm going to assume the only manager of the team) so you still could have questioned and put an end to this as soon as you were able to return. Now yes I understand they went and talked to players without your knowledge but IMO when your hiatus was over you should have told your players to disregard what they signed until you spoke to both of them and got a signed contract on your end. If they wouldn't agree to that then you should have stopped communication with them immediately instead of going along with this for as long as you did and now wasting your players time as they thought everything was good up until the very last conflict occurred where you finally kicked them.
Again, I don't mean this to come out as me blaming you solely for what happened, but just next time try to take precaution with people who claim to sponsor and take the proper approach of getting signed agreements on your end before letting it get to your players.
On August 01 2013 09:59 Penguin7 wrote: so why did anderson message desrow, was desrow involved?
Anderson mention many times that he is bring desrow and major into the team, but I refuted him and insisted that I will have no des nor row in my house, because me and desrow don't see eye to eye on things, and we had a little history that some of you guys might know.
That being said, without any evidence of how desrow is involved in this and why anderson is communicating with desrow and letting him know the plan has failed. Let's use logic to reason this out, let's suppose desrow is in it with anderson, and their objective was to make money, how is desrow being on smi help them scam money off the team? I can't think of anything that is reasonable, let's suppose they managed to get enough big name players on false promises and use the player's reputation to attract a real sponsorship. But reputation of desrow and major? They hasn't won anything meaningful since sc2 was in beta, nobody would sponsor a team with these 2 players.
The above is a negative proof that desrow is not involve by going through the logic on how he could not scam team smi for money if he was involved.
Ok thank you, i was just wondering, was kinda confused on that part
Sorry it unfolded the way it did for you guys at sMi, but tbh I am sure most of the people familiar with the situation knew you guys were being scammed. Also, as much as I feel for some of the players on your team, there are a select few that are fakes and frauds (not just Athena). I am sure the real talent will find a home with new teams.
But I really do feel bad for team smi they are one of my favorites to win omgl. This was just unlucky, I like to root for jimrising whenever I can. him being on smi was really cool to see. Either way smi will keep the same(strong) reputation they had with me even before the scam We have a personal sponsor as well, but he never falls back on promises ever. This was just unlucky and I wish you guys luck in the future for finding real sponsors as you lead a very strong team.
When will this new razer keyboard prototype become official? It looks really cool, like a standard 5 bucks dell keyboard, which I'm using right now, what a coincidence!
How can you POSSIBLY believe this will help your case when you offered Alienware X51 and brand new razer equipment, it's beyond me.
Also I don't understand you guys, he sounded really shady and with that I mean obvious as hell. But I still hope you recover from this and find a honest sponsor. Just don't be that naive anymore.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
kinda off topic but why do u have a chix name? are u into all that falsifying identification/bondage stuff?
I agree, the best way to come off as trustworthy is starting your post with "Yeah, I was arrested twice for fraud, but I never got charged for it because the evidence they had wasn't as tight as they thought it was."
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
Man I'm blushing now, Anderson you make me look good, i appreciate this.
im sry this happened but you should do your research on the people you work with before signing anything. If they tell you to hurry etc, just tell them to wait or deal is off.
well rei people say i was trying to take money from the team...which isnt true...i dont know where that came from..so figured i would clear that one up
You know maybe it was sMi's own fault , but I think y'all should give them a break. As management for an amateur team myself, breaking into the pro scene with sponsors and having a solid team is the holy frail. If people offer you money and write up what look like legit contracts it's easy to over look some details. if a guy has a good reputation, history with the team and a relationship with the players I can see how it would seem fairly reasonable of them to wait for money and not look a gift horse in the mouth. Bottom line is this guy is a sketchy as whole who needs to get what's coming to him.
Wow... seems like there was a good share of people being dumb all around. Seems like the guy Athena might be a chronic liar is all.
I haven't played SC2 in ages... but pretty sure last time I checked not like sMi has any money to take lol. We did make a few shirts once, NonY has one!
On August 01 2013 09:59 Penguin7 wrote: so why did anderson message desrow, was desrow involved?
Anderson mention many times that he is bring desrow and major into the team, but I refuted him and insisted that I will have no des nor row in my house, because me and desrow don't see eye to eye on things, and we had a little history that some of you guys might know.
That being said, without any evidence of how desrow is involved in this and why anderson is communicating with desrow and letting him know the plan has failed. Let's use logic to reason this out, let's suppose desrow is in it with anderson, and their objective was to make money, how is desrow being on smi help them scam money off the team? I can't think of anything that is reasonable, let's suppose they managed to get enough big name players on false promises and use the player's reputation to attract a real sponsorship. But reputation of desrow and major? They hasn't won anything meaningful since sc2 was in beta, nobody would sponsor a team with these 2 players.
The above is a negative proof that desrow is not involve by going through the logic on how he could not scam team smi for money if he was involved.
Sigh this is exactly why I asked to be removed from the OP. He added me on skype and I wanted to hear what he had to offer while knowing how shady of a reputation he had. I've been a good acquaintance of JimRising for about a year so once Jim told me sMi was breaking promises with, I copypasted those logs to Jim as soon as possible. The OP never asked my permission to post those logs and that's unfortunate.
I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Probably just trolling. I mean, I can't think of what rationale he could come up with for you to give him anything.
On August 01 2013 10:41 FXOJimRising wrote: I'm scared Anderson Barrett jr. have my all information address and other things but no problem i have DLords protecting me
On August 01 2013 09:59 Penguin7 wrote: so why did anderson message desrow, was desrow involved?
Anderson mention many times that he is bring desrow and major into the team, but I refuted him and insisted that I will have no des nor row in my house, because me and desrow don't see eye to eye on things, and we had a little history that some of you guys might know.
That being said, without any evidence of how desrow is involved in this and why anderson is communicating with desrow and letting him know the plan has failed. Let's use logic to reason this out, let's suppose desrow is in it with anderson, and their objective was to make money, how is desrow being on smi help them scam money off the team? I can't think of anything that is reasonable, let's suppose they managed to get enough big name players on false promises and use the player's reputation to attract a real sponsorship. But reputation of desrow and major? They hasn't won anything meaningful since sc2 was in beta, nobody would sponsor a team with these 2 players.
The above is a negative proof that desrow is not involve by going through the logic on how he could not scam team smi for money if he was involved.
Sigh this is exactly why I asked to be removed from the OP. He added me on skype and I wanted to hear what he had to offer while knowing how shady of a reputation he had. I've been a good acquaintance of JimRising for about a year so once Jim told me sMi was breaking promises with, I copypasted those logs to Jim as soon as possible. The OP never asked my permission to post those logs and that's unfortunate.
And I redacted your name as soon as you asked me to.
On August 01 2013 10:25 MadVillian wrote: Sorry it unfolded the way it did for you guys at sMi, but tbh I am sure most of the people familiar with the situation knew you guys were being scammed. Also, as much as I feel for some of the players on your team, there are a select few that are fakes and frauds (not just Athena). I am sure the real talent will find a home with new teams.
Thanks for giving us the full story! :D
Thanks Brad. Dont worry too much, we will find new homes on credible teams! Teams that have actual sponsors. I wish SCA the best.
On August 01 2013 10:41 FXOJimRising wrote: I'm scared Anderson Barrett jr. have my all information address and other things but no problem i have DLords protecting me
On August 01 2013 10:04 RemarK wrote: A surprising turn of events
sMi
It sounded really sketchy since the beginning when we were explained by a former teammate on what was going on, I wouldn't say I'm surprised at all. All the best towards the players though, some of them are really good.
Thank you, that means a lot coming from an SCA player. We will keep the community updated with any new teams/developments!
Wait what's the scam? From what it sounds like, he was just lying his ass off in order to become part of the team in some capacity but nothing to offer.
On August 01 2013 10:46 BlackPanther wrote: Wait what's the scam? From what it sounds like, he was just lying his ass off in order to become part of the team in some capacity but nothing to offer.
Did you miss the part about promising salaries and gear, signing contracts, and then not delivering on them?
On August 01 2013 10:40 sMiAthena wrote: well rei people say i was trying to take money from the team...which isnt true...i dont know where that came from..so figured i would clear that one up
So what exactly were you doing? I have read the entire thread and I'm not even close to figuring that out.
On August 01 2013 10:44 GizmoPT wrote: what if its all a lie to help team get real sponsors :O
That's actually a good point you bring up, and might be a big possibility with the talent we had, we would have definitely brought the attention of some real sponsors.
On August 01 2013 10:40 sMiAthena wrote: well rei people say i was trying to take money from the team...which isnt true...i dont know where that came from..so figured i would clear that one up
I love this guy : "i wasnt tryign to take money from the team"
no indeed, you were just being one hell of a fucking asshole, seriously how can people like you live with themselves? Go see a psychiatrist
On August 01 2013 10:41 SkaPunk wrote: You know maybe it was sMi's own fault , but I think y'all should give them a break. As management for an amateur team myself, breaking into the pro scene with sponsors and having a solid team is the holy frail. If people offer you money and write up what look like legit contracts it's easy to over look some details. if a guy has a good reputation, history with the team and a relationship with the players I can see how it would seem fairly reasonable of them to wait for money and not look a gift horse in the mouth. Bottom line is this guy is a sketchy as whole who needs to get what's coming to him.
thank you. I'm happy we caught him early rather than later and didnt let him continue to develop the scam and w/e goal he had.
On August 01 2013 10:40 sMiAthena wrote: well rei people say i was trying to take money from the team...which isnt true...i dont know where that came from..so figured i would clear that one up
So what exactly were you doing? I have read the entire thread and I'm not even close to figuring that out.
Exactly, I am so clueless. What was your intention Athena? Why don't you explain the whole story from your point of view, this whole thing seems so senseless, there must've been a goal.
I mean for a scam the guy that pulled it was a moron. How did he expect to make money? I mean to me just sounds like an idiot tried to scam a team but the only thing he scammed them of was putting SMI in their team name for what 3 weeks?
On August 01 2013 10:53 blade55555 wrote: I mean for a scam the guy that pulled it was a moron. How did he expect to make money? I mean to me just sounds like an idiot tried to scam a team but the only thing he scammed them of was putting SMI in their team name for what 3 weeks?
hey blade, i remember you from ladder
anyways, we got lucky that it scammed us out of time and energy. We got him quite fast, and I rather not think what would've happened if we let the scam go on.. I imagine he had some end goal.. although no idea.
there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
and my name is Athena, idk, ive just always used that name since sc/bw days..always was big into greek mythology, and "athena" in particular grabbed my attention.
crap like this is why esports struggles to achieve legitimacy lying scumbag players, naive stupid teams, and foolish managers WHO BASE BUSINESS DECISIONS ON FREAKING SKYPE CONVOS
Anderson Barrett was boosted to GM by myself and a few others.
So you boosted from bronze to gold and the "few others" got him to GM? Is it possible to boost someone to GM without being in GM yourself? These are the questions we must ask ourselves.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
Dude, just leave while you can, no one on here believes a word you say. Not to mention the sponsor you had isn't a real person and your LoL team was made up probably while you were getting that REM. You brought this on yourself, and you look like a pedo.
On August 01 2013 11:01 sMiAthena wrote: and my name is Athena, idk, ive just always used that name since sc/bw days..always was big into greek mythology, and "athena" in particular grabbed my attention.
i myself have always been a fan of ares, wat are ur thoughts on pseudologoi?
LOL. I should have mentioned this before but NaNocloud is a huge huge fraud. He claimed to be the account Anonymous/STxSoulbyun on NA ladder just because he was on the account and I knew it was Neeb and told everyone he's a top 16 grandmaster. Can we get Neeb to confirm this? Not sure why he would let him on his account other then paying him money. He's lying right now by saying he's leveling other peoples acc when its not really even him who's doing the leveling. BTW if you want to deny this. I already have proof and I have others who can confirm this.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
Why are you still trying to play victim?! Why would there be a pro LoL team that makes Kelly 200,000 a year when they don't even have a working website??! If you google "visionary gaming" and LoL you get NOTHING. Just a couple of forum posts....
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
I've been sitting at my computer for the past 20 minutes trying to figure out how you manage to be this brainless merely by nature and not on purpose. I can't even comprehend why you're trying to play the victim at this point with so much evidence against you.
It's gg no re, bro.
Best of luck to sMi and their players. A lot of them have talent. sMi hwaiting~~
Also, reading this I can't help but think DirtyBirD and rei should have blown the whistle a bit earlier. I read along and went "red flag" more than a few times before DirtyBirD said he ran background checks. Frankly, I think that should have happened as soon as he said he wanted to sponsor you. It just seems like the safest route to any sponsorship or anything involving money. I understand how busy the managers were, but hopefully if/when they nab another sponsorship proposal they do their research first.
On August 01 2013 11:06 Rickyvalle21 wrote: LOL. I should have mentioned this before but NaNocloud is a huge huge fraud. He claimed to be the account Anonymous/STxSouldbyun on NA ladder just because he was on the account and I knew it was Neeb and told everyone he's a top 16 grandmaster. Can we get Neeb to confirm this? Not sure why he would let him on his account other then paying him money. He's lying right now by saying he's leveling other peoples acc when its not really even him who's doing the leveling. BTW if you want to deny this. I already have proof and I have others who can confirm this.
On August 01 2013 10:59 IcedBacon wrote: Read the whole thing because I was bored, but goddamn you guys played along WAY too long. So obvious it was bullshit early on :p
it's easy to point out when you have the facts laid out all infront of you like this. I'm not going to lie, in hindsight we were very naive. The single and most important factor that made us believe in him was that he spent 2 months of gaming literally 5-7 hours a day with a couple of us on skype. We very grew close as friends and had no reason not to trust him. He also never asked us to put any money in it (minus nanocloud boosting his account); we weren't losing anything really because at the time sMi had nothing (money, sponsorships, top tier players, etc).
This is a very sad thing to happen, but I did get to meet a lot of incredible people and have learned worlds since the beginning of this whole ordeal.
Rickyvalle21, you are 100% correct in this, Team SCA after having feeling "NanoCloud" isn't who he is we did investigating of our own. We have several replays of Nanocloud playing with 3-4 different hotkey setups and one when he is playing Zerg. We've also talked to people in Milad's CSL team who have told Nanocloud he is a Gold level zerg player. The only time a replay looked like it was actually Nanocloud was when he was playing Zerg in the replay. We believe he is paying several other players to level his account. But we didn't come forth with this. Because people like him really aren't worth our time. He'll just deny it and refuse to play you to prove it to you unless you give him a certain time to get his leveler on. We also compared Neeb's hotkeys with Nano's so we also know it isn't Neeb boosting him. But someone else.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
Why are you still trying to play victim?! Why would there be a pro LoL team that makes Kelly 200,000 a year when they don't even have a working website??! If you google "visionary gaming" and LoL you get NOTHING. Just a couple of forum posts....
At least y'all got scammed by an extremely well written and intelligent guy! Who also is fantastic with capitalization!
On August 01 2013 11:06 Rickyvalle21 wrote: LOL. I should have mentioned this before but NaNocloud is a huge huge fraud. He claimed to be the account Anonymous/STxSouldbyun on NA ladder just because he was on the account and I knew it was Neeb and told everyone he's a top 16 grandmaster. Can we get Neeb to confirm this? Not sure why he would let him on his account other then paying him money. He's lying right now by saying he's leveling other peoples acc when its not really even him who's doing the leveling. BTW if you want to deny this. I already have proof and I have others who can confirm this.
Trust me when I say this we have been down this road. Only thing he can do to prove his legitimacy is stream himself playing some games with a webcam. Everyone else can choose to believe every word he says blindly if they choose. He dodged last time real hard. Also he is good friends with Neeb.
Wait im so confused.. so he pretended to buy things for you guys and then sell them to you for 20$ each? This is either the worst scam ever or the guy is a total idiot.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
Athena, Let me ask you a question from bro to bro.
Are you sure what you are living is the life of your dreams. Are you sure your activities will lead you into being a happy human being, living the life you were meant to live?
This is YOUR LIFE. It is up to you what you make of it.
Now, if I am honest with you, I am not sure if these activities will lead you down a great path... a path of true happiness.
So let me encourage you to WAKE UP and start living up to your potential.
It is never too late to start.
Start now! Having the vision will be your first step. The rest, is the intention.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
You did clear up absolutely nothing with your response. You are right, no one should hold you responsible for going out for a night, but that doesn't explain the used crap and cheap-ass equipment in your pictures. That's nowhere near brand new razer stuff. Also, you said your "sponsor" was a razer employee, yet even razer doesn't know that guy at all. And that's only one example from like hundreds.
If you ask me, the team management was very naive and handled the situation kinda poorly. But you were right, everyone makes mistakes and I'm sure the community will forgive the management pretty quickly. On the other hand, the fact that you come on TL and still cling to one of the most shady stories I've encountered in my whole life is just the icing on the cake. You are really one of the biggest douchebags I've ever seen.
You guys are so quick with your pitchforks, here's one who totally deserves to be poked in the ass multiple times.
On August 01 2013 10:59 IcedBacon wrote: Read the whole thing because I was bored, but goddamn you guys played along WAY too long. So obvious it was bullshit early on :p
He also never asked us to put any money in it (minus nanocloud boosting his account); we weren't losing anything really because at the time sMi had nothing (money, sponsorships, top tier players, etc).
I don't get how he even planned to scam you. I can't decide whether to laugh my ass off at how stupid he has to be to pull this off or sit here in disbelief
also, fair enough on "it's easy to figure this out with all the facts laid out in front of you" bit.
yo athena would u mind sending me a few of ur spare keyboards, mice etc? kinda unfortunate that things didnt pan out with smi but it would be a shame if all that gear went unused
much appreciated <3 and i wish you the best of luck with all your future endeavors
On August 01 2013 09:52 NanoClouD wrote: Dear community, I was recruited onto sMi as the captain for the main roster and coach for the players. It was a great opportunity to get better at coaching as well as to meet and learn from the other players on the main roster. Some of them were former teammates/friends and the others soon became friends. We were able to develop strong bonds that will stay past this incident. As it was detailed above, this guy scammed everyone including the players he brought on with the fake contracts as well as the former smi players who were on the team before the new roster was made.
Anderson Barrett was boosted to GM by myself and a few others. We boosted him for money split between 4 people. I paid the 3 others and was waiting for the money. However, Anderson informed he he didn't know how to use paypal, western union, and that his credit cards were blocked. He told me the best way to send me money was via prepaid gift cards.......those also turned out to be a scam. Then he told me the personal sponsor would send me money. This turned out to also be a scam. It became quite apparent that the fake Kelly Dawn was also Anderson.
Everything about this guy was sketchy. We were finally able to uncover the scam after a week on the team. Some of you might ask, why didnt we know from day 1? Well this guy had roots in sMi and friends who vouched for him. He also was great at making up excuses and delaying things, like the long post by DirtyBird explains.
Here is an exert of what I had to deal with.
[7/30/2013 4:33:22 AM] Anderson Barrett: take me to court [7/30/2013 4:33:26 AM] Milad: You told me you would pay me [7/30/2013 4:33:33 AM] Anderson Barrett: and i also said whati can do [7/30/2013 4:33:37 AM] Anderson Barrett: u fucking dumb sand nigger [7/30/2013 4:33:39 AM] Anderson Barrett: fuck u and GL sand nigger, bye bye :D
Anyways, Its a sad day in esports but this isn't the first time a scam has been pulled and probably wont be the last. This was a good learning lesson for me and the rest of the players. DirtyBirD was nice to not include the other things that were said by Anderson. I'm currently team-less and having conversations with other teams. I will be making an announcement soon on new team.
Sad day in esports ? are u kidding ? Anderson Barrett was boosted to GM by myself and a few others. We boosted him for money split between 4 people. I paid the 3 others and was waiting for the money And when u guys got scammed, you said it's sad day in esport ?
On August 01 2013 11:12 LuckyStarcraft2 wrote: Rickyvalle21, you are 100% correct in this, Team SCA after having feeling "NanoCloud" isn't who he is we did investigating of our own. We have several replays of Nanocloud playing with 3-4 different hotkey setups and one when he is playing Zerg. We've also talked to people in Milad's CSL team who have told Nanocloud he is a Gold level zerg player. The only time a replay looked like it was actually Nanocloud was when he was playing Zerg in the replay. We believe he is paying several other players to level his account. But we didn't come forth with this. Because people like him really aren't worth our time. He'll just deny it and refuse to play you to prove it to you unless you give him a certain time to get his leveler on. We also compared Neeb's hotkeys with Nano's so we also know it isn't Neeb boosting him. But someone else.
Haha, i remember seeing "nanocloud" stream and it was 100% neeb playing with hotkeys rebound... funny how the kid says he boosts people
Lots of the players asked for proof, but according to the managers we were being "impatient and ungrateful".Well no shit, this is way too good to be true, that's why we wanted some proof. The scammer acted like a complete clueless idiot in chat, and all the players got more suspicious everyday. We were too afraid to ask questions because the management defended him and attacked us when we asked too many questions. In the end we were just too young and inexperienced and apparently have no idea how business works. At least that's what I was told constantly.
Nanocloud, Jimrising, OTP, Jonsnow, Virium, and myself were suspicious from the beginning and worked together to uncover the scam. I’m happy to be out of this mess. Only good thing that came from this experience was becoming friends with the above mentioned players.
"and hope that you don't think too badly of us" This little statement cracked me up, i am not a saint.
On August 01 2013 11:12 LuckyStarcraft2 wrote: Rickyvalle21, you are 100% correct in this, Team SCA after having feeling "NanoCloud" isn't who he is we did investigating of our own. We have several replays of Nanocloud playing with 3-4 different hotkey setups and one when he is playing Zerg. We've also talked to people in Milad's CSL team who have told Nanocloud he is a Gold level zerg player. The only time a replay looked like it was actually Nanocloud was when he was playing Zerg in the replay. We believe he is paying several other players to level his account. But we didn't come forth with this. Because people like him really aren't worth our time. He'll just deny it and refuse to play you to prove it to you unless you give him a certain time to get his leveler on. We also compared Neeb's hotkeys with Nano's so we also know it isn't Neeb boosting him. But someone else.
I know for a fact that Anonymous/STXsouldbyun is Neeb. Also Nano being gold? LOL. I knew he was getting leveled but never knew hes true league. Thought he was atleast decent.
Sorry, but I'm trying to feel sorry for your team getting scammed, and it isn't happening.
I'm really not sure how your team can be that badly managed that you never bothered to check up the credentials of the two people you were communicating with, and yet continued to proceed to communicate with them as though it were a legitimate business transaction. There were already early warning signs that you, and your entire team seemed all too eager to completely brush aside because you thought you would be safe from scams from personal friends. That is a really silly thing to fall for as a professional, especially in this day and age. In the end, it really feels that you really brought this on yourself, and while I don't feel sorry for you, I hope you learn how to actually do business after this, because if mismanagement like this occurs again, your team is not going to do well, and your team's actions reflects poorly on the community. Good luck in the future.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
On August 01 2013 11:12 LuckyStarcraft2 wrote: Rickyvalle21, you are 100% correct in this, Team SCA after having feeling "NanoCloud" isn't who he is we did investigating of our own. We have several replays of Nanocloud playing with 3-4 different hotkey setups and one when he is playing Zerg. We've also talked to people in Milad's CSL team who have told Nanocloud he is a Gold level zerg player. The only time a replay looked like it was actually Nanocloud was when he was playing Zerg in the replay. We believe he is paying several other players to level his account. But we didn't come forth with this. Because people like him really aren't worth our time. He'll just deny it and refuse to play you to prove it to you unless you give him a certain time to get his leveler on. We also compared Neeb's hotkeys with Nano's so we also know it isn't Neeb boosting him. But someone else.
I know for a fact that Anonymous/STXsouldbyun is Neeb. Also Nano being gold? LOL. I knew he was getting leveled but never knew hes true league. Thought he was atleast decent.
Yeah, Lucky and I found out when we were talking on TS, then we decided to compare his replays and his VOD on streams, there were multiple hotkey setups, so unless he plays on two different hotkeys, it's another person playing on his account.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
Woah woah woah hang on. So Massan told Nanocloud to scam people? How is this also not important
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
On August 01 2013 09:43 VoiceSC wrote: I don't understand why a deal being made over skype chat is a bad thing. eSports is international and skype is the best method of contact, imo.
And someone willing to invest enough money to keep an eSports team functioning is also willing to spend a maximum of $2K round trip to fly over and have the contracts signed in person. Let's say $10K if he has to fly in the whole team from around the world. To investors and corporations that sponsor these teams, this is chump change and just part of their investment to the team. I work for a start-up, and you should see the expense reports for our sales people.
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
p.s. the team name is Team Panda Attack Squad
GOOD LUCK HAVE FUN EVERYONE
i knew that if i kept reading someone would have actually said something funny. wp sir.
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
p.s. the team name is Team Panda Attack Squad
GOOD LUCK HAVE FUN EVERYONE
With this team name, I can't resist. Tell me where to sign.
From someone who has worked on an esports management team before, I think there is a lot to learn from. First, sponsorship should be handled through the management staff. Having individual players doing management decisions is a surefire way to create miscommunication and tension on the team. If a player is contacted or has a lead on a business then have them go to the management. Also, make sure that there isn't a ton of comments about sponsorship among the players. Most sponsorships, even for the top teams, don't come through. Teasing players with every possible deal is a definite way to create tension among the players as they keep hearing deals come and go. Unless something is 100% finalized don't tease the players.
Hopefully some of this makes sense and can help you in the future. Good luck!!
Yeah, Lucky and I found out when we were talking on TS, then we decided to compare his replays and his VOD on streams, there were multiple hotkey setups, so unless he plays on two different hotkeys, it's another person playing on his account.
Yea that would make sense because I hit NanoCloud in a 1v1 ladder match and he went afk. He probably didn't want me to see his hotkey set up.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
This is cringeworthy. How old are you people? We don't care about your stupid drama, nothing actually happened, you didn't lose any money. You all seem stupid and amateurish and I don't know why you think this has to be brought to everyone's attention.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
This is cringeworthy. How old are you people? We don't care about your stupid drama, nothing actually happened, you didn't lose any money. You all seem stupid and amateurish and I don't know why you think this has to be brought to everyone's attention.
Says the guy that read far enough to find this post. Just because you don't care doesn't mean others don't.
Any time a "sponsor" says they are going to provide SALARY for a new, unproven and largely unknown team... you have to seriously question it. A new branded computer is hard enough to believe, let alone a salary.
I'm not sure which is more retarded, the fact that the team let this guy drag them on for multiple months, or the fact that they told us about it on TL.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
This is cringeworthy. How old are you people? We don't care about your stupid drama, nothing actually happened, you didn't lose any money. You all seem stupid and amateurish and I don't know why you think this has to be brought to everyone's attention.
because people loves drama, and I am here to deliver.
On August 01 2013 12:02 FSKi wrote: So afaik, nobody lost anything but time. Boo hoo. :-|
On a related note, how does contract law apply to the internet? For example, contracts done on skype internationally fall under which country's legal system? Do all go under the US because Skype is a US company?
The rabbit hole has been opened.
Not true, nanocloud lost his account boosting money
On August 01 2013 12:19 Megiddosc wrote: This is one of the funniest TL threads that I've read.
Best part is I don't even know which posters are really involved so I just assume everyone is
Haha reminds me of a discussion board I was on for a class recently where two people got in a fight but were both posting under "Anonymous" so things got hilariously confusing.
@dirtybird, yeah managers were telling me it was a scam, he was offering me 1,500 to join for no reason, glad i didn't take it and really sorry to hear what happend.
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
I dont even understand what the point of this thread was. Who was hurt in all this? As far as I can tell from the story, no one lost any money or anything. no idea what the conclusion of this is lol.
Scams usually involve some amount of money being lost to the scammer, or at least the scammer even attempting to get the money out of the person being scammed.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
This is cringeworthy. How old are you people? We don't care about your stupid drama, nothing actually happened, you didn't lose any money. You all seem stupid and amateurish and I don't know why you think this has to be brought to everyone's attention.
because people loves drama, and I am here to deliver.
On August 01 2013 12:02 FSKi wrote: So afaik, nobody lost anything but time. Boo hoo. :-|
On a related note, how does contract law apply to the internet? For example, contracts done on skype internationally fall under which country's legal system? Do all go under the US because Skype is a US company?
The rabbit hole has been opened.
Not true, nanocloud lost his account boosting money
Well do we actually think boosting accounts for money is a good thing anyway? Do we want people in gm that paid to get there? I couldn't care less about such a thing.
This might have been the worst scam ever.. or simply someone going for the longest troll in history.
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On August 01 2013 11:02 leova wrote: crap like this is why esports struggles to achieve legitimacy lying scumbag players, naive stupid teams, and foolish managers WHO BASE BUSINESS DECISIONS ON FREAKING SKYPE CONVOS
dirtybird had the best of intentions but he was reluctant to answer any of the concerns raised by members of the community in his original thread. it's unfortunate to see the truth come out now, but my concern has always been that players receive proper compensation if they're going to be represented as being contracted. it is detrimental to the team, and even more detrimental to the rest of the competitive NA teams who cannot offer contracts to players and aren't naive enough to offer something they cannot give.
On August 01 2013 12:56 jalstar wrote: Scams usually involve some amount of money being lost to the scammer, or at least the scammer even attempting to get the money out of the person being scammed.
My thoughts exactly as I read scam multiple times and no money being lost. Like if he took a share of any online tourament winnings I could see it...
The big thing is this person was able to do this due to history and the ability to be vouched for. The best thing that could have been done is notice the problems early on and take action sooner. Don't get strung along for anything. If you can not get concrete information, leave and walk away. Sounds like this was some guy with a lot of time playing SC2, who had friends int he community who did some nasty trolling.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
Speaking of your arrest, can you please explain why you decided to commit a crime in a snuggie??
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
Speaking of your arrest, can you please explain why you decided to commit a crime in a snuggie??
On August 01 2013 13:40 Terranist wrote: it is detrimental to the team, and even more detrimental to the rest of the competitive NA teams who cannot offer contracts to players and aren't naive enough to offer something they cannot give.
Hawk brings the hard hitting questions. WE WANT ANSWERS!
For realsies. It's texas, and he already looks pretty insulated to begin with.
Maybe it was an aesthetics thing. The way his chin turns into larger jowls which then into larger rolls on the shirt. It is like a reverse matryoshka doll made of fat pasty nerd
Alas, as an outside observer, I can only speculate. Hopefully the star of this show gives me the answers I crave.
Wow now that was of things to read. With regards to scareborn, hyper, and the other sca trolls in here.
1) SCA reputation in the community is that of a clan filled with stream cheaters, snipers, and accused maphackers. Not to mention overall bm. Check out this example from SCA facebook page where 1 player decided he had enough of the bm. I wont name the players but they are all sca players. I have tons and tons of examples. Lets not do this guys.
2) SCA claims to have a sponsor, but in reality its the parents of one of the team members and that team member is infact a ddoser. He spends his time ddosing people. I have the chat logs to prove it. The guy even ddosed his own sca members. I also have those logs. Last time I checked... ddosing was illegal o.O
3) SCA and myself broke up on quite the bad terms. I was on SCA for a short duration after realizing it was a troll team filled with bm players, I was looking towards other teams. This was when sMi approched me and other SCA players. SCA is upset that my friends Jonsnow, Virium, Skipper, and of course myself left SCA for sMi. The fact we left, crippled SCA as their lineup is destroyed and they lost most their mannered players.
5) I understand why SCA is upset that all their best players left. I understand that they are mad at me for leaving, but adding drama doesnt help anybody. It certainly doesn't help their reputation as a clan.
6) With regards to my skill level. I play quite frequently with my friends. Many of whom I became friends with on SCA and whom I went to sMi with. Its true that I've cut down from my broodwar/WOL days but I still try to play when I can spare some time. I'm definitely no Neeb. Neeb is way better than me haha. #usafighting
Compared to Neeb or some of the other top tier Terrans, I'm like wood league.
7) SCA please dont add drama to a post that is focused on another person. I'm sorry I hurt your clans strength by leaving, alongwith jonsnow, virium, and skipper. In all honesty, it wasn't right environment for us. SCA was not helping our reputations as the clan is known for bm, stream cheating, maphacking. Literally ask any prominent streamer and they will say that haha. I wish SCA good luck, I hope they can fill the roster. I know you tried to offer mario money to join your team, please dont become another scam situation. I'm sure if you work hard to clean up your clan's reputation, you would get many more players.
SCA, lets have this convo on skype and not in public, otherwise I'm going to have to keep linking screenshots and chatlogs It wont help your reputation.
ALSO Team Panda Attack Squad <--- NOW THAT is funny haha.
To sum up, its sad we were getting scammed. We didnt lose much outside of time. Its still disappointing but it was a good lesson and I'm happy the scam didnt go further. I cant imagine what might've happened or what the possible end goal was.
This is why I was asking for sponsorship information when you announced your team. You acted so defensive when I was skeptical of your personal sponsorship, but it's things like this, which happen much more often than you might think, that make me and other people skeptical. I feel you should have taken the situation more seriously. Personal sponsorships are great, but scams like this are pretty easy to sniff (when you're the one receiving the scam).
Seriously though, don't blow things out of proportion. It sucks that your team isn't sponsored anymore, but your team can still strive towards success. It's not really a big blow to anything except your pride. That'll heal in a few weeks and you'll be well on your way to working towards becoming a successful and thriving team again. The worst thing you could do is let this situation turn into something huge in your head.
Everyone makes mistakes, and it's hard to run a small team and try to go big with it. You gotta take risks and sometimes they don't pay off.
On August 01 2013 10:41 FXOJimRising wrote: I'm scared Anderson Barrett jr. have my all information address and other things but no problem i have DLords protecting me
On August 01 2013 11:26 Jdubs wrote: Hello guys, I am a wealthy millionaire with a passion to help grow esports! I am looking to put together a SC2 division. I have already got teams in multiple games such as LoL, World of Tanks, Dota 2, BW, Civ 5, Skyrim, Minecraft, and Chess Online. I am offering a starting salary of $11,000 per month but there are tryouts to get on the team. You must be at least low GM to tryout and tryouts last for 11 months. After the 11 months I plan on putting together a team house for you guys that will most likely be located in the Bahamas (I own several islands in the area so there may be multiple gaming houses if the players want there privacy). I will also be sending out gaming equipment to the players such as the new upcoming Steel series keyboard the 8G gaming keyboard. I have access to such equipment (3 years before the expected release) because I am actually the CEO of Steel series. Please message me for more details if you want to tryout for my new super awesome team!
p.s. the team name is Team Panda Attack Squad
GOOD LUCK HAVE FUN EVERYONE
I'm a low silver/high bronze player, but I'm actually really, really good. I know how to make hotkeys (even map location ones!!) and I learned this trick that I call the 1a that allows me to move my ENTIRE army (no, seriously...all of it) with a single keypress and a single click. I don't really want to give away my secret, because it's really good, but it involves those hotkeys I mentioned earlier. In addition, I only miss probe production for about ~3 in game minutes at a time, which I think is quite stellar and deserves praise, and when I lose nearly all my games (through no fault of my own. The other races are OP) I only BM for several minutes. In summary, I think I would be perfect for your team, although, because I'm clearly quite good I'd like to negotiate both salary (needs to be higher) and tryout time (needs to be lower). The teamhouse I'm willing to condescend to because I understand you can't go all out. I'll expect your PM in no less than 20 minutes because an opportunity like this is one that doesn't come along for people in your position very often.
On August 01 2013 10:31 Maasked wrote: I really am interested on how Anderson planned to make money from this scam, though.
I really, REALLY don't get it. sMi didn't really lose anything but their time (and pride so it seems) did they? They thought they were getting sponsored but they weren't, so unless they started spending money they didn't have then they never really left square one...
I dont wanna bring up flame bait, but what is wrong with BW/SC2 teams and scamming like this being so damn common?? I worked in a top tier WC3 team back in the day, the strongest WC3/BW team in Canada actually... and everything was super professional and mannered and legit. No one EVER got on eachother's accounts to level boost or anything shady at all. We all practiced hard, stayed polite and accomplished great things (multiple WCG finals participants).
Then in the first year of SC2, I co-captain'd some of the first sponsored SC2 teams / popular BW teams from the iccup days.. And we had one confirmed hacker on our team (a famous SC2 player now, who retired I believe but still) and lots of sketchy account-sharing instances within our lineups for clanwars and such, it was all organized by management above me in order to win and appear to make us seem more important than we were. Of course, me being from the WC3L days, I would much rather lose 0-5 with legit players than win 5-0 with one person on 4 smurfs. But they didnt want that.
It just seems like a common theme in the BW scene. And probably why the north american scene is so bad. Sad really.
On August 01 2013 14:16 SnowfaLL wrote: I dont wanna bring up flame bait, but what is wrong with BW/SC2 teams and scamming like this being so damn common?? I worked in a top tier WC3 team back in the day, the strongest WC3/BW team in Canada actually... and everything was super professional and mannered and legit. No one EVER got on eachother's accounts to level boost or anything shady at all. We all practiced hard, stayed polite and accomplished great things (multiple WCG finals participants).
Then in the first year of SC2, I co-captain'd some of the first sponsored SC2 teams / popular BW teams from the iccup days.. And we had one confirmed hacker on our team (a famous SC2 player now, who retired I believe but still) and lots of sketchy account-sharing instances within our lineups for clanwars and such, it was all organized by management above me in order to win and appear to make us seem more important than we were. Of course, me being from the WC3L days, I would much rather lose 0-5 with legit players than win 5-0 with one person on 4 smurfs. But they didnt want that.
It just seems like a common theme in the BW scene. And probably why the north american scene is so bad. Sad really.
yes, and the fact that the community is so inclined to make jokes at the expense of sMi is absolutely disgusting. it sheds a bad light on us.
On August 01 2013 14:16 SnowfaLL wrote: I dont wanna bring up flame bait, but what is wrong with BW/SC2 teams and scamming like this being so damn common?? I worked in a top tier WC3 team back in the day, the strongest WC3/BW team in Canada actually... and everything was super professional and mannered and legit. No one EVER got on eachother's accounts to level boost or anything shady at all. We all practiced hard, stayed polite and accomplished great things (multiple WCG finals participants).
Then in the first year of SC2, I co-captain'd some of the first sponsored SC2 teams / popular BW teams from the iccup days.. And we had one confirmed hacker on our team (a famous SC2 player now, who retired I believe but still) and lots of sketchy account-sharing instances within our lineups for clanwars and such, it was all organized by management above me in order to win and appear to make us seem more important than we were. Of course, me being from the WC3L days, I would much rather lose 0-5 with legit players than win 5-0 with one person on 4 smurfs. But they didnt want that.
It just seems like a common theme in the BW scene. And probably why the north american scene is so bad. Sad really.
People had more integrity back then than they do now tbh, no one has that passion anymore.
nano are you sure you want to do this? its irrelevant to the thread, people aren't as stupid as you think, and you've made yourself a bit of a joke already. i'm not going to go point by point (i'm sure others will) but here are a couple of the more egregious errors in what you said:
On August 01 2013 13:56 NanoClouD wrote: 1) SCA reputation in the community is that of a clan filled with stream cheaters, snipers, and accused maphackers. Not to mention overall bm. Check out this example from SCA facebook page where 1 player decided he had enough of the bm. I wont name the players but they are all sca players. I have tons and tons of examples. Lets not do this guys.
when you were on the team, you mocked people for believing the cheating reputation, which you know to be false. if you believed it yourself, why did you ever join? i'm going to wager that you realize that its bullshit, because you used weasel words to avoid actually making the accusation. 'people say that...' is a not-especially-clever way to sling mud without committing to anything. do you think you're joe mccarthy or something? ' i have here in my pocket a secret list of communists...'
On August 01 2013 13:56 NanoClouD wrote:
2) SCA claims to have a sponsor, but in reality its the parents of one of the team members and that team member is infact a ddoser. He spends his time ddosing people. I have the chat logs to prove it. The guy even ddosed his own sca members. I also have those logs. Last time I checked... ddosing was illegal o.O
it takes a simple google search to see that copper code labs is a real company with real revenue. the guy who sponsors us is not and has never been a player on the team, and i'm not sure why this would ever matter anyway. he runs the company with his dad, and chooses to use some of his earnings to help fund team infrastructure and events. no one has ever claimed that SCA will pay salaries, buys computers, etc. so i'm having a really hard time figuring out what your point is. it's also rather shady that during your time on SCA, you mentioned a secret connect with equipment companies... can you explain how you, supposedly a successful businessman, were the last guy to figure out that the sMi thing was a scam?
On August 01 2013 13:56 NanoClouD wrote:
3) SCA and myself broke up on quite the bad terms
right, because you lied to people and convinced players to leave the team for an offer that was obviously (and now admittedly) a fraud. you were the biggest troll around and apparently bring a virtual miasma of drama with you everywhere you go.
lloyd's claim was in no way backed by the team, in the same way that no one on the team will vouch for all the idiotic shit you've said.
On August 01 2013 13:56 NanoClouD wrote: 6) With regards to my skill level. I play quite frequently with my friends. Many of whom I became friends with on SCA and whom I went to sMi with. Its true that I've cut down from my broodwar/WOL days but I still try to play when I can spare some time. I'm definitely no Neeb. Neeb is way better than me haha. #usafighting
notice that he avoided ever mentioning his actual level of play? because when he was joining SCA this guy would not shut up about being GM with every race (yet would never stream or practice with anyone)
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On August 01 2013 14:16 SnowfaLL wrote: I dont wanna bring up flame bait, but what is wrong with BW/SC2 teams and scamming like this being so damn common?? I worked in a top tier WC3 team back in the day, the strongest WC3/BW team in Canada actually... and everything was super professional and mannered and legit. No one EVER got on eachother's accounts to level boost or anything shady at all. We all practiced hard, stayed polite and accomplished great things (multiple WCG finals participants).
Then in the first year of SC2, I co-captain'd some of the first sponsored SC2 teams / popular BW teams from the iccup days.. And we had one confirmed hacker on our team (a famous SC2 player now, who retired I believe but still) and lots of sketchy account-sharing instances within our lineups for clanwars and such, it was all organized by management above me in order to win and appear to make us seem more important than we were. Of course, me being from the WC3L days, I would much rather lose 0-5 with legit players than win 5-0 with one person on 4 smurfs. But they didnt want that.
It just seems like a common theme in the BW scene. And probably why the north american scene is so bad. Sad really.
People had more integrity back then than they do now tbh, no one has that passion anymore.
That is a load of shit. Are you being serious right now? There was just as much of this back then too, LOL. WC3 back then was a much smaller scene than SC2 is today first of all, second of all this doesn't happen "all the time" this happens from a few bad people who cause posts on TL about them being bm/scammers.
On August 01 2013 14:30 buckKeefe wrote: nano are you sure you want to do this? its irrelevant to the thread, people aren't as stupid as you think, and you've made yourself a bit of a joke already. i'm not going to go point by point (i'm sure others will) but here are a couple of the more egregious errors in what you said:
On August 01 2013 13:56 NanoClouD wrote: 1) SCA reputation in the community is that of a clan filled with stream cheaters, snipers, and accused maphackers. Not to mention overall bm. Check out this example from SCA facebook page where 1 player decided he had enough of the bm. I wont name the players but they are all sca players. I have tons and tons of examples. Lets not do this guys.
when you were on the team, you mocked people for believing the cheating reputation, which you know to be false. if you believed it yourself, why did you ever join? i'm going to wager that you realize that its bullshit, because you used weasel words to avoid actually making the accusation. 'people say that...' is a clever way to sling mud without committing to anything. do you think you're joe mccarthy or something? ' i have here in my pocket a secret list of communists...'
The community has a perception. I'm not saying the perception is true or not. All I know is we have had players who have stream cheated. Kamker and others have done it against maximusblack, imarine, and others.
2) SCA claims to have a sponsor, but in reality its the parents of one of the team members and that team member is infact a ddoser. He spends his time ddosing people. I have the chat logs to prove it. The guy even ddosed his own sca members. I also have those logs. Last time I checked... ddosing was illegal o.O
it takes a simple google search to see that copper code labs is a real company with real revenue. the guy who sponsors us is not and has never been a player on the team, and i'm not sure why this would ever matter anyway. he runs the company with his dad, and chooses to use some of his earnings to help fund team infrastructure and events. no one has ever claimed that SCA will pay salaries, buys computers, etc. so i'm having a really hard time figuring out what your point is. it's also rather shady that during your time on SCA, you mentioned a secret connect with equipment companies... can you explain how you, supposedly a successful businessman, were the last guy to figure out that the sMi thing was a scam?
The term company can be associated with a group of people who get together. I wouldn't go as far as saying copper code labs is full fledged company. I instead consider them a start-up made up of a few friends. Many of those friends are sc2 players and active players on the team. Also their page isn't even updated and still has
Last time I checked, they didn't have investment money and instead they preform free-lance work given to them from parent companies/partnerships. They have no overhead nor facility/headquarter. I believe they operate online or out of a P.O.box. Last time I checked, their website said they operated out of bangaldesh?These days, everyone owns a software related company. I dont know how many employees they have as full-time nor how they even incorporated their entity. I wont get into the logistics of how to define them as a company, but I just advise you not to throw around the term so loosely.
I wasn't the last guy to figure out sMi thing was a scam. If you read the other tl messages, you will find I learned quite early and became suspicious and alerted others.
SCA offered htomario a salary and he declined. So... I guess that claim of salaries is thrown out the window?
right, because you lied to people and convinced players to leave the team for an offer that was obviously (and now admittedly) a fraud. you were the biggest troll around and apparently bring a virtual miasma of drama with you everywhere you go.
The drama began when sca players decided to troll this post. I didn't lie to anyone. The players left sca tag before I even left it. I honestly didnt care nor need the contract. I just wanted to be on a team with my friends and strong practice partners so I could grow as a player. SCA was home to many people. Jonsnow, Virium, and Skipper were the only players I played with and got along well with. Unless your memory is foggy, I had confrontations with all the other players on a wide array of issues. Why would I remain on a team where I bring a virtual miasma of drama lol.
I'm happy I parted ways with sca. I never said anything bad about you guys until you kept trolling me.
On August 01 2013 13:56 NanoClouD wrote: 6) With regards to my skill level. I play quite frequently with my friends. Many of whom I became friends with on SCA and whom I went to sMi with. Its true that I've cut down from my broodwar/WOL days but I still try to play when I can spare some time. I'm definitely no Neeb. Neeb is way better than me haha. #usafighting
notice that he avoided ever mentioning his actual level of play? because when he was joining SCA this guy would not shut up about being GM with every race (yet would never stream or practice with anyone)
I was gm with all 3 races. Although in all honesty my zerg went somewhat downhill. I'm more masters than gm with zerg but other races gm.
I dont know where you make your broad sweeping claims. You said "would never stream or practice with anyone". I stream quite frequently, I still do. I practiced on the team with Jonsnow and Virium. I played with them a whole lot of games. That is how I became good friends with both of them.
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I wish SCA the best of luck. I hope your clan's reputation and roster get patched and you guys do well again.
On August 01 2013 10:46 BlackPanther wrote: Wait what's the scam? From what it sounds like, he was just lying his ass off in order to become part of the team in some capacity but nothing to offer.
Did you miss the part about promising salaries and gear, signing contracts, and then not delivering on them?
That's not a scam. That's just someone being a moron.
wow, so much attention whoring on the highest possible levels.
a guy lying his ass of just to be part of a team. scams and lies his way into grand master league? another guy on the same team getting boosted to grand master, lying to everyone he plays himself.
this has to be a team of 14-18 year olds that are just seeking fuckign attention in their lives.
Original Message From buckKeefe: how is it that this scam was obvious to everyone but you and those young fools you took with you? i thought you were some big-shot businessman? #doesntaddup
You can bm me all you want. Dont call them "young fools." People make mistakes. It was a learning process for all of us. Respect us that much. You may hate me but you should atleast show some respect towards Skipper, Jonsnow, and Virium.
Your comments dont help the problem. This is typical sca behavior.
I'm done talking to SCA members. I wont stoop to your clans level. My last comment.
Original Message From buckKeefe: how is it that this scam was obvious to everyone but you and those young fools you took with you? i thought you were some big-shot businessman? #doesntaddup
You can bm me all you want. Dont call them "young fools." People make mistakes. It was a learning process for all of us. Respect us that much. You may hate me but you should atleast show some respect towards Skipper, Jonsnow, and Virium.
Your comments dont help the problem. This is typical sca behavior.
I'm done talking to SCA members. I wont stoop to your clans level. My last comment.
this is a great example of your standard modus operandi when it comes to confrontation. i sent you that PM hours ago, you didnt respond. you made a post saying 'lets keep this to private channels' despite ignoring my private message. then you post it publicly. you sir are a gentleman and a scholar.
This whole situation is pathetic and is really just adding unnecessary drama to the foreign scene, as usual... No one really got scammed, sMi just got lied to and they believed it because they were blinded by the fake dollar signs, teams get scammed all the time and it is really no reason to just go and make a thread about it on TL.
Basically I just see this as a lame attempt to cover up the fact that sMi made a team announcement that is now basically voided, just move along and don't make such a amateur mistake next time, all in all I don't think this thread is going to help sMi's reputation at all, infact I think it will just hurt it.... T_T
GL sMi. , was always one of my favorite BW foreign teams on USWest
I think I just got scammed. All the time I spent in reading this post, I'll never ever get that time back again! Guys, TIME!!!
In all seriousness, you probably should have seen it coming before, even with ppl vouching for this Anderson and him having spent so much time you with you guys. Before this all went down, you should have done background checks on Anderson/Kelly people and also completely refused to have anything to do with a middleman. If somebody wants to sponsor you, talk to that person directly. If they won't talk to you directly or try to force a middleman on you, just walk away. I'm also glad that you found this sh*t out before anything seriously bad went down (like people losing moneys...even though I have no idea how he would have gotten anything out of you guys).
This isn't a bash at smi, but I wish our community was a bit more positive in giving attention to teams in normal times, instead of doing nothing to give them exposure and blowing up whenever there is scandal.
thanks for the warning, but besides that i don't see that anyone was scammed, you were only "scammed" of your promises, but no real damage was done. "personal sponsorship" promising pcs and expensive hardware out of the blue... really guys? you did believe that?!
I feel like this would've been better kept off a public forum..
It's tough seeing how the scarcity of sponsorships for e-sports can lead to this type of thing. Yeah scams happen all the time, but this was just ridiculous.
This is pretty funny. Only way I can see that he could have even gotten anything out of you is if he said that he needed you to cover shipping or pay for him to send stuff, and seeing as that wasn't the case.....in any case, hope you learned a valuable lesson, if something seems too good to be true, it generally is.
worst thing is that somebody else is going to believe this idiot down the road and we'll be reading about this happening again next year. These guys never seem to just go away lol
This is happening to clans that want to be all professional while having no actual top players since as long as i can remember. And it will continue to happen.
I still do not understand what athena is supposed to get out of this. Everybody keeps asking but unless I missed it nobody from the team addresses it? Is the only reason this is even worth a thread to get some publicity out of him wasting of their time? he basically didn't do anything except be a liar idiot and scumbag but I see no gameplan that gets him money out of any of this...
I'm sorry but who will ever believe that a team that just got back from the dead, will receive alienware laptops, razer gear and base salary for no results. Seriously, some times you guys are too trusting
Dirtybird even though you have been out of reach to confirm everything, are the players so "young" to not see how fishy this is? This is just more their fault then yours really. Advise them to think for themselves...
"sup guys, im this multimillionaire and I want to throw money at you; just sign these contrants NOW" ... say what?
Sorry if this is too harsh but these kinds of "accidents" are beyond my comprehension.
Please tell me you guys contacted the Police. If this guy has a record, he might be on probation. :/ if you didn't, contact the police immediately.
EDIT: and if you don't think there's a court case here. Just call Alienware. "Hey this guy claimed to be working for you, and sponsored a starcraft 2 team. Are you okay with this?" Pretty sure they'd be interested in this.
damn sucks to hear this , was interesting to read though . Tim if you need help with the team msg me , i think i have some ways to help. -MiKe aka 'sMi.VeGa
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
What a fucking waste of time this thread is. Some kid spent few months lying about sponsors to an unknown team (participated about 0 times in major tournaments). Yes, that's a huge e-sports scandal hahaha. p.s. 0$ were involved, so nobody actually suffered.
On August 01 2013 15:50 buckKeefe wrote: this is a great example of your standard modus operandi when it comes to confrontation. i sent you that PM hours ago, you didnt respond. you made a post saying 'lets keep this to private channels' despite ignoring my private message. then you post it publicly. you sir are a gentleman and a scholar.
man, you are just shutting nanocloud down LOL. you should ask jake if he still has the screenshot of nanocloud harassing him on multiple accounts after he was blocked.
Stuff like this is ridiculous gotta hate hearing things like this bottom line you can't trust anyone..... Sorry to hear about what happened guys If i could sponsor you I would! Nano Cloud I'll see you tonight! Micro Tourney Son you and me ! >.<
This is too good. I still have no idea how the hell he was planning on scamming this team that has zero money. Also am confused on how desrow was involved. Vote lynch ##nanocloud.
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
Normally I am like, dont bring your drama onto TL! BUT
I take this as a very good PSA. If you run into these guys per chance in the future, obviously call them out on it! (and do go into business with them)
Sadly this is esports. People will always try to scam when they can. Thats just life.
It also makes me mad that people can be so stupid. If youre going to run a scam, RUN IT RIGHT. I hate it(in a way) when, for example, the ex-M5(moscow 5 LoL team) is running this SUPER intricate creditcard scamming gig, and he gets caught because he was sending text messages like "LOL at nasdaq tomorrow) If you going to scam, do it right.
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
He never went over the top bragging about himself as that would attract too much attention. However, he does claim to be top EU and NA grandmasters, with both terran and protoss. Thing is no one knew who this guy was a year ago. He just randomly showed up earlier this year claiming top GM on EU. He also mentioned that he played on the DayNine and Tasteless account for a while, don't know if he still is standing by that statement.
Also, just to clarify, Nanocloud was not a bad person to our faces. Who knows what went on behind our backs. Most of us were torn on if we thought he was legit or not because of this. However, incidents occurred that brought his integrity as a player into question over and over. I'd go on but I feel like we are beating a dead horse here.
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
User was banned for this post.
This is a funny thread. It really takes a moron to think others would be this gullible. In all fairness tho the team didn`t have all their judgement in this either... Well, luckily not much was lost but time.
Well that sucks but I think as a lower level player you need to be very very suspicious of that stuff. There is hardly anyone who would truly sponsor a player with 0 results.
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account.
The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect.
I'll know never to bring to light the fact that there is someone attempting to troll/scam teams again. Apparently we should let these kind of people roam the interwebs and SC2 scene screwing over teams and making big promises to players only to end up lying to them and hurting them in the end.
Does it look bad on us? Yes it does. Does it make us look stupid when everything is laid out in front of you without all of the other minor excuses and other tidbits that I left out of the post? Sure does. However, if I never posted this, someone would have posted something and then all of the actual facts would have never been brought to light and things would have probably ended up misconstrued. I wanted to post all of the facts and get all of this speculation over with.
No, he never received any money from us or got anything out from us, however he was planning to. He was planning to make the players pay him money from their tournament winnings. I never told anyone this because I wasn't going to let it happen, but it was mentioned to me by Anderson/Kelly that they were going to ask for a 15%-30% cut from all winnings once the players evaluation period was over. And who's to say he wouldn't have ended up asking people to do other things with promises they would get paid back?
As I've stated, multiple times already, I was suspicious of things right away, especially after I really got involved. I told my guys not to do anything before I had the chance to talk to these individuals and get them to sign contracts stating what they would be doing for the team, how long they would be doing, and what they wanted in return. However, they didn't really listen because they were obviously really excited to get something like this done. I didn't want us to end up making promises that we couldn't keep to players and end up wasting their time, which is exactly what happened. I made the introduction post because the players wanted the post to be done or some sort of public announcement done and also because I am the team's head manager.
I'm sure none of you would ever make the mistake to trust someone you consider a real friend after knowing them years like a few of my players did. I'm sure all of you check each of your friends backgrounds before ever engaging in any form of business. Be it meeting up to play games at a lan, buying them a headset or microphone, etc, we all do these sorts of things without really looking into who that person is.
I'm sorry we can't all be near as smart as all of you. You obviously would have done things a lot differently if you were in our shoes. I'm sorry we "wasted" your time with this. I'm sorry the players lost their time, energy, effort, ended up not being able to attend tournaments they probably would have been able to if they were with another team.
I was seriously dreading making a post on TL, but I knew that something was going to be posted and it would be better if all of the facts were laid out on the table instead of speculation, rumors, and hearsay. I'm now done with this thread.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
kinda off topic but why do u have a chix name? are u into all that falsifying identification/bondage stuff?
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account.
The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect.
well the person that played me on that replay is definitely him, because I didn't asked him for the practice, he asked me for it, and since i'm just a nobody who needed 700 games to just get out of diamond league there is no reason he needed someone else to play for him to kick my ass, you can see his micro and macro and multitasking ability matches that of a GM level. If you actually load that replay and compare to the two replay on sc2ranks you know what I meant.
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account.
The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect.
well the person that played me on that replay is definitely him, because I didn't asked him for the practice, he asked me for it, and since i'm just a nobody who needed 700 games to just get out of diamond league there is no reason he needed someone else to play for him to kick my ass, you can see his micro and macro and multitasking ability matches that of a GM level. If you actually load that replay and compare to the two replay on sc2ranks you know what I meant.
Maybe you linked wrong game because it shows him with platinum SQ, which is actually very hard to pull off as even a diamond player. Also with less than 100 apm, are you sure you aren't agreeing with what I am saying?
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account.
The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect.
well the person that played me on that replay is definitely him, because I didn't asked him for the practice, he asked me for it, and since i'm just a nobody who needed 700 games to just get out of diamond league there is no reason he needed someone else to play for him to kick my ass, you can see his micro and macro and multitasking ability matches that of a GM level. If you actually load that replay and compare to the two replay on sc2ranks you know what I meant.
Maybe you linked wrong game because it shows him with platinum SQ, which is actually very hard to pull off as even a diamond player.
what's SQ stands for? and that is the right replay, if you load the replay you can see on the loading screen that he indeed have the GM boarder around his protrait.
The thread I linked above goes into more depth on the subject. Just so you understand, you are diamond yet you have High GM SQ, he claims to be High GM but he has SQ of a platinum player.
Also his apm doesn't add up with other replays, he only breaks 100 APM once in the entire game. Lastly, he asked you for practice then proceeded to proxy reaper? Scumbag.
It is pretty obvious those games are when his leveler was playing. The level of play between the game he played with you and those two are night and day.
SQ means nothing. Just a statistical mean of spending. MadVillian is just being foolish, not taking into account of game circumstances or that an average is just an average, the same person can have widly different spending within games, never mind differing persons. If you want to make an argument forlevelling, I suggest against using such made up terms as SQ and use common Starcraft 2 language.
On August 01 2013 23:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: SQ means nothing. Just a statistical mean of spending. MadVillian is just being foolish, not taking into account of game circumstances or that an average is just an average, the same person can have widly different spending within games, never mind differing persons. If you want to make an argument forlevelling, I suggest against using such made up terms as SQ and use common Starcraft 2 language.
I was just addressing Rei's questions, no need to say I am being foolish. It is very easy to get GM SQ on ggtracker. All I said really. His apm was more interesting to me, but tbh I don't need more evidence than I already have.
Threads like this do not give me much confidence that esports can show a respectable face to the public lol. All I really see is retards trying to drool on each other.
On August 01 2013 23:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: SQ means nothing. Just a statistical mean of spending. MadVillian is just being foolish, not taking into account of game circumstances or that an average is just an average, the same person can have widly different spending within games, never mind differing persons. If you want to make an argument forlevelling, I suggest against using such made up terms as SQ and use common Starcraft 2 language.
ya that's what i thought too, I could be a macro monster like the SQ suggest, but I make horribad decisions and have terribad control and execution which is the reason why i'm stuck in diamond league for 700+ games. and Nanocloud could be someone who favors execution and put all his attention on managing his attack to ensure he maximize his unit efficiency instead of keeping his money low.
my condolences, although I find it kind of humorous this guy tried to scam a non-sponsored sc2 team for MONEY. WHat kind of money was he expecting to make out of this lol
On August 01 2013 23:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: SQ means nothing. Just a statistical mean of spending. MadVillian is just being foolish, not taking into account of game circumstances or that an average is just an average, the same person can have widly different spending within games, never mind differing persons. If you want to make an argument forlevelling, I suggest against using such made up terms as SQ and use common Starcraft 2 language.
ya that's what i thought too, I could be a macro monster like the SQ suggest, but I make horribad decisions and have terribad control and execution which is the reason why i'm stuck in diamond league for 700+ games. and Nanocloud could be someone who favors execution and put all his attention on managing his attack to ensure he maximize his unit efficiency instead of keeping his money low.
As a high GM it is really hard to win games without keeping your money low. Where you can lose games off one supply block or one bad engagement. But you will choose to believe what you want to believe. I mean for all we know he was using a touch pad when he played you, or possibly he was playing blindfolded with one arm behind his back.
The thread I linked above goes into more depth on the subject. Just so you understand, you are diamond yet you have High GM SQ, he claims to be High GM but he has SQ of a platinum player.
Also his apm doesn't add up with other replays, he only breaks 100 APM once in the entire game. Lastly, he asked you for practice then proceeded to proxy reaper? Scumbag.
[7/30/2013 2:18:29 PM] Milad: rei [7/30/2013 2:18:31 PM] Milad: do you play [7/30/2013 2:18:32 PM] Milad: protoss? [7/30/2013 2:18:52 PM] Hui Shen: i play protoss for the past 2 season, i am a random player trying to get better at my worse match up [7/30/2013 2:18:58 PM] Milad: gotcha [7/30/2013 2:19:00 PM] Milad: can i try [7/30/2013 2:19:03 PM] Milad: a new build [7/30/2013 2:19:04 PM] Milad: with you? [7/30/2013 2:19:13 PM] Hui Shen: now? [7/30/2013 2:19:17 PM] Milad: sure [7/30/2013 2:19:19 PM] Milad: do you have a sec? [7/30/2013 2:23:09 PM] Milad: tvp [7/30/2013 2:23:19 PM] Hui Shen: just practice the bomber build lol [7/30/2013 2:23:22 PM] Hui Shen: i will play ogogo
The thread I linked above goes into more depth on the subject. Just so you understand, you are diamond yet you have High GM SQ, he claims to be High GM but he has SQ of a platinum player.
Also his apm doesn't add up with other replays, he only breaks 100 APM once in the entire game. Lastly, he asked you for practice then proceeded to proxy reaper? Scumbag.
[7/30/2013 2:18:29 PM] Milad: rei [7/30/2013 2:18:31 PM] Milad: do you play [7/30/2013 2:18:32 PM] Milad: protoss? [7/30/2013 2:18:52 PM] Hui Shen: i play protoss for the past 2 season, i am a random player trying to get better at my worse match up [7/30/2013 2:18:58 PM] Milad: gotcha [7/30/2013 2:19:00 PM] Milad: can i try [7/30/2013 2:19:03 PM] Milad: a new build [7/30/2013 2:19:04 PM] Milad: with you? [7/30/2013 2:19:13 PM] Hui Shen: now? [7/30/2013 2:19:17 PM] Milad: sure [7/30/2013 2:19:19 PM] Milad: do you have a sec? [7/30/2013 2:23:09 PM] Milad: tvp [7/30/2013 2:23:19 PM] Hui Shen: just practice the bomber build lol [7/30/2013 2:23:22 PM] Hui Shen: i will play ogogo
whats wrong with a 12 proxy rax reaper rush? Completely valid build, you would be foolish to discount it
The thread I linked above goes into more depth on the subject. Just so you understand, you are diamond yet you have High GM SQ, he claims to be High GM but he has SQ of a platinum player.
Also his apm doesn't add up with other replays, he only breaks 100 APM once in the entire game. Lastly, he asked you for practice then proceeded to proxy reaper? Scumbag.
[7/30/2013 2:18:29 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: rei [7/30/2013 2:18:31 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you play [7/30/2013 2:18:32 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: protoss? [7/30/2013 2:18:52 PM] Hui Shen: i play protoss for the past 2 season, i am a random player trying to get better at my worse match up [7/30/2013 2:18:58 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: gotcha [7/30/2013 2:19:00 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: can i try [7/30/2013 2:19:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: a new build [7/30/2013 2:19:04 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: with you? [7/30/2013 2:19:13 PM] Hui Shen: now? [7/30/2013 2:19:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure [7/30/2013 2:19:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you have a sec? [7/30/2013 2:23:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: tvp [7/30/2013 2:23:19 PM] Hui Shen: just practice the bomber build lol [7/30/2013 2:23:22 PM] Hui Shen: i will play ogogo
whats wrong with a 12 proxy rax reaper rush? Completely valid build, you would be foolish to discount it
Ya he said he was practicing a new build, if you are not familiarize with the build your hands don't move as fast because you always are thinking about what to do next, that could account for the difference in apm. You can clearly see the difference between not practicing a new build and practicing a new build here
I just read the whole OP, basically first thing I've paid attention to for years. What does he have to gain from "scamming" a unsponsored team? I don't really get what his motive is or why this is worth his time.
On August 02 2013 00:22 Condor Hero wrote: I just read the whole OP, basically first thing I've paid attention to for years. What does he have to gain from "scamming" a unsponsored team? I don't really get what his motive is or why this is worth his time.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
As soon as someone says, "On blast" they basically have zero credibility anymore. Lol
I am still offering my services to sMi, but time is off the essence! You must find me at the Nigerian consulate before the rebels gain access to my countries funds! The fate of the glorious nation of Nigeria rests in your hands!
On August 02 2013 00:52 PrinceOfNigeria wrote: I am still offering my services to sMi, but time is off the essence! You must find me at the Nigerian consulate before the rebels gain access to my countries funds! The fate of the glorious nation of Nigeria rests in your hands!
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
As soon as someone says, "On blast" they basically have zero credibility anymore. Lol
I bet thats what he said to the police before he got arrested
Live free, troll hard. Its a silly topic to begin with anyway. Just meant to grab peoples attention to the actual team.
Fact of the matter is nothing came of the "scam", so there was no point in even posting about it. Was a private matter that got turned into a "PR" stunt. Just a bad judgement call in making the thread. Yes it got the athena guy banned and brought attention to him, but he was probably the most terrible scammer I've ever seen and more emphasis was put towards trying to sympathize with the team instead of the actual issue which is don't trust the guy with 2 county mugshots Lol.
Bottom line, if an offer seems too good to be true it most definitely is.
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
On August 02 2013 00:52 PrinceOfNigeria wrote: I am still offering my services to sMi, but time is off the essence! You must find me at the Nigerian consulate before the rebels gain access to my countries funds! The fate of the glorious nation of Nigeria rests in your hands!
I laughed SO HARD at this.
I think the entire thread needs to be brought back on track though. Why are we arguing about the skill level of a player at some point? It's important for people to see these kinds of things happening to know what to learn from. Naivete or not, that shit's going to happen to people who otherwise see that it was silly in hindsight. It was a post that willingly brought up points that made sMi look foolish in some cases, and I'm sure the OP knew that. He did something that was pretty brave and got shit on for it, it's kinda a shame.
If we take this post out of context, without blame being placed or judgment passed, we get a good account of a team that had their hopes dashed and how the dasher did it. Using that information we as other players can learn what sorts of things we can look at to make sure it doesn't happen to us, or to notice things that might be fishy. "Oh, this is similar to what I read happened to sMi" is a much stronger response than someone simply saying "just make sure you check this shit in the first place". It takes experience to learn in a lot of cases, and by sharing your experience you advance things one way or another.
I don't feel that there was enough evidence to really force this Athena dude out of the community for instance, but there's plenty of evidence posted in a thought-out manner to make me see what they went through and to remember that for the future. We're too caught up on "oh this guy's not that bad, I know him!" "You guys were dumb to get scammed like this" "Why was the guy even trying to scam you?" "You're not even a good team lol" and not the message behind the post itself. It's a shame too, because it seems like the post was made with good intentions.
meh not as exciting as the time people were held up at gun point and robbed at a lan in Vegas but a sorry tale none the less. Esports is like the wild west at the moment.
Very entertaining, I think I've spent about 2 hours reading all the comments here
Just an observation, This NanoCloud guy seems very suspicious. Admitting he has connection to boosting, very evasive about his own play, and anyone who is legit would be much more angry about being falsely accused. If I had to bet my life I'd say he's lying. Also this Athena guy is so stupid, He sounds stupid enough that he might actually believe himself.
On August 02 2013 01:23 EngrishTeacher wrote: Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
do you really think i'm too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one based on how i investigated this whole thing? Have you consider I was the one providing the evidence with replays? now put those facts together can you deduce my motive? or are you not smart enough to see between the lines?
On August 02 2013 01:23 EngrishTeacher wrote: Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
1. do you really think i'm too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one based on how i investigated this whole thing?
2. Have you consider I was the one providing the evidence with replays?
3. now put those facts together can you deduce my motive? or are you not smart enough to see between the lines?
2. ...You were the person to post links to those replays. Come the fuck on.
1. Uh, yes? I thought at least this much was obvious when I explicitly stated in my last post, I quote myself, "still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, ..." Stop digging yourself further into a hole asking retarded questions.
3. Dafuq? What fucking facts? What fucking lines? Man I don't even...
I'm still torn between whether you're genuinely stupid and were just (unsuccessfully) trying to hide this fact, or you're one of nanocloud's pathetic alts/friends STILL trying to conceal nanocloud's gold league play.
On August 02 2013 01:23 EngrishTeacher wrote: Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
1. do you really think i'm too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one based on how i investigated this whole thing?
2. Have you consider I was the one providing the evidence with replays?
3. now put those facts together can you deduce my motive? or are you not smart enough to see between the lines?
2. ...You were the person to post links to those replays. Come the fuck on.
1. Uh, yes? I thought at least this much was obvious when I explicitly stated in my last post, I quote myself, "still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, ..." Stop digging yourself further into a hole asking retarded questions.
3. Dafuq? What fucking facts? What fucking lines? Man I don't even...
I'm still torn between whether you're genuinely stupid and were just (unsuccessfully) trying to hide this fact, or you're one of nanocloud's pathetic alts/friends STILL trying to conceal nanocloud's gold league play.
On August 02 2013 01:23 EngrishTeacher wrote: Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
1. do you really think i'm too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one based on how i investigated this whole thing?
2. Have you consider I was the one providing the evidence with replays?
3. now put those facts together can you deduce my motive? or are you not smart enough to see between the lines?
2. ...You were the person to post links to those replays. Come the fuck on.
1. Uh, yes? I thought at least this much was obvious when I explicitly stated in my last post, I quote myself, "still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, ..." Stop digging yourself further into a hole asking retarded questions.
3. Dafuq? What fucking facts? What fucking lines? Man I don't even...
I'm still torn between whether you're genuinely stupid and were just (unsuccessfully) trying to hide this fact, or you're one of nanocloud's pathetic alts/friends STILL trying to conceal nanocloud's gold league play.
^^ This. rei's loyalty is unwavering even after he somewhat incriminated Nano. lol
On August 02 2013 01:23 EngrishTeacher wrote: Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
1. do you really think i'm too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one based on how i investigated this whole thing?
2. Have you consider I was the one providing the evidence with replays?
3. now put those facts together can you deduce my motive? or are you not smart enough to see between the lines?
2. ...You were the person to post links to those replays. Come the fuck on.
1. Uh, yes? I thought at least this much was obvious when I explicitly stated in my last post, I quote myself, "still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, ..." Stop digging yourself further into a hole asking retarded questions.
3. Dafuq? What fucking facts? What fucking lines? Man I don't even...
I'm still torn between whether you're genuinely stupid and were just (unsuccessfully) trying to hide this fact, or you're one of nanocloud's pathetic alts/friends STILL trying to conceal nanocloud's gold league play.
^^ This. rei's loyalty is unwavering even after he somewhat incriminated Nano. lol
Reading this thread is like playing mafia man, some crazy mental gymnastics needed.
On August 02 2013 01:23 EngrishTeacher wrote: Read all 15 pages and man what a fucking treat just trying to piece together wtf I've just read.
Trying to see things from the perspectives of Rei, nanocloud, nano's pathetic alts, sca members, etc., and what a fucking psychological adventure diciphering these kids' true intentions. For example, still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, or he's actually working with nano trying (and failing) to deceive others about nano's true skill level. Also, still not understanding how people can be so fucking shameless and stupid; for Athena and nanocloud, it's been quality entertainment seeing them bury themselves deeper and deeper with each post.
It's not even about smi getting "scammed" anymore, now I'm just waiting for this nanocloud vs sca drama to unfold further.
1. do you really think i'm too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one based on how i investigated this whole thing?
2. Have you consider I was the one providing the evidence with replays?
3. now put those facts together can you deduce my motive? or are you not smart enough to see between the lines?
2. ...You were the person to post links to those replays. Come the fuck on.
1. Uh, yes? I thought at least this much was obvious when I explicitly stated in my last post, I quote myself, "still not sure if rei is too dumb to tell the difference between a gold replay and a GM one, ..." Stop digging yourself further into a hole asking retarded questions.
3. Dafuq? What fucking facts? What fucking lines? Man I don't even...
I'm still torn between whether you're genuinely stupid and were just (unsuccessfully) trying to hide this fact, or you're one of nanocloud's pathetic alts/friends STILL trying to conceal nanocloud's gold league play.
^^ This. rei's loyalty is unwavering even after he somewhat incriminated Nano. lol
no way my explanation for the apm difference between 80apm and 300 apm is totally logical. Anyone with a right mind can see it easily
Would you give him money before the gear was received, etc? You clearly wrote "after the end of the evaluation period", so after the players start to be paid. I don't see how he could have scammed anything like that, because he would have obviously been busted before that. Was he that stupid that he thought he could hide it for that long, delay payments and still receive a share of prize pools?
Would you give him money before the gear was received, etc? You clearly wrote "after the end of the evaluation period", so after the players start to be paid. I don't see how he could have scammed anything like that, because he would have obviously been busted before that. Was he that stupid that he thought he could hide it for that long, delay payments and still receive a share of prize pools?
I offered $200, he decline. So the only person lost money was nanocloud as he mentioned earlier in the thread.
This is the strangest thing A scam that really can't make money What was he even trying to accomplish? Make you all look stupid? Make himself look stupider?
Well sorry you had to waste your time and apparently some reputation on nothing. That would suck a lot
This is a very unfortunate event. To a team with any less history this would probably scare them for life. I am glad sMi has a history that will protect them from this terrible scam. It's just a reminder to everyone out there you need to be careful and verify they have the funds they offer to provide. If a "potential sponsor" wants to contract your team and not a personal sponsorship then they need to go through the organization not directly to the players. An organization cannot protect their players if they are not directly involved in the contract signing process. I hope you guys bounce back it's nice to see a team with such rich history continuing on into the future.
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote: the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG
kinda off topic but why do u have a chix name? are u into all that falsifying identification/bondage stuff?
A contract does not have to be in writing to be valid... it is just that having it in writing make it so much easier to litigate. But most likely electronic trail can be quite enough to demonstrate the existance of the contract under the 'preponderance of evidences' standard, which is usually the scrutiny level in civil matters.
what puzzled me is : how would that scam actually worked ? by what mechanism the scammer was supposed to actually profit from the deception ? I can see how the deception can hurt the teams and the players... but I quit can grasp how that guy was expecting to profit from it....
On August 02 2013 03:26 E.L.V.I.S wrote: why you guys argue so much, nanocloud is probably barely decent amateur player, nothing more. There are hundreds of people of the same level...
Because he claims to be a top 16 gm player on NA beating players like polt and byun when its just people that are leveling his account and him going on the account to show off and now hes getting on GM only teams like sMi and Nanocloud when its not really him. It already looks like he convinced Jonsnow, Sonic and Rei into thinking he plays at that level. Nanocloud, I dont appreciate you lying.
On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote: When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
shouldnt that replay be a prime example of why he doesnt play at that level? Oh and the 2 games he did play(vs Rob and fraypetraeus) had a different hotkey setup. That should be enough evidence. Nanocloud has an alter ego. Hes not who he says he is.
I'm surprised so many people believed this deal that really seemed too good to be true. Obviously it sucks for everyone involved but even back when I first heard of the deal from a player that joined due to the sponsorship it seemed extremely fishy and I kinda assumed there was something up with it. Gl to those remaining on the team, sucks for players that left their teams >.<
People like this Anderson fellow deserve to be run over by a bus repeatedly. That might be harsh, but it's sad how many people these type of guys can try to scam and never really be stopped by conventional means through authorities.
On August 02 2013 04:14 Nerski wrote: People like this Anderson fellow deserve to be run over by a bus repeatedly. That might be harsh, but it's sad how many people these type of guys can try to scam and never really be stopped by conventional means through authorities.
wtf, run over by a bus repeatedly cuz he's as dumb as a brick?
it wasn't even an elaborate scam, in fact it wasn't even a scam at all, he had no plan, no idea what his goal was
On August 02 2013 03:52 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: I'm surprised so many people believed this deal that really seemed too good to be true. Obviously it sucks for everyone involved but even back when I first heard of the deal from a player that joined due to the sponsorship it seemed extremely fishy and I kinda assumed there was something up with it. Gl to those remaining on the team, sucks for players that left their teams >.<
If it's too good to be true, it probably is, is the way to think about it; especially when it comes to things like E-Sports, where making a buck is a hard to realize dream.
Could you elaborate on what kind of contracts you received ? Did you never have a video conference or call to know what this guy looks like ? Do you even know his real name or address?
This sounds so ... unbelievable .....
If you are young and have no contract, business experience whatsoever, why didn't you include your parents or whomever to bring more sense into this. I mean sorry, this guy was clearly an idiot, but I blame you for being very naive and I hope you have learned a valuable lesson for life even if it is the hard way this time.
On August 02 2013 04:14 Nerski wrote: People like this Anderson fellow deserve to be run over by a bus repeatedly. That might be harsh, but it's sad how many people these type of guys can try to scam and never really be stopped by conventional means through authorities.
wtf, run over by a bus repeatedly cuz he's as dumb as a brick?
it wasn't even an elaborate scam, in fact it wasn't even a scam at all, he had no plan, no idea what his goal was
just let him be stupid
agreed, he doesn't deserve to die, but he is a massive dumb p.o.s. and he'll probably continue to embarrass himself in the future.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
Woah woah woah hang on. So Massan told Nanocloud to scam people? How is this also not important
it's not important because it never would have worked even if they really brought in major, Massan had no idea what he was talking about, and if you listen to the recording of the conversation you can tell Massan might not be serious about this neither.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
Woah woah woah hang on. So Massan told Nanocloud to scam people? How is this also not important
it's not important because it never would have worked even if they really brought in major, Massan had no idea what he was talking about, and if you listen to the recording of the conversation you can tell Massan might not be serious about this neither.
He messaged everyone. He messaged me bragging about it. I believe someone was on his skype account then but Idk. He out of no where messaged me on skype saying : [7/30/2013 1:54:17 PM] Anderson Barrett: i almost got away [7/30/2013 1:54:18 PM] Anderson Barrett: with scamming smi [7/30/2013 1:56:07 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: got away? What do you get away with? [7/30/2013 1:56:17 PM] Anderson Barrett: they found out [7/30/2013 1:56:19 PM] Anderson Barrett: i was scamming them [7/30/2013 1:56:21 PM] Anderson Barrett: with fake investor lol [7/30/2013 1:56:29 PM] Anderson Barrett: lmao someone on my Skype wow [7/30/2013 1:56:37 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You're an awesome human being =] [7/30/2013 1:56:53 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You actually took a player from FXO and promised him things, And you find it funny? [7/30/2013 1:56:56 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You're a fucking joke [7/30/2013 1:57:08 PM] Anderson Barrett: somsone is on my Skype, fucking w/ people -.- [7/30/2013 1:58:35 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: I don't understand, I don't really care.
No one he messaged had anything to do with it lol.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
Woah woah woah hang on. So Massan told Nanocloud to scam people? How is this also not important
it's not important because it never would have worked even if they really brought in major, Massan had no idea what he was talking about, and if you listen to the recording of the conversation you can tell Massan might not be serious about this neither.
He messaged everyone. He messaged me bragging about it. I believe someone was on his skype account then but Idk. He out of no where messaged me on skype saying : [7/30/2013 1:54:17 PM] Anderson Barrett: i almost got away [7/30/2013 1:54:18 PM] Anderson Barrett: with scamming smi [7/30/2013 1:56:07 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: got away? What do you get away with? [7/30/2013 1:56:17 PM] Anderson Barrett: they found out [7/30/2013 1:56:19 PM] Anderson Barrett: i was scamming them [7/30/2013 1:56:21 PM] Anderson Barrett: with fake investor lol [7/30/2013 1:56:29 PM] Anderson Barrett: lmao someone on my Skype wow [7/30/2013 1:56:37 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You're an awesome human being =] [7/30/2013 1:56:53 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You actually took a player from FXO and promised him things, And you find it funny? [7/30/2013 1:56:56 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You're a fucking joke [7/30/2013 1:57:08 PM] Anderson Barrett: somsone is on my Skype, fucking w/ people -.- [7/30/2013 1:58:35 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: I don't understand, I don't really care.
No one he messaged had anything to do with it lol.
the call we are talking about had nothing to do with Anderson, The call was between Nanocloud jonsnow, virium, sonic, onetrickpony and Quantic.Massan and they added me in the middle of the call. I was just explaining to chipmonklord17 that what Massan said was not important, and I think Massan wasn't really serious about it to begin with. And if you ask me about why I was added to the call when the content of the call had nothing to do with me,(they were talking about joining quantic academy to get better) The only reason I can think of as to why I was included into the call is nanocloud wanted to show me he has a lot of connections, and he can get players into teams that is legit. But it didn't work out for him.
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
This thread keeps confusing me. I have no idea whats going on and it gets worse when I don't know who is related to the drama. Athena starts the bar high with his random crap and then comments like this just compile on top.
So let me get this straight. Anderson wants his account leveled to gm, so he gets Nano to do it for him for 'x' amount of money. Nano doesn't do it for an unknown reason, but instead pays other people to do it for him. Why he decided that he had to be a middle man in this is beyond me. Was he trying to make a profit? Was he trying to hid his inability to level an account to gm? I don't know. So then the account hits gm, and Anderson never pays nano 'x' amount of money.
Under the assumption that this paragraph is accurate, it is laughable to assume that people should feel pity for nano. It would be like if someone pays $1000 to buy a bomb to blow up a school, and then the bomb never comes and they lose $1000. No one will feel sorry for this person. If anything, they will be happy that they received some amount of justice for their wrong intents. People rarely feel sorry for others when their predicament was entirely caused by their wrong actions, such as leveling an account to gm.
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
This thread keeps confusing me. I have no idea whats going on and it gets worse when I don't know who is related to the drama. Athena starts the bar high with his random crap and then comments like this just compile on top.
So let me get this straight. Anderson wants his account leveled to gm, so he gets Nano to do it for him for 'x' amount of money. Nano doesn't do it for an unknown reason, but instead pays other people to do it for him. Why he decided that he had to be a middle man in this is beyond me. Was he trying to make a profit? Was he trying to hid his inability to level an account to gm? I don't know. So then the account hits gm, and Anderson never pays nano 'x' amount of money.
Under the assumption that this paragraph is accurate, it is laughable to assume that people should feel pity for nano. It would be like if someone pays $1000 to buy a bomb to blow up a school, and then the bomb never comes and they lose $1000. No one will feel sorry for this person. If anything, they will be happy that they received some amount of justice for their wrong intents. People rarely feel sorry for others when their predicament was entirely caused by their wrong actions, such as leveling an account to gm.
On August 01 2013 10:41 DirtyBirD wrote: I'm honestly not sure if he thought he would make money off the team or if he was just really wanting to play the role of a huge troll. I've thought about that a lot and for a while now.
Identity thief, he can take our identity if he has enough information about us. when we just started all this, he asked me to invite nanocloud into the clan, at the moment I tried but failed to invite him for some weird error. Everybody else that he asked, I invited into the clan without any problem but nanocloud. So i thought my connection was bugged out. He then asked me to log on my account and try to invite nanocloud himself. I complied. and allowed him on my account. After this instance, I came to the realization that there was two different accounts name nanocloud, but only after one of his nanocloud acquired Grandmaster and have a golden shine. At that point I told myself that Nanocloud is definitely working with anderson trying to scam my b.net account to mine my person information from blizzard's website. So I set up a trap, I left my password unchanged and removed my b.net authenicator and waited for my account to get hack, just so that I can confirm Anderson and Nanocloud was in it together, but nothing happened. But i still wasn't sure until Nanocloud did a skype call together with all the players with Quantic.MaSsan. Nanocloud was begging massan to accept them into quantic academy but was denied over and over and Massan told nanocloud to stay in smi and try to scam major into the smi and leave with major as a group so that the players doesn't take any hit in reputation. Now you guys might ask how could this seemingly unrelated instance allowed me to be sure that nanocloud isn't working with Anderson? for one if he was in it with anderson he wouldn't try to leave the team with all these players, two by asking massan this he clearly shown how naive he was and there is no way he could come up with a elaborate scam with Anderson and correlate the timing of switching accounts after I friend add one of his nanocloud account and then log on to the other nanocloud account when i try to invite the first one to clan.
Woah woah woah hang on. So Massan told Nanocloud to scam people? How is this also not important
it's not important because it never would have worked even if they really brought in major, Massan had no idea what he was talking about, and if you listen to the recording of the conversation you can tell Massan might not be serious about this neither.
He messaged everyone. He messaged me bragging about it. I believe someone was on his skype account then but Idk. He out of no where messaged me on skype saying : [7/30/2013 1:54:17 PM] Anderson Barrett: i almost got away [7/30/2013 1:54:18 PM] Anderson Barrett: with scamming smi [7/30/2013 1:56:07 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: got away? What do you get away with? [7/30/2013 1:56:17 PM] Anderson Barrett: they found out [7/30/2013 1:56:19 PM] Anderson Barrett: i was scamming them [7/30/2013 1:56:21 PM] Anderson Barrett: with fake investor lol [7/30/2013 1:56:29 PM] Anderson Barrett: lmao someone on my Skype wow [7/30/2013 1:56:37 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You're an awesome human being =] [7/30/2013 1:56:53 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You actually took a player from FXO and promised him things, And you find it funny? [7/30/2013 1:56:56 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: You're a fucking joke [7/30/2013 1:57:08 PM] Anderson Barrett: somsone is on my Skype, fucking w/ people -.- [7/30/2013 1:58:35 PM] Matt "FXOkaRmy" Munholland: I don't understand, I don't really care.
No one he messaged had anything to do with it lol.
Thanks for the answer! Of course I went through the other 7 pages to see if anyone commented on it too.
The traditional Nigerian scam would have had him spinning a story about a snag in delivering the sponsor goods that needs a modest loan from the players to clear up. For that matter, he could have demanded/reasonably asked that the team reimburse him for the supposed four hundred dollars of his own money he had spent on mailing those goods. Then there's the possibility of pretending to sign everyone up for a live event and gathering the money to buy for a hotel room and entry fees, and pocketing the money.
Seriously, the fact that the scam didn't get to the point where the victims cough up some money isn't exactly proof that it wasn't a scam.
I'd just like to point out that levelling accounts to GM is clearly cheating. You might as well use map hack to achieve the same thing. Unfair advantage. And I'm out...
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
[3:25:58 PM] Alfonso Giron: Nano, you boosted Athena's account? [3:25:59 PM] Milad: but no wonder desrow warned me about rei [3:26:04 PM] Milad: no [3:26:31 PM] Alfonso Giron: So then what lol [3:26:36 PM] Milad: ? [3:26:42 PM] Milad: what lol [3:26:52 PM] Alfonso Giron: So what that guy wrote is true? [3:26:55 PM] Alfonso Giron: essentially? [3:27:06 PM] Milad: no itsnot true [3:27:07 PM] Alfonso Giron: then what* [3:27:12 PM] Alfonso Giron: kk [3:27:12 PM] Milad: athena didnt pay me to boost account [3:27:21 PM] Milad: athena paid me to get his account to gm [3:27:23 PM] Milad: and he understood [3:27:23 PM] Alfonso Giron: ah ok
Anderson didn't pay him to boost account, he paid him to get his account to GM, there is a difference as Nanocloud explains
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
[3:25:58 PM] Alfonso Giron: Nano, you boosted Athena's account? [3:25:59 PM] Milad: but no wonder desrow warned me about rei [3:26:04 PM] Milad: no [3:26:31 PM] Alfonso Giron: So then what lol [3:26:36 PM] Milad: ? [3:26:42 PM] Milad: what lol [3:26:52 PM] Alfonso Giron: So what that guy wrote is true? [3:26:55 PM] Alfonso Giron: essentially? [3:27:06 PM] Milad: no itsnot true [3:27:07 PM] Alfonso Giron: then what* [3:27:12 PM] Alfonso Giron: kk [3:27:12 PM] Milad: athena didnt pay me to boost account [3:27:21 PM] Milad: athena paid me to get his account to gm [3:27:23 PM] Milad: and he understood [3:27:23 PM] Alfonso Giron: ah ok
Anderson didn't pay him to boost account, he paid him to get his account to GM, there is a difference as Nanocloud explains
the difference is he does not have the skills to boost it to gm, he had to wait for his leveler
it doesn't change the fact that nobody gives a shit if he lost money or w/e, he could have just recommended his leveler to Athena
10 Steps to being a successful troll by Nanocloud. 1. Imitate being a good player, and fool everyone into thinking so via levelers/boosters. 2. Make way onto a team. Represent yourself as basically the perfect team member. Good attitude, good sense of humor, good gameplay. 3. Begin to troll streams and coax team members into trolling with you. When things start to escalate pull back and let team take the heat. Constantly give ideas on what to say and persuade them to say it. 4. Start creating conflict within team, opening issues the team has never experienced before. Team essentially splits in two, one side protecting yourself and one side against the trolling you hold so dear. (pro tip: try to time this while team manager is in different country/vacation for maximum effect) 5. Now that you have created a civil war inside the team, sit back and watch it burn. Started pulling a few players to the side. Explain to them how you didnt even do anything and this team is making things up. Find 2 or 3 good players to get on your side. (pro tip: younger the better, they havent had the experience of dealing with two facers like yourself :D) 6. Begin to think of best troll ever, plan carefully and find new team to destroy from the inside out. 7. Find new team and find trolls to troll with you, but make sure they are really really stupid so you can push the blame on them if shit starts crashing down. Making yourself look like a saint is the #1 priority here. 8. Your new troll friends will now imitate a sponsor/middle man to sponsor. You can imitate sponsor yourself by just making up a name or have your friend do both, totally up to you. Once you find a team to implant your parasite into start looking for players. Bringing playres that look up to you and believe everything you say even though it makes no sense is a really great option here. (See step 5) 9. Make the team switch and watch parasite eat host alive. Fap silently in basement to all the shit that is going down around you. But make sure you keep hands clean. (tissues work good here.. hue.) 10. Once their manager makes statement that they have been screwed and you have made fools of them. Leave team and make post to start your own team. Hell you have followers now, you are like a modern day Charles Manson.
Congrats!!! You just completed the troll of the century and most people are left clueless.
On August 02 2013 08:42 Unexpected wrote: 10 Steps to being a successful troll by Nanocloud. 1. Imitate being a good player, and fool everyone into thinking so via levelers/boosters. 2. Make way onto a team. Represent yourself as basically the perfect team member. Good attitude, good sense of humor, good gameplay. 3. Begin to troll streams and coax team members into trolling with you. When things start to escalate pull back and let team take the heat. Constantly give ideas on what to say and persuade them to say it. 4. Start creating conflict within team, opening issues the team has never experienced before. Team essentially splits in two, one side protecting yourself and one side against the trolling you hold so dear. (pro tip: try to time this while team manager is in different country/vacation for maximum effect) 5. Now that you have created a civil war inside the team, sit back and watch it burn. Started pulling a few players to the side. Explain to them how you didnt even do anything and this team is making things up. Find 2 or 3 good players to get on your side. (pro tip: younger the better, they havent had the experience of dealing with two facers like yourself :D) 6. Begin to think of best troll ever, plan carefully and find new team to destroy from the inside out. 7. Find new team and find trolls to troll with you, but make sure they are really really stupid so you can push the blame on them if shit starts crashing down. Making yourself look like a saint is the #1 priority here. 8. Your new troll friends will now imitate a sponsor/middle man to sponsor. You can imitate sponsor yourself by just making up a name or have your friend do both, totally up to you. Once you find a team to implant your parasite into start looking for players. Bringing playres that look up to you and believe everything you say even though it makes no sense is a really great option here. (See step 5) 9. Make the team switch and watch parasite eat host alive. Fap silently in basement to all the shit that is going down around you. But make sure you keep hands clean. (tissues work good here.. hue.) 10. Once their manager makes statement that they have been screwed and you have made fools of them. Leave team and make post to start your own team. Hell you have followers now, you are like a modern day Charles Manson.
Congrats!!! You just completed the troll of the century and most people are left clueless.
I somehow do not think this is the first time that this happened, so there may be prior art. However, my brain is slowly oozing out of my ears on the foamy sea of blood caused by trying to figure out exactly what the hell happened here. Someone, somewhere, needs to set up an eSports boot camp on how not to get screwed, how not to screw your friends, your team, and sponsors.
Preferably someone with a less sunny disposition than TotalBiscuit in full wrath mode.
On August 02 2013 08:42 Unexpected wrote: 10 Steps to being a successful troll by Nanocloud. 1. Imitate being a good player, and fool everyone into thinking so via levelers/boosters. 2. Make way onto a team. Represent yourself as basically the perfect team member. Good attitude, good sense of humor, good gameplay. 3. Begin to troll streams and coax team members into trolling with you. When things start to escalate pull back and let team take the heat. Constantly give ideas on what to say and persuade them to say it. 4. Start creating conflict within team, opening issues the team has never experienced before. Team essentially splits in two, one side protecting yourself and one side against the trolling you hold so dear. (pro tip: try to time this while team manager is in different country/vacation for maximum effect) 5. Now that you have created a civil war inside the team, sit back and watch it burn. Started pulling a few players to the side. Explain to them how you didnt even do anything and this team is making things up. Find 2 or 3 good players to get on your side. (pro tip: younger the better, they havent had the experience of dealing with two facers like yourself :D) 6. Begin to think of best troll ever, plan carefully and find new team to destroy from the inside out. 7. Find new team and find trolls to troll with you, but make sure they are really really stupid so you can push the blame on them if shit starts crashing down. Making yourself look like a saint is the #1 priority here. 8. Your new troll friends will now imitate a sponsor/middle man to sponsor. You can imitate sponsor yourself by just making up a name or have your friend do both, totally up to you. Once you find a team to implant your parasite into start looking for players. Bringing playres that look up to you and believe everything you say even though it makes no sense is a really great option here. (See step 5) 9. Make the team switch and watch parasite eat host alive. Fap silently in basement to all the shit that is going down around you. But make sure you keep hands clean. (tissues work good here.. hue.) 10. Once their manager makes statement that they have been screwed and you have made fools of them. Leave team and make post to start your own team. Hell you have followers now, you are like a modern day Charles Manson.
Congrats!!! You just completed the troll of the century and most people are left clueless.
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
[3:25:58 PM] Alfonso Giron: Nano, you boosted Athena's account? [3:25:59 PM] Milad: but no wonder desrow warned me about rei [3:26:04 PM] Milad: no [3:26:31 PM] Alfonso Giron: So then what lol [3:26:36 PM] Milad: ? [3:26:42 PM] Milad: what lol [3:26:52 PM] Alfonso Giron: So what that guy wrote is true? [3:26:55 PM] Alfonso Giron: essentially? [3:27:06 PM] Milad: no itsnot true [3:27:07 PM] Alfonso Giron: then what* [3:27:12 PM] Alfonso Giron: kk [3:27:12 PM] Milad: athena didnt pay me to boost account [3:27:21 PM] Milad: athena paid me to get his account to gm [3:27:23 PM] Milad: and he understood [3:27:23 PM] Alfonso Giron: ah ok
Anderson didn't pay him to boost account, he paid him to get his account to GM, there is a difference as Nanocloud explains
Wait I'm confused. How is paying someone to get your account to GM not Boosting? Isn't boosting just the leveling of an account above where they could get it themselves?
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
[3:25:58 PM] Alfonso Giron: Nano, you boosted Athena's account? [3:25:59 PM] Milad: but no wonder desrow warned me about rei [3:26:04 PM] Milad no [3:26:31 PM] Alfonso Giron: So then what lol [3:26:36 PM] Milad i: ? [3:26:42 PM] Milad what lol [3:26:52 PM] Alfonso Giron: So what that guy wrote is true? [3:26:55 PM] Alfonso Giron: essentially? [3:27:06 PM] Milad: no itsnot true [3:27:07 PM] Alfonso Giron: then what* [3:27:12 PM] Alfonso Giron: kk [3:27:12 PM] Milad: athena didnt pay me to boost account [3:27:21 PM] Milad : athena paid me to get his account to gm [3:27:23 PM] Milad: and he understood [3:27:23 PM] Alfonso Giron: ah ok
Anderson didn't pay him to boost account, he paid him to get his account to GM, there is a difference as Nanocloud explains
Wait I'm confused. How is paying someone to get your account to GM not Boosting? Isn't boosting just the leveling of an account above where they could get it themselves?
Yes thats right but Nano isnt doing the boosting. He stated "athena paid me to get his account to gm" which means he is getting paid to pay someone else to boost an account to gm if that makes sense. Idk who business works for Nanocloud but im sure its probably not good unless hes getting others to boost accounts for free which is pretty dumb on whos ever doing the account leveling.
In all serious though this sucks, shitty for team sMi, seems like they were too trusting to begin with though.
I find it funny this guy was trying to scam for money. Being a sponsor means YOU give the team money, how in the hell did he expect to get money from them? lol..
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
[3:25:58 PM] Alfonso Giron: Nano, you boosted Athena's account? [3:25:59 PM] Milad : but no wonder desrow warned me about rei [3:26:04 PM] Milad : no [3:26:31 PM] Alfonso Giron: So then what lol [3:26:36 PM] Milad : ? [3:26:42 PM] Milad : what lol [3:26:52 PM] Alfonso Giron: So what that guy wrote is true? [3:26:55 PM] Alfonso Giron: essentially? [3:27:06 PM] Milad : no itsnot true [3:27:07 PM] Alfonso Giron: then what* [3:27:12 PM] Alfonso Giron: kk [3:27:12 PM] Milad : athena didnt pay me to boost account [3:27:21 PM] Milad : athena paid me to get his account to gm [3:27:23 PM] Milad: and he understood [3:27:23 PM] Alfonso Giron: ah ok
Anderson didn't pay him to boost account, he paid him to get his account to GM, there is a difference as Nanocloud explains
Wait I'm confused. How is paying someone to get your account to GM not Boosting? Isn't boosting just the leveling of an account above where they could get it themselves?
Yeah, they meant to clarify how nanocloud wasn't the individual that did the actual boosting, but he had other people level the account for him.
On August 02 2013 09:39 ToXSiK wrote: Blight found a new alias to go under!
In all serious though this sucks, shitty for team sMi, seems like they were too trusting to begin with though.
I find it funny this guy was trying to scam for money. Being a sponsor means YOU give the team money, how in the hell did he expect to get money from them? lol..
Well he posed as a good friend of me and a couple of other people on the team. We were on skype a good amount of the time with him for almost 2 months or so, and he acted like a "friend" you could say. I guess he was trying to gain our confidence in hopes of that one day maybe one of us would share some personal information with him (bank account #s, etc.) I started becoming a little suspicious when people started telling me that he was known to do similar things in broodwar days, so I brought it to the attention of other people on the team.
On August 02 2013 01:20 Atokad wrote: I felt bad for you, until I read about the Boosting. Sorry but that shouldn't be allowed.
But nanocloud lost money because anderson never paid up, he's the only victim in this whole thing, we should all feel for him, have some sympathy people, what's wrong with you guys.
I hope that's sarcasm coming out of you lol
it's like a gold farmer losing his account, nobody gives a shit
[3:25:58 PM] Alfonso Giron: Nano, you boosted Athena's account? [3:25:59 PM] Milad : but no wonder desrow warned me about rei [3:26:04 PM] Milad : no [3:26:31 PM] Alfonso Giron: So then what lol [3:26:36 PM] Milad ? [3:26:42 PM] Milad : what lol [3:26:52 PM] Alfonso Giron: So what that guy wrote is true? [3:26:55 PM] Alfonso Giron: essentially? [3:27:06 PM] Milad: no itsnot true [3:27:07 PM] Alfonso Giron: then what* [3:27:12 PM] Alfonso Giron: kk [3:27:12 PM] Milad: athena didnt pay me to boost account [3:27:21 PM] Milad: athena paid me to get his account to gm [3:27:23 PM] Milad: and he understood [3:27:23 PM] Alfonso Giron: ah ok
Anderson didn't pay him to boost account, he paid him to get his account to GM, there is a difference as Nanocloud explains
Wait I'm confused. How is paying someone to get your account to GM not Boosting? Isn't boosting just the leveling of an account above where they could get it themselves?
Yeah, they meant to clarify how nanocloud wasn't the individual that did the actual boosting, but he had other people level the account for him.
On August 02 2013 09:39 ToXSiK wrote: Blight found a new alias to go under!
In all serious though this sucks, shitty for team sMi, seems like they were too trusting to begin with though.
I find it funny this guy was trying to scam for money. Being a sponsor means YOU give the team money, how in the hell did he expect to get money from them? lol..
Well he posed as a good friend of me and a couple of other people on the team. We were on skype a good amount of the time with him for almost 2 months or so, and he acted like a "friend" you could say. I guess he was trying to gain our confidence in hopes of that one day maybe one of us would share some personal information with him (bank account #s, etc.) I started becoming a little suspicious when people started telling me that he was known to do similar things in broodwar days, so I brought it to the attention of other people on the team.
Ah ok, that makes a lot more sense. Sorry might have missed that part if it was in the OP :x
Best of luck in you guys future endeavors though, at least you didn't end up giving any numbers out!
I find it hard to feel bad for these guys. Its one thing to get scammed by someone you've never met, but geez, look at the excuses.. after the first 2 bs lies i wudve smelled a rat.
I would imagine part of the reason they were still hoping/ beleiving the guy is BECAUSE there seemed to be little to gain. Im guessing the guy would have tried to turn around the "free" gear into "only 20$ gear" if it had continued and that would be his way of scamming money out of smi. Im sorry this happened to you guys.
It sucks that all this happened, but there's one glaring fact that's standing out to me and nagging me.
At a management level, you let people vouching for someone be something regarded as good enough to use as a sponsorship basis. That's basically where it all started, a guy from the past acting nice got him a step in. That's fine and great and all if you're looking for friends or something like that.
If you look from a business perspective, especially a team looking for sponsors, you let personal stuff effect the business of the situation. That's really really bad and shows a lack of business understanding really, it's not a good call, especially after the really really bad first picture. You were going to meet with him and needed him to ship the gear? Like you couldn't get it yourself somehow?
It sucks all this happens, especially for the sc2 scene, for sMi, for everything. It seems like nothing too much has been lost, but that's not really true. If I was looking from an investment perspective, I can't see how I would be able to trust my resources to a team like this. Just that it god to this stage, that it got this far a long, and that it was allowed to go on till it did damage like it did, till it exploded like it did, that signals that resources could be lost during an issue before it was dealt with swiftly and effectively, just shows a lack of business skills. Pretty sucky situation all over really.
i assume that one reason why dirtybird posted this whole story is that the private sponsor that was mentioned in the team announcement thread has turns out to be hot air and that they are back to no sponsor.
this is some noob level drama and highlights how naive many people in 'esports' truly are. Private investor, making team promises off of some skype calls? Horrible business management. You don't deserve to be 'scammed' (if you can even call this scamming, he didn't seem to get anything) for being bad at running a business/team but most of this was brought on yourself.
all the drama about leveling accounts etc., old news, this is 2002 level drama about ladder rankings, nobody cares, kids being kids.
On August 03 2013 01:19 PAtrIOt_37 wrote: I would imagine part of the reason they were still hoping/ beleiving the guy is BECAUSE there seemed to be little to gain. Im guessing the guy would have tried to turn around the "free" gear into "only 20$ gear" if it had continued and that would be his way of scamming money out of smi. Im sorry this happened to you guys.
I think you may be right. Overall, both sides are super naive. The funniest part is trying to scam a team with no money. The guy clearly wants to exceed in stupidity.
I find it very hard to feel bad for the sMi guys because literally everyone else outside the team told them time and time again that it is a scam. I understand that dirtybird wasnt there originally for it, but the rest of the team had their fair share of warnings. I find it kind of silly that they are trying to make a big deal about it after the fact.
I wish there were a "recommend this post?" poll so I would have known to get a big bucket of popcorn while reading that. I mean I * DO * feel bad for you lot, but you have to admit that it's a very uhm.. interesting story.
On August 01 2013 09:52 NanoClouD wrote: Dear community, I was recruited onto sMi as the captain for the main roster and coach for the players. It was a great opportunity to get better at coaching as well as to meet and learn from the other players on the main roster. Some of them were former teammates/friends and the others soon became friends. We were able to develop strong bonds that will stay past this incident. As it was detailed above, this guy scammed everyone including the players he brought on with the fake contracts as well as the former smi players who were on the team before the new roster was made.
Anderson Barrett was boosted to GM by myself and a few others. We boosted him for money split between 4 people. I paid the 3 others and was waiting for the money. However, Anderson informed he he didn't know how to use paypal, western union, and that his credit cards were blocked. He told me the best way to send me money was via prepaid gift cards.......those also turned out to be a scam. Then he told me the personal sponsor would send me money. This turned out to also be a scam. It became quite apparent that the fake Kelly Dawn was also Anderson.
Everything about this guy was sketchy. We were finally able to uncover the scam after a week on the team. Some of you might ask, why didnt we know from day 1? Well this guy had roots in sMi and friends who vouched for him. He also was great at making up excuses and delaying things, like the long post by DirtyBird explains.
Here is an exert of what I had to deal with.
[7/30/2013 4:33:22 AM] Anderson Barrett: take me to court [7/30/2013 4:33:26 AM] Milad: You told me you would pay me [7/30/2013 4:33:33 AM] Anderson Barrett: and i also said whati can do [7/30/2013 4:33:37 AM] Anderson Barrett: u fucking dumb sand nigger [7/30/2013 4:33:39 AM] Anderson Barrett: fuck u and GL sand nigger, bye bye :D
Anyways, Its a sad day in esports but this isn't the first time a scam has been pulled and probably wont be the last. This was a good learning lesson for me and the rest of the players. DirtyBirD was nice to not include the other things that were said by Anderson. I'm currently team-less and having conversations with other teams. I will be making an announcement soon on new team.
Wow, are you complaining because you (and some other people) boosted an account into GM and didn't get paid ? LOL. I only feel bad for what DirtyBird had to go through, but not for guys like you.
Well that was a fun read. Character development was alright, but the plot twist when you realize both Anderson and Kelly are the same person was incredible and quite shyamalan-esque.
On August 01 2013 10:17 sMiAthena wrote: days u knew my passwords, aidan, nano. dont try to play that -.-
Nobody knew your skype password buddy, don't try to play it off. We all feel bad for you, but you just keep digging yourself a deeper hole.
Why would you feel bad for a sociopath?
They sure don't feel bad for you ... at ALL.
to be fair.. it's not as much as they "don't" feel bad for you.. it's that they *can't*. I think it's fair to pity the sociopath... or perhaps even empathize for them, if you're more of the enlightened sort.
- kelly told jimmy - jimmy was secretly working with chad - charley and sam got screwed tho
its hard to follow when its all these names and stuff or is that just me. this stuff makes me think esports is not any closer to being legit though that could easily be the cause of the games more then the community
and how again was he planning on getting your money lol. this plan makes 0 sense
On August 03 2013 10:57 Gr33n wrote: - kelly told jimmy - jimmy was secretly working with chad - charley and sam got screwed tho
its hard to follow when its all these names and stuff or is that just me. this stuff makes me think esports is not any closer to being legit though that could easily be the cause of the games more then the community
and how again was he planning on getting your money lol. this plan makes 0 sense
It's impossible to follow these names. This whole story is just some C-class drama/circus put here to keep team name on the main page for a few days.
This is a sad thing and all... but not once did you guys find this suspicious? I mean use your brain. A company or investor will only sponsor somebody if they are gaining something from it, like advertisement and what not. Look at what is being promised, alienware for everyone + full razer gear. Lets say they plan to sponsor 5 members, that should be around 7-8k already + promised salary? With that sort of investment, why would they not just go for a better known team like ROOT or Complexity? Seriously, none of this came off as suspicious for you guys when you guys were talking about it? This event is tragic yes, but you guys definitely walked into this one.
the plan seemed like he was intent on stealing money but pretending to give pc parts. everyone knows that when you give a person PC parts, his magic pot of money is revealed and the magic barrier protecting it is weakened
clearly this was the plan and im not sure why i didnt see it earlier
Am I a bad person for hoping to find this thread on the top of SC2 general every time I visit TL (which is a fucking lot) to see if it gets any funnier/more convoluted?
On August 03 2013 11:38 Whitewing wrote: I'm confused, what was this scammer supposedly trying to accomplish by falsely claiming to be able to provide free stuff?
Yea i'm still trying to figure this out. This wasn't so much a scam as it was just some guy lying his ass off.
On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote: there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best. i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
User was banned for this post.
I know I'm late to the thread but...
"...it wasn't ME who did this."
Of course it was. You had regular contacts with a fake person. You picked up the gear that was ordered from the fake person. And you were the only person to meet this fake person in real life.
Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
On August 03 2013 11:38 Whitewing wrote: I'm confused, what was this scammer supposedly trying to accomplish by falsely claiming to be able to provide free stuff?
Yea i'm still trying to figure this out. This wasn't so much a scam as it was just some guy lying his ass off.
He was lining up to try and milk them for shipping money, probably light costs assocaited to the equipment etc.
It was an amateur scam/con. Probably just to get a few hundred bucks tops.
On August 01 2013 13:33 TOdesKaMpF wrote: This athena kid seems boarderline retarded.
and who the hell is NanoCloud? I've never played him or heard of him o.0
/e: sMi management could of probably avoided this altogether though
NanoCloud claimed he was just a rich guy with a passion for gaming, constantly saying he owned a multi-million dollar building and several 100,000+ cars such as a 2013 Nissan GTR (which doesnt add up considering he'd spend the majority of his days in our teamspeak server talking to 18 year old boys), he also claimed to have several high gm accounts on all servers. He once obs'd a game between lucky and I, when I asked him for advice on terran he simply said "you should drop when the protoss player moves out". Aside from that he cause alot of drama between players on sca, ex. claiming people were trash talking each other behind their backs along with making up another lie he could to cause problems. Upon our manager coming back to the USA NanoCloud was kicked from the teamspeak but not before convinced other players we had to leave with him promising money and pcs.
tldr. NanoCloud is a sad guy in a basement, hes probably not even wearing pants right now, and he's eaten taco bell in the last 24 hours
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
i would like to know more about this o.o
there are services that collect this data and will sell it to anyone. you can get a lot more information then that actually. My dad uses these kinds of services from time to time in his capacity as a lawyer, its actually WAY easier to get a hold of information you might expect to be private then you think.
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
On August 04 2013 01:54 NukeD wrote: And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
It must be some sort of secret knowledge since we're still hearing about players getting screwed over and situations like this are still occurring. The only thing obvious here is that some people don't know the difference between a legitimate contract and a scam contract that was actually typed in notepad of all things.
So SMi gets trolled......and this warrants a thread? rofl what a joke. For you to get scammed, the scammer actually has to get something from you. Learn the difference between scam/troll. That prototype "illusion" keyboard is hilarious.
On August 01 2013 10:17 sMiAthena wrote: days u knew my passwords, aidan, nano. dont try to play that -.-
Maybe it would be better if you didn't play the "it wasn't me, my account was hacked" card. Almost every time someone has said that in a scandal in the past decade it turns out to be bullshit. Now it just makes you look like an idiot. Although with how many holes your statements have right now, it probably didn't matter; kicking the jenga tower doesn't do anything if it already collapsed.
oh i wish we were allsmart as these teamliquid nerds lelele... either way, like i said before, these events didn't transpire all at once and took a couple weeks to demonstrate their non-legitimacy. Realize that sMi was practically dead before this, which allowed for a multitude of management changes and player recruitments that were all unfortunately led by nanocloud and more unfortunately by anderson. Many here on team liquid would advocate for how Esports in NA is in an amatuer condition; This makes easy targets for manipulators like Anderson....Though he got nothing from this except bad press (nanocloud too)....shit happens
---> 2 Scammers revealed in this thread, Perhaps save some face damage in the future for unsuspecting teams..
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
You'd be damn surprised, how basic knowledge passes most people by.
Though unrelated, do you have any clue how many grand final's I've watched where the winner has NO FUCKING CLUE how to shake and spray champagne? Like really! Koreans just shake the bottle and watch the suds fling around. No idea to stopper the top with the thumb. Apparently the same applies to basic business practices. Kids are trying to run businesses but they don't even know how to polish a pair of shoes, let alone how to read a contract or perform proper business.
On August 04 2013 06:24 Xorphene wrote: Many of the responses in this thread make me lose even more faith in this community and make me realise that leaving SC2 behind was a good decision.
For some reason you are posting in SC2 related thread
On August 04 2013 03:58 sMi.SyMPhOnY wrote: oh i wish we were allsmart as these teamliquid nerds lelele... either way, like i said before, these events didn't transpire all at once and took a couple weeks to demonstrate their non-legitimacy. Realize that sMi was practically dead before this, which allowed for a multitude of management changes and player recruitments that were all unfortunately led by nanocloud and more unfortunately by anderson. Many here on team liquid would advocate for how Esports in NA is in an amatuer condition; This makes easy targets for manipulators like Anderson....Though he got nothing from this except bad press (nanocloud too)....shit happens
---> 2 Scammers revealed in this thread, Perhaps save some face damage in the future for unsuspecting teams..
Wait, so you're saying the whole reason for sMi's return was because of this anderson troll? So what now, will you guys soldier on or die?
There were multiple references to being able to acquire keyboards for $20/ea, was the deal that Anderson would supply the keyboards at a discounted price? Was this all a scam to get like a few hundred bucks out of you guys lol?
Also, did none of you wonder how it was that somebody who works at Razer "helping design programming on keyboards" (...?) was a multi-millionaire? Like really, you might need more than one hand to count the number of people in the USA currently employed as programmers who are multi-millionaires, but you probably wouldn't need many more hands than that.
How did it come to pass that contracts were drawn up and signed without input from the team manager? Aren't there rules about who can enter an organization into a binding agreement?
On August 04 2013 08:21 YumYumGranola wrote: There were multiple references to being able to acquire keyboards for $20/ea, was the deal that Anderson would supply the keyboards at a discounted price? Was this all a scam to get like a few hundred bucks out of you guys lol?
It's been brought up in this thread, but the aim was to scam them out of a cut of their tournament winnings. (Whether there would have been any tournament winnings is only relevant to determining the competence of the scammer)
Also, did none of you wonder how it was that somebody who works at Razer "helping design programming on keyboards" (...?) was a multi-millionaire? Like really, you might need more than one hand to count the number of people in the USA currently employed as programmers who are multi-millionaires, but you probably wouldn't need many more hands than that.
That bit was added by the scammer when DirtyBirD started asking questions about how he was getting these keyboards. Also, DirtyBirD proceeded to email Razer and ask them to confirm this ludicrous story.
How did it come to pass that contracts were drawn up and signed without input from the team manager? Aren't there rules about who can enter an organization into a binding agreement?
The scammer apparently drew up the contracts and mailed them to players, leaving it up to the players to get the false impression that the contracts have been cleared with management.
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
You'd be damn surprised, how basic knowledge passes most people by.
Though unrelated, do you have any clue how many grand final's I've watched where the winner has NO FUCKING CLUE how to shake and spray champagne? Like really! Koreans just shake the bottle and watch the suds fling around. No idea to stopper the top with the thumb. Apparently the same applies to basic business practices. Kids are trying to run businesses but they don't even know how to polish a pair of shoes, let alone how to read a contract or perform proper business.
Hm, so proper champagne spraying technique is "basic knowledge" ... I suppose knowing how to set up a croquet game falls into that category too? What about polishing gold ingots?
It's a good thing this guy was lacking Intelligence, wisdom and any form of planning while trying to scam a poor team with 0 funds.
Honestly this is so amateur it's not even funny, sorry for you guys that actualy believed in a sponsorship, that atleast is a painful thing for a team to have hopes and it is getting crushed by what is a guy trying to be an online bully.
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
You'd be damn surprised, how basic knowledge passes most people by.
Though unrelated, do you have any clue how many grand final's I've watched where the winner has NO FUCKING CLUE how to shake and spray champagne? Like really! Koreans just shake the bottle and watch the suds fling around. No idea to stopper the top with the thumb. Apparently the same applies to basic business practices. Kids are trying to run businesses but they don't even know how to polish a pair of shoes, let alone how to read a contract or perform proper business.
Hm, so proper champagne spraying technique is "basic knowledge" ... I suppose knowing how to set up a croquet game falls into that category too? What about polishing gold ingots?
Do I know how to do those things? yes, yes and yes.
Basic knowledge. The example I used is a VERY basic thing we learn as children, and is VERY SIMPLE physics in action.
Unfortunately, the basic prinicpals and ideas and how it relates to the thread and the discussion/quote was completely lost on you. Move on to another thread.
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
You'd be damn surprised, how basic knowledge passes most people by.
Though unrelated, do you have any clue how many grand final's I've watched where the winner has NO FUCKING CLUE how to shake and spray champagne? Like really! Koreans just shake the bottle and watch the suds fling around. No idea to stopper the top with the thumb. Apparently the same applies to basic business practices. Kids are trying to run businesses but they don't even know how to polish a pair of shoes, let alone how to read a contract or perform proper business.
Hm, so proper champagne spraying technique is "basic knowledge" ... I suppose knowing how to set up a croquet game falls into that category too? What about polishing gold ingots?
Do I know how to do those things? yes, yes and yes.
Basic knowledge. The example I used is a VERY basic thing we learn as children, and is VERY SIMPLE physics in action.
Unfortunately, the basic prinicpals and ideas and how it relates to the thread and the discussion/quote was completely lost on you. Move on to another thread.
I think the point is that not everyone has the time/means to learn how to shake and spray champagne (or set up croquet games or polish gold ingots). Let alone they learned this "as children". You seem quite proud of the fact that you do, but it does make you come across as somewhat of a bigot.
Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
I'm really impressed by the level of drama this thread is reaching. The very sad part being the NA suffering from that kind of behavior. Hopefully it's not so widespread as the numerous accusations and facts seem to support.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier, but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
Yume was definitely not "kicked" from .SCA due to bm, nanocloud is always telling the biggest lie to people and its honestly pretty sad. Yume left mainly because of nanocloud consistent trolling and disagreements, and Yume was team captain back then too. Thanks Dualan for showing this, helps a lot to expose who nanocloud really is as a person. Also reputation? That's hilarious because I'm pretty sure no one knows who he is..
On August 03 2013 12:33 Grimmyman123 wrote: Basic things that people need to learn in the basic business world that pertain to this thread.
I'm not going to sugar coat it. If you disagree or my presentation is too harsh for you, hold your tongue, because to be frank I won't even read your reply let along acknowledge it.
1) Skype is annonymous. Anyone can make an account and pretend to be someone they are not. Reputable business people and businesses and sponsors have LAND LINES. Skype is only convenient because it is free. Razer, Steelseries, major sponsors, major bank rolls, are NOT going to call you solely on skype. "e-sports" relies far too much on skype, and here is another case where it causes headache. Skype cannot be traced or tracked easily.
2) Contracts. Nothing is going to happen unless there is a contract. There might some loose negotiation or hints etc, but you are not going to get anything without a proper contract. The contract will contain proper names, addresses, and it will come to you signed by the sponsor. Promises that stuff is in the mail or courier, but no contract? It probably is bullshit.
3) Check everything out! Reverse search addresses and phone numbers to make sure appearances are what they actually seem! Seriously. Google. It's fucking awesome. In Canada,, for 8 bucks, I can search a surname and a given name, and tell you which bank your mortgage on your house is through, and for how much. There are a ton of resources available, but no one uses them or even knows how. At the VERY LEAST: Google phone numbers. Where do they go, who owns them.
4) If you provide logs or data to a 3rd party - you made that information public. It is now fair game. You cannot redact it after the fact "that was private!". It's like telling fuckslasher some major peice of news and then calling him an hour later asking him to keep it off the record - its already in print and like he cares about it being off the record, he'll find a way to get it in print. If the log or chat was exceedingly damning, and you shared it, damn straight it should be public. The only time someone wants to distance themselves is if something in the evidence is either a lie or is bullshit, or will lead to revealing a lie or other bullshit.
5) If it is to good to be true, it likely is. Imaginary special prototype keyboards? To a C Team? That didnt raise any red flags?
6) Hold people accountable. If someone says they are providing X equipment- hold them too it. If you cannot hold them to it, you haven't confirmed who,where,what they are and how to contact and pursue them. Red flags again.
7) If you have no business savvy or know someone reliable to help on the business side of things, don't try and run a pro gaming team. You are in a position to control people's lives, carreers etc. And you'll probably fuck it up, fuck over your players, and just piss people off and ruin lives.
8) Clans are not Teams. Clans are a bunch of friends playing some video games. Teams are where a group of people have organised structure, coaches, management. Professionally operated and maintained, rules,, statistics tracking and sales etc. Don't confuse the two.
I hope these poiints help.
This sMI fiasco is proof of how amateur and desperate for support SC2 teams are, and how they need proper backing in the form of a busy and extensive competitive tournament scene, instead of 3 MLG's a year and a joke of a WCS championship. But that's a different problem altogether.
I'm glad that some people at least understand these things. +1 to you
And Im glad some people present obvious stuff like its some sort of secret knowledge so they make themselves look good.
You'd be damn surprised, how basic knowledge passes most people by.
Though unrelated, do you have any clue how many grand final's I've watched where the winner has NO FUCKING CLUE how to shake and spray champagne? Like really! Koreans just shake the bottle and watch the suds fling around. No idea to stopper the top with the thumb. Apparently the same applies to basic business practices. Kids are trying to run businesses but they don't even know how to polish a pair of shoes, let alone how to read a contract or perform proper business.
Hm, so proper champagne spraying technique is "basic knowledge" ... I suppose knowing how to set up a croquet game falls into that category too? What about polishing gold ingots?
Do I know how to do those things? yes, yes and yes.
Basic knowledge. The example I used is a VERY basic thing we learn as children, and is VERY SIMPLE physics in action.
Unfortunately, the basic prinicpals and ideas and how it relates to the thread and the discussion/quote was completely lost on you. Move on to another thread.
It's sad to see people doing this to teams that have worked hard to get where they are now. I feel you handled this very well Dirtybird and I'm glad you caught him out before he was able to do any serious damage to yourself and the team.
Best of luck to all of the sMi team and I hope you land a good legit sponsor/investor in future.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad : A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD": It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad : its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad : i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad : yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad : are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad : it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Miladi: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Miladi: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad : ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad : who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad : i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad : is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad : lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad : ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad : what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad: ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
I know pascal and He would never bad mouth a team. This doesn't seem like him. First he would not say any of this he would never bad mouth a team. Second he is a small team why would he trash bigger teams? it would not help him at all. So idk but this does not sound like Pascal.
On August 05 2013 06:05 kilokilo23 wrote: I know pascal and He would never bad mouth a team. This doesn't seem like him. First he would not say any of this he would never bad mouth a team. Second he is a small team why would he trash bigger teams? it would not help him at all. So idk but this does not sound like Pascal.
I second what KiloKilo23 says... I've worked with Pascal before and I have no doubt that Nanocloud was trying to trick him. I know he currently pays for HTOMario a fair salary per month. Also he said that if he gets the sponsor, he can possibly pay you guys. He didn't confirm anything or made set promises for the future.
May I ask how you message Pascal at 10:40:55 PM but then receive the next message 4 minutes earlier at 10:36:06 PM? Also at the bottom your last message was at 10:55:42 PM yet Pascal's reply comes 23 minutes earlier at 10:32:50 PM?
You also have multiple messages from yourself that show the exact same time stamp (such as 10:35:24 PM). It's not possible to send 2 messages on the same time stamp.
So you're either hundreds of years advanced with some sort of magical time machine or you just made up the conversation and forgot to change every time stamp.
On August 01 2013 10:00 TT1 wrote: yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do
The more I think about it, the dumber it seems. The guy basically said, "here's thousands of dollars of stuff, trust me, I'm legit" and was believe. Even if you have someone trustworthy vouching for you, there's a certain point of promising stuff where the recipient has to turn around and say show me the money.
On August 01 2013 10:03 NoMicroWin wrote: Im sorry for the nonsense you've had to deal with. It seems quite awful. But what does desRow have to do with any of this?
I'm also trying to figure out how he got that Skype conversation.
Desrow was never involved with sMi. Anderson tried to recruit him, but I told him not to because I knew this was going to happen. Then, he messaged and told him that.
On August 01 2013 10:02 eLeVaTioN wrote: It's unfortunate that two individuals tried to scam your team however there were still things you could have done to protect your team and your players. As the manager of your team, you should have stepped in from the beginning to stop them from talking to your players or making promises to them until you spoke to them yourself and made a signed agreement on everything. If they weren't willing to sign an actual contract then you shouldn't have tried to work with them. Any company that legitimately works with e-Sports teams would have talked to you first and made a signed agreement with you first.
I know the actual scam wasn't your fault and I don't mean to say this as if I'm blaming you, but I just hope people learn from these things and will take more proper actions when so called "sponsors" try to come in and just make deals by them saying they will fulfill what they claim to offer.
As I stated, I was on a hiatus from really managing sMi at the beginning of all of this. Once I found out about things, I told my players NOT to do anything before I talked to these individuals, but that didn't stop everyone from getting contracts and signing things.
Then those players were not under contract with your team so why were you talking to them? They signed a new contract with someone other than yourself. That is how you respond. Or we had a contract. Your new contract was not approved by your team. Why would you do this? I said not to talk to them. This new person doesn't run the team. You ban that person from skype until you handle the arrangement. Why would you want an arrangement with a sponsor that doesn't work under agreed upon terms?
Stop making excuses for yourself and displacing the blame. Sure you have players, sure your a small team. But if people aren't in it for the duration of the haul with you, they need to be gone. You told them not to talk to them not to do anything and they signed contracts?
Why the hell are they still on your team? they fed into the entire mess? You didn't do anything to enforce team rules and kicked nobody to the curb. Hey, go play sc2 go do this train this way. But w/e you do stop talking to these people until I present you something and don't send anything out.
Sure the players, made mistakes, and you were well aware of what was going on, but unless you told the players (which you didn't because you were documenting the scam) Your making mistakes as a leader. Those cannot be ignored. You let a very tense situation persist and fester.
If someone wants to deal with you organization they do so thru you They fax documents They sign an agreement with yourself The agreement if never made face to face is done with photo id's (DL) Things originate from the head of the organization.
Sponsorships mean you return something of value to another organization. You represent them, you get there name out, its not always monetary immediate return for you. But they simply don't do the following -give money out -give free gear -refuse to explain how this is a mutual benefiting relationship. -Your players should become advocates for said sponsor and know how they are able to contribute to representing them positively. (see an idra EG video or something where every sponsor is named everytime).
Honestly, as a sponsored paintball player fighting to get sponsorship every year you learn a lot. The concept that companies just handout money is false. They want some type of return. The fact that your players, and you don't seem to understand this is very alarming and as a potential sponsor would make me want to go somewhere else because your team apparently expects free stuff and free handouts.
No thanks, I'll go some where else is what every company that see's this will be thinking. Very poor leadership and very poor accountability, and very poor internal structure.
May I ask how you message Pascal at 10:40:55 PM but then receive the next message 4 minutes earlier at 10:36:06 PM? Also at the bottom your last message was at 10:55:42 PM yet Pascal's reply comes 23 minutes earlier at 10:32:50 PM?
You also have multiple messages from yourself that show the exact same time stamp (such as 10:35:24 PM). It's not possible to send 2 messages on the same time stamp.
So you're either hundreds of years advanced with some sort of magical time machine or you just made up the conversation and forgot to change every time stamp.
Everyone involved in this shit show is fucking retarded.. if you're going to lie, at least do it right!
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD" Alucozai: It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad Alucozai: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad Alucozai: are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad Alucozai: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad Alucozai: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad Alucozai: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad Alucozai: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad Alucozai: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad Alucozai: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad Alucozai: who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad Alucozai: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad Alucozai: i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad Alucozai: is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad Alucozai: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
This nanocloud guy is diggin his own grave further and further.. He knows hes been exposed, hence the "ill b back under a new name"... Quite sad actually.. Yeah sure he doesnt wanna be the best player or play in any tournaments cuz he knows he'll get demolished.. He just wants to use his talented friends to become a "COACH" on a well established team.
Im high masters n i wouldnt mind coachin any quantic players(<- How ironic does that sound ) especially for a tiny salary n free plane tickets!
Nanocloud if you hasn't notice what I had been doing so far you aren't really smart, I was in it to gain your trust so i can report to Tim my findings and he then can make inform decision about this whole mess, do you think you are the only person capable to manipulating others and doing things behind other people's back like what the SCA people in this thread mentioned? it's a battle of the wits and I gained your trust and exposed you. I won, your reputation is gone. Remember when you think I was on your side, and I told you I was not on your side?
[7/26/2013 9:32:40 AM] Milad: then we can hop on skype and chat [7/26/2013 9:32:43 AM] Milad: with the rest of playes [7/26/2013 9:32:46 AM] Milad: glad you are on our side [7/26/2013 9:32:51 AM] Milad: and also think its suspcious [7/26/2013 9:33:09 AM] Hui Shen: i'm on the side of reason and logic
onetrickpony realize what was going down in the end, and you still have no clue as to why I went along with you and Anderson from the beginning? Here let me quote onetrickpony
[7/31/2013 8:45:28 PM] ryan lee: mr shen [7/31/2013 8:45:29 PM] ryan lee: IS SPY
oh and can you own yourself any harder by making up chat logs and forgot to change the time stamp?
i have read every single posts ! at this point some1 should take all the info and write a book, it has comedy , drama , action , suspense , turn out of events , ppl pretending to be ppl , ppl playing victim roles , a SPY LOL
Best of luck in the future. Definitely a little more care and prudence next time dealing with something like this. For all members.
And let's be honest, the only good players who ever were "truly" sMi were myself, wannabcool, and nony. Of course there are other legends like Brett and DB (despite the most mysterious disappearance in e-sports history). And Brian. Not Spades. What was his game tag again? That dude was awesome.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad : A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD": It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD": we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" : well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad : its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad : i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad : yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad : are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad : it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Miladi: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Miladi: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad : ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad : who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad : i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad : is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad : lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad : ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad : what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad: ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
What? what a load of shit. I have NEVER heard pascal talk about any clan or team badly. In fact we talk about pro teams all the time and how we can be like them and improve ourselves as a team. This is a load of shit and I do not believe it for a second. He doesn't even type like this...
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD" Alucozai: It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad Alucozai: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad Alucozai: are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad Alucozai: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad Alucozai: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad Alucozai: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad Alucozai: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad Alucozai: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad Alucozai: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad Alucozai: who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad Alucozai: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad Alucozai: i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad Alucozai: is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad Alucozai: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
What? what a load of shit. I have NEVER heard pascal talk about any clan or team badly. In fact we talk about pro teams all the time and how we can be like them and improve ourselves as a team. This is a load of shit and I do not believe it for a second. He doesn't even type like this...
To respond to comments made by JM, Mario, OG manager, and others. I've uploaded screenshots of the skype conversation. These are excerts. The total conversation would've been like 30 more images. If you guys really think that I photoshopped 15 images, then I dont know what to say.
The fact is LYGF called Clarity Gaming a scam. I dont know the reason behind why, perhaps they really didnt want smi players to go to clarity or they really do believe they are a scam. I've spoken to Clarity, and everything that LYGF and JM have said are total lies regarding Clarity as an organization. Please dont believe the comments they made. If you have any specific questions regarding clarity as an organization and their credibility, please contact someone on Clarity.
I think the bigger scam is making a claim that you can pay 200-300 euros. Keep it real. Also Mario, I guess this is a rude awakening for you since its the first time you've seen "pascal talk this way or type like this." I know there are many others in this chat that only defended the person because they are friends but I ask you guys to look past friendship and look at the facts.
Lets just all manner up, respect each other, stop gossiping about other teams, and hopefully e-sports can become more healthy. adios.
p.s. sorry if images are out of order... no idea how to control that.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD" Alucozai: It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad Alucozai: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad Alucozai: are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad Alucozai: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad Alucozai: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad Alucozai: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad Alucozai: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad Alucozai: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad Alucozai: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad Alucozai: who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad Alucozai: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad Alucozai: i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad Alucozai: is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad Alucozai: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
What? what a load of shit. I have NEVER heard pascal talk about any clan or team badly. In fact we talk about pro teams all the time and how we can be like them and improve ourselves as a team. This is a load of shit and I do not believe it for a second. He doesn't even type like this...
To respond to comments made by JM, Mario, OG manager, and others. I've uploaded screenshots of the skype conversation. These are excerts. The total conversation would've been like 30 more images. If you guys really think that I photoshopped 15 images, then I dont know what to say.
The fact is LYGF called Clarity Gaming a scam. I dont know the reason behind why, perhaps they really didnt want smi players to go to clarity or they really do believe they are a scam. I've spoken to Clarity, and everything that LYGF and JM have said are total lies regarding Clarity as an organization. Please dont believe the comments they made. If you have any specific questions regarding clarity as an organization and their credibility, please contact someone on Clarity.
I think the bigger scam is making a claim that you can pay 200-300 euros. Keep it real. Also Mario, I guess this is a rude awakening for you since its the first time you've seen "pascal talk this way or type like this." I know there are many others in this chat that only defended the person because they are friends but I ask you guys to look past friendship and look at the facts.
Lets just all manner up, respect each other, stop gossiping about other teams, and hopefully e-sports can become more healthy. adios.
p.s. sorry if images are out of order... no idea how to control that.
Dude, Nanocloud get the fuck off TL, you are such a joke right now. Instead of defend the allegations you go right back to what I expected of you. Mud slinging to deflect all the blame on you. Please go try and destroy another community, this one has ousted you. The way you move and act has been noted by too many people at this point, time to reroll buddy. You make up everything that I hate about online communities. Like a fish out of water, and don't keep saying "last post" then post again and again with more bullshit than before.
GG NO RE gtfo
P.S. When you forge skype conversations make sure you pay attention to the time stamps.
There are still parts of the conversation (the two parts that would have proved what you claim JM and Pascal said was true) that aren't there. You also edited a number of your responses out of the conversation you posted so even though a lot of it checks out, why were you editing those out? That's what still seems a bit fishy here, aside from the fact that you didn't screenshot the conversation you had about YuMe and the last part of the conversation where Pascal said he made those claims because he wants players for himself.
Until you include those (if what you're saying is even true), the only thing that shows is Pascal may not understand how Clarity runs it's team (I obviously don't know their situation so I don't know if the part about donations is true or not) and his comment about Clarity being a scam may have been uncalled for but also since English isn't his native language, he may not have known the proper term to use ASSUMING he meant to just say it was a bad business model based on what he claims to have seen and heard.
Also the part where you asked if oG was the team that made those claims made me laugh a little.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad Alucozai:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad "sMi.NanoClouD" Alucozai: It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad "NanoClouD" Alucozai: well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad Alucozai: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad Alucozai: are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad Alucozai: "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad Alucozai: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad Alucozai: [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad Alucozai: i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad Alucozai: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad Alucozai: "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad Alucozai: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad Alucozai: who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad Alucozai: JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad Alucozai: i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad Alucozai: is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad Alucozai: lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad Alucozai: ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad Alucozai: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad Alucozai: why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad Alucozai: ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad Alucozai: yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
What? what a load of shit. I have NEVER heard pascal talk about any clan or team badly. In fact we talk about pro teams all the time and how we can be like them and improve ourselves as a team. This is a load of shit and I do not believe it for a second. He doesn't even type like this...
To respond to comments made by JM, Mario, OG manager, and others. I've uploaded screenshots of the skype conversation. These are excerts. The total conversation would've been like 30 more images. If you guys really think that I photoshopped 15 images, then I dont know what to say.
The fact is LYGF called Clarity Gaming a scam. I dont know the reason behind why, perhaps they really didnt want smi players to go to clarity or they really do believe they are a scam. I've spoken to Clarity, and everything that LYGF and JM have said are total lies regarding Clarity as an organization. Please dont believe the comments they made. If you have any specific questions regarding clarity as an organization and their credibility, please contact someone on Clarity.
I think the bigger scam is making a claim that you can pay 200-300 euros. Keep it real. Also Mario, I guess this is a rude awakening for you since its the first time you've seen "pascal talk this way or type like this." I know there are many others in this chat that only defended the person because they are friends but I ask you guys to look past friendship and look at the facts.
Lets just all manner up, respect each other, stop gossiping about other teams, and hopefully e-sports can become more healthy. adios.
p.s. sorry if images are out of order... no idea how to control that.
You like posting silly things and having that god awful thread on the left side where I was accused of boosting? How about I show our little conversation?
read the bottom of the first screen shot. It says: ignore yume, he wanted me to say that I boosted you to steal your viewers. Hell i even got rank 47 gm on stream today, why would I need to cheat?
And btw, pascal can pay those prices because he pays me 300 EURO every month in advance from the first day I joined the team. I don't like to bring up salary but he's no scammer. I also love clarity gaming, I try to play with their players all the time for practice.
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad : It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad : and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad: well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad : yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad : are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad : "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad i: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad : [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad : i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad : "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad : ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad : who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad : JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad : sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad : i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad : is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad : lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad : he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad i: ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad : what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad : why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad : what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad : ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad : yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide
This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
What? what a load of shit. I have NEVER heard pascal talk about any clan or team badly. In fact we talk about pro teams all the time and how we can be like them and improve ourselves as a team. This is a load of shit and I do not believe it for a second. He doesn't even type like this...
To respond to comments made by JM, Mario, OG manager, and others. I've uploaded screenshots of the skype conversation. These are excerts. The total conversation would've been like 30 more images. If you guys really think that I photoshopped 15 images, then I dont know what to say.
The fact is LYGF called Clarity Gaming a scam. I dont know the reason behind why, perhaps they really didnt want smi players to go to clarity or they really do believe they are a scam. I've spoken to Clarity, and everything that LYGF and JM have said are total lies regarding Clarity as an organization. Please dont believe the comments they made. If you have any specific questions regarding clarity as an organization and their credibility, please contact someone on Clarity.
I think the bigger scam is making a claim that you can pay 200-300 euros. Keep it real. Also Mario, I guess this is a rude awakening for you since its the first time you've seen "pascal talk this way or type like this." I know there are many others in this chat that only defended the person because they are friends but I ask you guys to look past friendship and look at the facts.
Lets just all manner up, respect each other, stop gossiping about other teams, and hopefully e-sports can become more healthy. adios.
p.s. sorry if images are out of order... no idea how to control that.
You like posting silly things and having that god awful thread on the left side where I was accused of boosting? How about I show our little conversation?
read the bottom of the first screen shot. It says: ignore yume, he wanted me to say that I boosted you to steal your viewers.
And btw, pascal can pay those prices because he pays me 300 EURO every month in advance from the first day I joined the team. I don't like to bring up salary but he's no scammer.
Well it looks like its time for me to intervene. First off i like to say some things before some people get confused about something. Yes i did accuse mario of getting boosted, but it was wrong of me to not confront him first about it and i do apologize for that. And 2nd, Nanocloud told me he boosted mario (And he told me this BEFORE i made my post about accusing mario, which was one of the pushing factors why i even began posting it). w/e shit nano said to mario about me is usually twisted from the truth. There are couple habits that nanocloud does and that is to twist the truth from what it truly is, screenshot private conversations with others when it should be kept between people, and always try to make sure he ends up making himself look like the good guy.
As for the screenshot mario posted, nanocloud said "yume thinks i boosted alot of people". No i didnt even think about that. If anything, its the other way around (where nanocloud is the one getting boosted etc.). It also says Nano wanted me to say to him that he boosted you which is completely wrong. I told him to confess the truth if he really did have a part in this because he always lies and trolls because he was just messing around people's heads and i was hoping out of one time he said the truth.
Some other past claims nanocloud made which is a complete lie such as "YuMe being kicked off SCA". Everyone on SCA knows i left on my own because i left because of nanocloud. The reasons for leaving is pretty obvious. People on SCA even wanted me back but i declined.
And Mario, i didnt say hellbats were impossible to stop, i said they were imbalanced. Imbalanced doesnt nesscarily mean its impossible, but it def takes more effort to defend than to attack and everyone knows that (According to the end of your screen shot). And i also know you hate me and i do completely understand the reasoning and probally will ignore me. But if there was ever a time if we had to put our differences aside so i can speak this one truth where you would listen, this would be this... "Nanocloud isnt trustworthy and will twist the truth. He gets butthurt super easily and will go against everyone and make sure he ends up looking like the good guy at the end"
On August 04 2013 18:04 QuanticDualan wrote: Ok, I posted something about Nanocloud trying to get into Quantic Academy with 4 other guys earlier but he messaged me to please take it down because he didn't want his reputation destroyed. Now, I have decided that I don't want to keep quiet anymore as I have found out that he has been lying to other people. Here's the deal, Nanocloud went up to me asking if he and 4 other guys can get into Quantic Academy with him as coach/manager. I declined him because our roster was full and taking in 5 players would be ridiculous, there was also some negative feedback about him. I have also heard previously that he was telling other people that he could get his 5 into our Quantic Academy easily without even talking to me and today after talking to another manager, that rumor about him saying that Quantic wanting them was indeed true.
[29.07.13 00:15:20] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [29.07.13 00:15:30] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [29.07.13 00:15:36] Milad: he was from sca [29.07.13 00:15:38] Milad: then we kicked him for bm [29.07.13 00:15:42] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [29.07.13 00:16:05] Milad: but quantic management and few other teams want us [29.07.13 00:16:14] Milad: and we were told from a friend of mine that you might also have financial [29.07.13 00:16:15] Milad: backing [29.07.13 00:16:18] Milad: to support us
Anton Pascal is the manager of another up and coming team who I gave Nanocloud's contact to in order for me to be able to help him a bit. The conversation I have posted here is the first time Nanocloud and Anton talk, during the conversation Nanocloud claims that Quantic management wants them as part of their team right after I declined them entry to our team. I never wanted all of this to go out in the open, but I feel that the lying should stop. I feel really bad for the other four players along with him as they are really really talented players and they deserve to be able to find a good home. To the four players with Nanocloud I wish you good luck in a finding a team, and to Nanocloud please do not use other team's name in order to gain favor for yourself. GLHF
[8:03:25 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:23 PM] Milad: hahahaha dont be looking soon will take some time atleast few months before i get back hopefully then the drama will all die down
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad: <<< anyways i wanted to let you guys know that i'm going to be quitting sc2 i might come back once my wrists get healed up but i just cant handle the bm/trolls
[8:03:33 AM] Carlos Grijalva: [Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:24 PM] Milad:
<<< probably going to have to namechange again so many name changes lol
This is what nanocloud msg one of my players yesterday, He said he will be back, under a new name.
Here was the real message.
[7/28/2013 6:15:15 PM] Pascal Anton: may i ask you [7/28/2013 6:15:25 PM] Pascal Anton: who is yume? [7/28/2013 6:15:30 PM] Milad: he was from sca [7/28/2013 6:15:38 PM] Milad: then he left to search for another team [7/28/2013 6:15:40 PM] Milad: he kept trying to abuse his captain power and people didn’t like it. [7/28/2013 6:15:46 PM] Milad: now he is on quantic academy [7/28/2013 6:15:50 PM] Milad: I think he is on academy team. He streams still. [7/28/2013 6:15:59 PM] Milad: we spoke to a few quantic players, it would be cool to join them. [7/28/2013 6:16:05 PM] Milad: but quantic management is only interested in a few of our players. [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: A manager from quantic told me your team had financial backing? [7/28/2013 6:16:30 PM] Milad: to support us all?
That is the actual conversation. Also I reference interested in a few players from the following message from JM.
[7/26/2013 11:25:11 PM] Milad : It would've been nice to be part of the quantic family but if thats not possible t hen we will try other teams. Thanks for time. [7/26/2013 11:25:19 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: thanks as well [7/26/2013 11:28:49 PM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: to be very honest though, I am highly interested in jonsnow as he impressed me in ATC qualifiers against EG
Anyway, here is more of the convo.
[7/28/2013 6:27:40 PM] Pascal Anton: LYGF is member of the gaming network [7/28/2013 6:27:54 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: i tell you how the situation i [7/28/2013 6:28:05 PM] Pascal Anton: s [7/28/2013 6:28:08 PM] Pascal Anton: around LYGF [7/28/2013 6:30:09 PM] Milad: sure give me some details [7/28/2013 6:30:12 PM] Milad: we arent familiar with Lygf [7/28/2013 6:30:34 PM] Pascal Anton: www.loveyourgirlfriend.net [7/28/2013 6:30:42 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry, i just have so many convos open xD [7/28/2013 6:30:49 PM] Pascal Anton: so what we do [7/28/2013 6:30:55 PM] Pascal Anton: usually is paying pro gamers [7/28/2013 6:30:59 PM] Pascal Anton: a montly salary [7/28/2013 6:31:09 PM] Pascal Anton: that might be higher than from other clans [7/28/2013 6:31:36 PM] Pascal Anton: on the other hand, we don't have much money left for big tournaments for every player [7/28/2013 6:31:38 PM] Pascal Anton: you understand? [7/28/2013 6:31:43 PM] Pascal Anton: but [7/28/2013 6:31:47 PM] Pascal Anton: when a player comes to me [7/28/2013 6:31:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and tells me his priorities [7/28/2013 6:32:03 PM] Pascal Anton: then for sure we can talk [7/28/2013 6:32:05 PM] Milad: sure [7/28/2013 6:32:11 PM] Milad: and we dont expect that from day one or anything [7/28/2013 6:33:20 PM] Milad: who are your sponsors? [7/28/2013 6:33:26 PM] Milad: how much do you think you could afford to pay players? [7/28/2013 6:34:03 PM] Pascal Anton: we are currently talking to a new sponsor [7/28/2013 6:34:10 PM] Milad: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:34:11 PM] Pascal Anton: a big european company [7/28/2013 6:34:17 PM] Milad: thats exciting [7/28/2013 6:34:21 PM] Pascal Anton: and they said they need one more week [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Pascal Anton: to decide how much they wanna give us [7/28/2013 6:34:28 PM] Milad: awesome [7/28/2013 6:34:32 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/28/2013 6:34:36 PM] Pascal Anton: in case that happens [7/28/2013 6:34:39 PM] Pascal Anton: we can pay [7/28/2013 6:34:45 PM] Milad: ok well let me know in weeks time [7/28/2013 6:34:49 PM] Milad: i dont think we will amke a decision [7/28/2013 6:34:52 PM] Pascal Anton: we have some small sponsors right now [7/28/2013 6:34:53 PM] Milad: until atleast another week [7/28/2013 6:34:59 PM] Milad: do you guys give gear to players? [7/28/2013 6:35:02 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:35:08 PM] Milad: ah thats also nice [7/28/2013 6:35:10 PM] Pascal Anton: 100 percent paid to pro players [7/28/2013 6:35:19 PM] Milad: hmm? [7/28/2013 6:35:24 PM] Pascal Anton: i meant [7/28/2013 6:35:29 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay 100 percent [7/28/2013 6:35:32 PM] Pascal Anton: of the gear [7/28/2013 6:35:33 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:35:37 PM] Milad: ooo [7/28/2013 6:35:38 PM] Milad: gotcha [7/28/2013 6:35:47 PM] Pascal Anton: but of course according to contract [7/28/2013 6:35:53 PM] Pascal Anton: players cant come every week [7/28/2013 6:35:58 PM] Pascal Anton: and ask for new stuff [7/28/2013 6:36:01 PM] Pascal Anton: thats just too much ofc [7/28/2013 6:36:09 PM] Pascal Anton: since you don't need new stuff each week [7/28/2013 6:36:16 PM] Milad: absolutely [7/28/2013 6:36:18 PM] Milad: i agree [7/28/2013 6:36:21 PM] Milad: you have contracts right? [7/28/2013 6:37:35 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:37:46 PM] Pascal Anton: according to international laws [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: so our contracts are real contracts [7/28/2013 6:37:57 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:05 PM] Milad: thats great [7/28/2013 6:38:12 PM] Milad: we like nice contracts that are clear and detailed [7/28/2013 6:38:16 PM] Pascal Anton: yes [7/28/2013 6:38:17 PM] Pascal Anton: without [7/28/2013 6:38:20 PM] Pascal Anton: im not gonna do it [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Milad: what range do you think you could pay us if the big sponsor doesnt happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:21 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/28/2013 6:38:28 PM] Milad : and what range do you think you could pay us if b ig sponsor does happen? [7/28/2013 6:38:38 PM] Pascal Anton: without sponsor? [7/28/2013 6:38:42 PM] Pascal Anton: hmmmm [7/28/2013 6:38:46 PM] Pascal Anton: 3 players? [7/28/2013 6:38:57 PM] Pascal Anton: i cant pay 3 players without sponsor [7/28/2013 6:39:03 PM] Milad: ah ok [7/28/2013 6:39:08 PM] Pascal Anton: with sponsor i think around 200-300 [7/28/2013 6:39:12 PM] Pascal Anton: a month [7/28/2013 6:39:15 PM] Milad: usd? [7/28/2013 6:39:19 PM] Pascal Anton: euros [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Milad: oh nice [7/28/2013 6:39:27 PM] Pascal Anton: we pay in euros [7/28/2013 6:39:52 PM] Milad: well please keep in contact and let me know
Then the other half of our conversation was about clarity gaming and apparently how this manager thinks they are a scam.
[7/30/2013 7:11:07 PM] Pascal Anton: i scrolled up [7/30/2013 7:11:16 PM] Pascal Anton: until june 10th [7/30/2013 7:11:17 PM] Pascal Anton: no luck [7/30/2013 7:11:20 PM] Pascal Anton: maybe they deleted it [7/30/2013 10:30:51 PM] Pascal Anton: they don't pay salaries [7/30/2013 10:31:01 PM] Pascal Anton: and they love smacktalking about all clans [7/30/2013 10:31:21 PM] Pascal Anton: this is from a manager of a well known clan [7/30/2013 10:31:23 PM] Pascal Anton: he just told me [7/30/2013 10:31:59 PM] Pascal Anton: no [7/30/2013 10:32:00 PM] Pascal Anton: way bigger clan [7/30/2013 10:32:09 PM] Pascal Anton: sorry , im not gonna tell you the name ; [7/30/2013 10:32:10 PM] Pascal Anton: [7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you understand [7/30/2013 10:32:16 PM] Milad: oh [7/30/2013 10:32:17 PM] Milad: its ok [7/30/2013 10:32:23 PM] Milad: i just want credibility in statements haha [7/30/2013 10:32:25 PM] Pascal Anton: but cg is more or less scam [7/30/2013 10:32:34 PM] Pascal Anton: well [7/30/2013 10:32:37 PM] Pascal Anton: what can i say [7/30/2013 10:32:45 PM] Pascal Anton: all im trying to do is to warn you [7/30/2013 10:32:52 PM] Milad : yah but my friends [7/30/2013 10:32:54 PM] Milad : are asking [7/30/2013 10:33:02 PM] Milad : "nano is it a big team saying this? which team?" [7/30/2013 10:33:07 PM] Milad i: it just makes it stronger that w ay [7/30/2013 10:33:08 PM] Milad : [7/30/2013 10:34:08 PM] Pascal Anton: what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM] Milad : i promise it will just be between you and me [7/30/2013 10:34:15 PM] Milad: i just want to tell players [7/30/2013 10:34:19 PM] Milad : "trust me i have good source" [7/30/2013 10:34:22 PM] Pascal Anton: you really promise, ok? [7/30/2013 10:34:24 PM] Milad : ok [7/30/2013 10:34:25 PM] Pascal Anton: so no bullshit [7/30/2013 10:34:27 PM] Milad: no [7/30/2013 10:34:29 PM] Pascal Anton: quantic [7/30/2013 10:34:35 PM] Milad : who in quantic? [7/30/2013 10:34:36 PM] Milad : JM? [7/30/2013 10:34:50 PM] Pascal Anton: .......... [7/30/2013 10:34:54 PM] Pascal Anton: dude [7/30/2013 10:35:00 PM] Pascal Anton: you're killing me here... [7/30/2013 10:35:11 PM] Milad : sorry but only person [7/30/2013 10:35:13 PM] Milad : i trust in quantic [7/30/2013 10:35:14 PM] Milad : is JM. [7/30/2013 10:35:16 PM] Milad : lol [7/30/2013 10:35:22 PM] Pascal Anton: hold on [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad : he is good guy [7/30/2013 10:35:24 PM] Milad i: ok
[7/30/2013 10:39:23 PM] Pascal Anton: me too [7/30/2013 10:39:44 PM] Pascal Anton: so [7/30/2013 10:39:48 PM] Pascal Anton: you watched dragon lately? [7/30/2013 10:39:56 PM] Pascal Anton: it says more than words can say [7/30/2013 10:40:11 PM] Milad : what you mean? [7/30/2013 10:40:19 PM] Pascal Anton: he is super sad [7/30/2013 10:40:23 PM] Pascal Anton: playing bad on purpose [7/30/2013 10:40:26 PM] Milad : why he sad? [7/30/2013 10:40:31 PM] Pascal Anton: on his main cg account [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad : what happend [7/30/2013 10:40:55 PM] Milad : ?
[7/30/2013 10:36:06 PM] Pascal Anton: [31.07.13 04:27:23] Pascal Anton: you said he probably is scam [31.07.13 04:27:28] Pascal Anton: this is how clarity called us [31.07.13 04:27:29] Pascal Anton: xD [31.07.13 04:27:34] Pascal Anton: haha [31.07.13 04:27:59] Pascal Anton: do they actually pay salaries? i heard no, only when they have donations [31.07.13 04:29:10] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: yeah [31.07.13 04:29:12] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they don't [31.07.13 04:29:23] Pascal Anton: so who is scam xD [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: lol [31.07.13 04:29:29] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I don't like them [31.07.13 04:29:36] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: they talked so much smack about us [7/30/2013 10:53:48 PM] Pascal Anton: but seriously now [7/30/2013 10:54:04 PM] Pascal Anton: i didn't tell you this about clarity, because im interested in new players and want them for myself [7/30/2013 10:54:18 PM] Pascal Anton: i get offers every day [7/30/2013 10:54:21 PM] Pascal Anton: really...every day [7/30/2013 10:54:33 PM] Pascal Anton: i don't need to talk bad about other clans [7/30/2013 10:54:41 PM] Pascal Anton: im just being honest and tell you my opinion and experiences [7/30/2013 10:54:44 PM] Pascal Anton: i hope you know that [7/30/2013 10:55:42 PM] Milad : yah i do [7/30/2013 10:32:50 PM] Pascal Anton: its up to you what you decide This team offered us 200-300 Euros, told us Clarity was a scam, and told me the source he had was Quantic JM. This 200-300 Euro thing sounds just as big of a scam as smi's promises.
Also Rei, I know that people reading through all your comments will quickly realize that you were part of smi from the get go. You were here from day 1 when Anderson Barrett approached your team. You dont have an excuse such as "I wasn't here to supervise anything." Tim Dirtybird was legitimately away at the beginning. You've always been here and were a manager of the team! Dont think I dont know that you and Anderson Barrett were on the same wavelength. I'm not inclined to believe a 35+yrold man would have no clue that Anderson was trying to scam us players. You should've had enough power as assistant manager to Dirtybird to say something. I know that in many of your comments trying to make me look bad, you are trying to save face for smi and yourself. I feel bad for smi getting scammed by anderson just as much as the next guy, but dont try shifting attention to a pointless arguement. It doesnt work I find you just as much to blame as Anderson because you were a manager that was around during the whole situation. You have no excuse.
The game I played with you shows that you had GM rating and I had platinum. It was a practice game where I was trying a new build. If you watch the replay, my apm is 0 for quite some time. Why do you think that is? Oh, because I was alt tabbed and writing notes down. I have many more replays where I have 0 apm for durations of the game.
I play for my CSL team, I complete at local lans, and I've done pretty well for an amateur player. I'm no where near top tier. Why would I try to pretend I'm better than my skill level. You think by faking it, I would be able to get on a good team? What after that? I would imagine that team would expect me to show my skill via demonstration even if it was a coaching or academy position. The higher up you go in sc2, the more expectations to play in live tournaments, qualifiers, and other events. If anything, the best option if I was faking my skill level would be NOT TO TRY to get on any team. If I wanted to make money off online gaming. I would def switch over to LoL haha.
I would gain 0 from paying koreans to play on my account. It is quite hard to make a living playing sc2 unless you are literally the top players in the world. I also would gain nothing in the real world by going around my college and telling people, Hi I'm grandmaster on the NA server. <---- WHAT WOULD THAT GET ME? lol. Aside from strange stares.
The only thing I do that is frowned upon is on occasion I boost friends accounts. I usually dont charge anything. We only did that to this Anderson kid because we wanted to see if he was scamming us. Thats why we split the job 4 ways. It was just to see if he would end up paying us.
I do know that there are many players who make a source of income from boosting. I dont do that. I boost only close friends.
SCA, you guys have a bad reputation already. You are making your own team look bad with the lies you spread. You guys stream snipe, stream cheat, and on various occasions you have ddosed players. I dont know what your goals are as a clan, but I wish you best of luck with your clan.
Regardless of the lies spread above, I've decided to take a few months off from NA and switch back to EU full-time. I'm going to work hard on EU and hopefully after all this drama dies down I will come back to NA. I wish everyone good luck. I hope this smi scam was a lesson for everyone and I hope people like Anderson Barrett dont continue to plague e-sports with fake promises of gear/money.
Good luck to all my friends from NA! I also wish Sonic, Jonsnow, and Virium the best of luck on a new team(whatever that team is). These guys are great players and well mannered. They kept me sane during the smi scam, and fun practicing 1v1's and playing arcade games with them. GL HF #usafighting
ty for all those who support me and reached out to me. For a noname player, it was quite nice to see the comments on skype and sc2 that told me to ignore the haters/trolls. This is my last post on this thread.
What? what a load of shit. I have NEVER heard pascal talk about any clan or team badly. In fact we talk about pro teams all the time and how we can be like them and improve ourselves as a team. This is a load of shit and I do not believe it for a second. He doesn't even type like this...
To respond to comments made by JM, Mario, OG manager, and others. I've uploaded screenshots of the skype conversation. These are excerts. The total conversation would've been like 30 more images. If you guys really think that I photoshopped 15 images, then I dont know what to say.
The fact is LYGF called Clarity Gaming a scam. I dont know the reason behind why, perhaps they really didnt want smi players to go to clarity or they really do believe they are a scam. I've spoken to Clarity, and everything that LYGF and JM have said are total lies regarding Clarity as an organization. Please dont believe the comments they made. If you have any specific questions regarding clarity as an organization and their credibility, please contact someone on Clarity.
I think the bigger scam is making a claim that you can pay 200-300 euros. Keep it real. Also Mario, I guess this is a rude awakening for you since its the first time you've seen "pascal talk this way or type like this." I know there are many others in this chat that only defended the person because they are friends but I ask you guys to look past friendship and look at the facts.
Lets just all manner up, respect each other, stop gossiping about other teams, and hopefully e-sports can become more healthy. adios.
p.s. sorry if images are out of order... no idea how to control that.
You like posting silly things and having that god awful thread on the left side where I was accused of boosting? How about I show our little conversation?
read the bottom of the first screen shot. It says: ignore yume, he wanted me to say that I boosted you to steal your viewers.
And btw, pascal can pay those prices because he pays me 300 EURO every month in advance from the first day I joined the team. I don't like to bring up salary but he's no scammer.
Well it looks like its time for me to intervene. First off i like to say some things before some people get confused about something. Yes i did accuse mario of getting boosted, but it was wrong of me to not confront him first about it and i do apologize for that. And 2nd, Nanocloud told me he boosted mario (And he told me this BEFORE i made my post about accusing mario, which was one of the pushing factors why i even began posting it). w/e shit nano said to mario about me is usually twisted from the truth. There are couple habits that nanocloud does and that is to twist the truth from what it truly is, screenshot private conversations with others when it should be kept between people, and always try to make sure he ends up making himself look like the good guy.
As for the screenshot mario posted, nanocloud said "yume thinks i boosted alot of people". No i didnt even think about that. If anything, its the other way around (where nanocloud is the one getting boosted etc.). It also says Nano wanted me to say to him that he boosted you which is completely wrong. I told him to confess the truth if he really did have a part in this because he always lies and trolls because he was just messing around people's heads and i was hoping out of one time he said the truth.
Some other past claims nanocloud made which is a complete lie such as "YuMe being kicked off SCA". Everyone on SCA knows i left on my own because i left because of nanocloud. The reasons for leaving is pretty obvious. People on SCA even wanted me back but i declined.
And Mario, i didnt say hellbats were impossible to stop, i said they were imbalanced. Imbalanced doesnt nesscarily mean its impossible, but it def takes more effort to defend than to attack and everyone knows that (According to the end of your screen shot). And i also know you hate me and i do completely understand the reasoning and probally will ignore me. But if there was ever a time if we had to put our differences aside so i can speak this one truth where you would listen, this would be this... "Nanocloud isnt trustworthy and will twist the truth. He gets butthurt super easily and will go against everyone and make sure he ends up looking like the good guy at the end"
Threads like that can be very damaging to a hard working persons career, anyway I think we can move past this. I'm going to stop posting in this thread though because it's spiraling out of control. Good night all!
Well, it was fun and all. Time to close this thread. But for you folks out, here's the recap:
sMi gets scammed by an idiotic con artist Con-artist tries to save face BUT WAIT, there's more! NanoCloud was revealed to be a compulsive liar who is partly responsible for sMi's demise. The SCA and other NA team drama unfolds! PLOT TWIST: Rei was a SPY? Good honest players make amends, and Andeson and NaNoCloud have been revealed as the scum they are.
Fun story, guys! I just hope that this is the last time we will ever see this again!
Well this is just the thread that keeps on giving. The concentration of the drama is so pure it may secure the energy future for esports, we'll never run out with this much drama to feed on. Soon we will be powerful enough to absorb the other sports and rule the WOR- *cough*cough* um make sc2 break into the mainstream.
Well this is just the thread that keeps on giving. The concentration of the drama is so pure it may secure the energy future for esports, we'll never run out with this much drama to feed on. Soon we will be powerful enough to absorb the other sports and rule the WOR- *cough*cough* um make sc2 break into the mainstream.
Good thing this thread is about players no one has heard about before this thread, and that none of it really matters to most people.
NanoClouD if your reading this do me a favor and please leave the sc2 community. I ask you kindly and its only for your own good to not make things worst. I knew you were up to no good from the get-go. I never brung it up till now because I was waiting for stuff like this to happen. Atleast come back with an alternate alias and be a complete different person then you are now.
TL please ban Nanocloud for his own good as you did with Anderson. Hes only putting the nail in his coffin.
Every day I open TL. And every day for the past week~ or so this thread has been on my sidebar Let's just forget about sMi/nanocloud/everything that happened here because it all really doesn't deserve any more spotlight TT.
No offense but it feels like its your own fault , from what I see he's clearly being unprofessional and telling bullshit , how can you believe that? And why would they invest like that in a team with b~ players, it feels like it isn't to hard to tell this guy is shady and trying to pull something weird off o.o
On August 05 2013 17:09 hansonslee wrote: Well, it was fun and all. Time to close this thread. But for you folks out, here's the recap:
sMi gets scammed by an idiotic con artist Con-artist tries to save face BUT WAIT, there's more! NanoCloud was revealed to be a compulsive liar who is partly responsible for sMi's demise. The SCA and other NA team drama unfolds! PLOT TWIST: Rei was a SPY? Good honest players make amends, and Andeson and NaNoCloud have been revealed as the scum they are.
Fun story, guys! I just hope that this is the last time we will ever see this again!
Thank you for the recap.
I had no idea what happened in this thread since the last time I posted.
So my question to those involved is what do you hope to gain by continuing to post in this thread? Your essentially all rolling around in the mud at this point. Do you think if you beat them at the mud slinging your somehow going to repair/better your image? I'm just curious...
I read the whole post, but I don't have time to read 24 pages of replies...
Where's the scam part come in?
Wasn't this essentially a troll/trick/hoax? Technically contracts have binding agreements in them but from what I read I didn't see any mention of it being abused at all; I also presume the contract has requirements for the "sponsor"s as well, which obviously they haven't fulfilled making the contract invalid.
God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
LOL, I'm definitely not Rei
The fact that you deny it so promptly makes us even more suspicious.
so some guy promised to give you gear/money/sponsorship but never did.. i wouldn't really say you guys got scammed.. you guys didn't really lose anything and this guy didnt even gain anything. seems like a pretty stupid situation overall tbh :[
Sorry that sMi has to go through this. You guys were powerhouse in BW and I hope you can rebuild that image. This must be a nightmare for management. Live and learn!
By the way what's a "sand nigger"?... Seriously never heard of it.
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
Tim is dirtybird the Original Poster of this thread. As to whether or not rei, dualan and nanocloud the same person TL mod can see our IP address and confirm that we are not. The only way Deezer involved in this is getting stomp by me on ladder just a few days ago http://ggtracker.com/matches/3825889 Nanocloud is not ganna GG, he still have the trust of his friends and they joined Core gaming together for his next heist
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
Lol!!! Movie trailer in the works! Deezer secretly pulling strings haha. I like the "new challenger appear." Sounds like the message that would be read in super smash bros when you were going to unlock a new character!
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
LOL, I'm definitely not Rei
The fact that you deny it so promptly makes us even more suspicious.
I want proof that Rei and Dualan aren't the same person. I want them to stream at the same time with webcam so we can compare it, SIDE BY SIDE. buwahah
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
LOL, I'm definitely not Rei
The fact that you deny it so promptly makes us even more suspicious.
I want proof that Rei and Dualan aren't the same person. I want them to stream at the same time with webcam so we can compare it, SIDE BY SIDE. buwahah
No we need a picture of both of them kissing each other, that way we can make sure they are not the same person.
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
LOL, I'm definitely not Rei
The fact that you deny it so promptly makes us even more suspicious.
I want proof that Rei and Dualan aren't the same person. I want them to stream at the same time with webcam so we can compare it, SIDE BY SIDE. buwahah
No we need a picture of both of them kissing each other, that way we can make sure they are not the same person.
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
LOL, I'm definitely not Rei
The fact that you deny it so promptly makes us even more suspicious.
I want proof that Rei and Dualan aren't the same person. I want them to stream at the same time with webcam so we can compare it, SIDE BY SIDE. buwahah
On August 07 2013 09:26 NanoClouD wrote: if i stream with webcam.. how will you know its me? What if I just hired TaeJa or Polt to play on my account and webcam? or................rei?
On August 07 2013 09:26 NanoClouD wrote: if i stream with webcam.. how will you know its me? What if I just hired TaeJa or Polt to play on my account and webcam? or................rei?
Because we know who you are.. duh. Or at least who you claim to be.
Since everyone knows now- I hope- that those Skype conversations are faked, I would like to make a little statement about all this. I cannot talk about the team smi, since i don't know that team, i heard about them the first time in this thread. But I would like to make clear that LYGF and Clarity gaming are on good terms with each other and the following things are my real thoughts about Clarity: Clarity is a very strong team with an excellent management, there is no day in the gaming scene where Clarity is not present and shows good results. Me personally I think Clarity is on the top when we talk about marketing, they should be an example for many.
Just want to pitch in that Milad (Nanocloud) is indeed GM level. We had skyped & played each other during WoL. If he told someone he played as me at MLG Raleigh then yea ok whatever, but he is the skill level he claims and wouldn't need to be leveled.
On September 17 2013 13:29 Eifer wrote: Just want to pitch in that Milad (Nanocloud) is indeed GM level. We had skyped & played each other during WoL. If he told someone he played as me at MLG Raleigh then yea ok whatever, but he is the skill level he claims and wouldn't need to be leveled.
How do you that was actually Milad and not an imposter!?!??!?!
On September 17 2013 13:29 Eifer wrote: Just want to pitch in that Milad (Nanocloud) is indeed GM level. We had skyped & played each other during WoL. If he told someone he played as me at MLG Raleigh then yea ok whatever, but he is the skill level he claims and wouldn't need to be leveled.
Yes, I would like to add to this.
I am a Diamond player who met him while he was ranking some guys acc, using the [Core] tag I asked if he was on core, and he said yea its nanocloud, so we played and he CRUSSSSHED me... ! so i was like wow, hes pretty good.. so I had him play against a master friend of mine (nanocloud is very nice, he said sure he'd play maybe I would stop by his site etc), and nanocloud crushed him with all 3 races (not playing random but chosing each race) and it is pretty obvious he is GM level. And on top of that, he was actually at a LAN at the time so it couldn't have been some other guy it was nanocloud
tl;dr: No, nanocloud isn't GM level and I will never believe it until proven. He's obviously a sociopathic liar and I hope nobody actually believes what he says.
On September 17 2013 13:29 Eifer wrote: Just want to pitch in that Milad (Nanocloud) is indeed GM level. We had skyped & played each other during WoL. If he told someone he played as me at MLG Raleigh then yea ok whatever, but he is the skill level he claims and wouldn't need to be leveled.
why did you awaken the drama? lol. But seriously, this thread had its time imo.
On September 17 2013 13:29 Eifer wrote: Just want to pitch in that Milad (Nanocloud) is indeed GM level. We had skyped & played each other during WoL. If he told someone he played as me at MLG Raleigh then yea ok whatever, but he is the skill level he claims and wouldn't need to be leveled.
what a worthless necro. This cancerous post had finally slipped into the darkness
On August 06 2013 19:15 Maasked wrote: God this is the best thread. The epic reveal from Rei a few pages ago that all along he was a spy!
Kelly/Anderson also bringing great drama into the story. But I have to wonder, in the next chapter will we find out that the strings of Anderson were pulled by Nanocloud? Is it possible that Quantic Dualan is also Rei, IS REI NANOCLOUD ASWELL? Who is Tim?
What will TT1 post next?
Will a new challenger appear?
Is Deezer involved?
Will Nanocloud ever GG, or will he forever deny the handshake? None of these questions and less will be answered in the next installment of SPECTACULAR STARCRAFT LIVE!!!
LOL, I'm definitely not Rei
The fact that you deny it so promptly makes us even more suspicious.
Only the true Rei would deny himself! :D <= Proof here
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