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No idea who Shauni is... I think I got on this guy Kaals nerves, especially during the hour or so I was allowed in his IRC channel which he enjoys telling people he is the master of.
I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.
And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.
Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D
As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.
The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.
Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.
Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.
EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.
Um considering the kind of stuff you see in Western films and books I am not sure how that's something close to being unique to Japan.
Any examples? I can't remember the last time I saw something that dared to do something like that. Obviously there are countless films and books I have never encountered, but in my experience storytelling in the western world works quite differently.
Arbitrarily betraying everything a character stands for and the emotions of the audience takes more guts than countless rape scenes or gory murders in my opinion, and is to me a much larger taboo to break. I feel the same way when the dramatic climax of Steamboy is interrupted by the carroussels on the steamtower. Or when Uryuu Ryuunosuke and Caster get plenty of screentime arguing for their anti-establishment, anti-moral and anti-reason ways of thinking - and on that same note, that Ryuunosuke is allowed redemption at the end, something that is denied a traditional heroic character like Matou Kariya...
I just seem to find these things in anime, and at least in the current storytelling environment, I don't see anything equivalent to anime in terms of production value and willingness to explore anything.
EDIT: I think the point about A Serbian Film is the perfect example of misunderstanding what I am talking about, but I was never able to explain it in an acceptable way, obviously.
So is your point that anime is fine with breaking what a character seems to stand for? Frankly you are not making much sense, but I still don't see what's so unique about that to Japan or anime.
My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.
I don't know how you reached that conclusion, tbh. Anime fine with anything? We should see incest from OreImo any day now, doesn't seem to be happening. In terms of entertainment, look at GTA or Hitman, people seem to be plenty amused by theft, drug trafficking and assassinations. Awesome production value? The amount of money spent can't be compared to Western movie flicks, and with anime the production quality varies heavily from studio to studio.
Sounds to me like you just lack exposure and overthink things.
I definitely overthink things, but the western movie flicks that have production value comparable to Code Geass or Fate/Zero would be Ice Age 4, Madagascar 3, Brave etc.
Theft, drug trafficking and assassinations have nothing to do with my point. I am not saying these things are taboo in storytelling, they are not. They are prevalent in almost any popular story you can think of. Violence is not a taboo, but the sympathy of the audience towards the story you are telling and the characters you are trying to portray very much so seems to be a taboo in Western storytelling, and it only gets further established as production values go up in my opinion.
It isn't a taboo, it is marketing sense. Like what I said about OreImo and incest. If the author actually had the balls to insert incest in, I'd be pretty pleasantly surprised, the sales would probably go up for that vol and then all hell will break loose and the guy won't be able to sell shit for the rest of his life. The higher the budget the less likely you are to betray audience expectation because you know, you want to sell this shit. Anime is just one of the examples of a niche industry where you can piss off your audience and they'll still come crawling back buying stuff. That isn't something unique to Japan at all.
This is a relevant point, and I was probably too enamoured (sp?) with the high production values to realize that this wasn't mainstream media, because it looks like mainstream media in the west. However, with the Steamboy example, that is a movie that is supposed to play to a mainstream audience in Japan right? And I still think it dares to do things that, say, Transformers or The Lion King would never do.
On July 12 2012 22:53 Ecael wrote: [quote] People never disliked Blast for yuri spam, annoying as those are. Blast was a pain because he was pretty retarded.
[quote] A quick survey just now showed that a total of one person remembers who you are, the others just know you for Denmark. So whatever you did, you are not nearly as infamous as Shauni.
Apparently Kaal hates you with a passion though? News to me though.
No idea who Shauni is... I think I got on this guy Kaals nerves, especially during the hour or so I was allowed in his IRC channel which he enjoys telling people he is the master of.
I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.
And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.
Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D
As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.
The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.
Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.
Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.
EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.
Um considering the kind of stuff you see in Western films and books I am not sure how that's something close to being unique to Japan.
Any examples? I can't remember the last time I saw something that dared to do something like that. Obviously there are countless films and books I have never encountered, but in my experience storytelling in the western world works quite differently.
Arbitrarily betraying everything a character stands for and the emotions of the audience takes more guts than countless rape scenes or gory murders in my opinion, and is to me a much larger taboo to break. I feel the same way when the dramatic climax of Steamboy is interrupted by the carroussels on the steamtower. Or when Uryuu Ryuunosuke and Caster get plenty of screentime arguing for their anti-establishment, anti-moral and anti-reason ways of thinking - and on that same note, that Ryuunosuke is allowed redemption at the end, something that is denied a traditional heroic character like Matou Kariya...
I just seem to find these things in anime, and at least in the current storytelling environment, I don't see anything equivalent to anime in terms of production value and willingness to explore anything.
EDIT: I think the point about A Serbian Film is the perfect example of misunderstanding what I am talking about, but I was never able to explain it in an acceptable way, obviously.
So is your point that anime is fine with breaking what a character seems to stand for? Frankly you are not making much sense, but I still don't see what's so unique about that to Japan or anime.
My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.
uhhh,, just like every single kind of other entertainment media in existence maybe ? If your talking about tentacle shit thats about the only thing Ive noticed is unique to anime. Every other trope Ive encountered can be found everywhere in western, european or whatever media. Some of it is trash others are really good, some more mainstream then others but they are all there.
Please get over the tentacle shit, it's got nothing to do with my point. And every single kind of other entertainment first of all seems quite the exaggeration, but I feel a need again to point out that it's the combination of the willingness to go anywhere - seemingly out of nowhere and very, very thinly motivated - AND the ability to still maintain production value that rivals any family friendly western production. You can point to millions of examples of things doing one or the other, but not many that do both, but in anime it seems to happen quite frequently.
You're comparing one end of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum. You're obviously gonna find differences.
"Taboo" stuff does happen in western production, and family-friendly stuff does happen in Japanese production. You're just choosing to ignore them.
No idea who Shauni is... I think I got on this guy Kaals nerves, especially during the hour or so I was allowed in his IRC channel which he enjoys telling people he is the master of.
I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.
And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.
Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D
As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.
The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.
Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.
Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.
EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.
Um considering the kind of stuff you see in Western films and books I am not sure how that's something close to being unique to Japan.
Any examples? I can't remember the last time I saw something that dared to do something like that. Obviously there are countless films and books I have never encountered, but in my experience storytelling in the western world works quite differently.
Arbitrarily betraying everything a character stands for and the emotions of the audience takes more guts than countless rape scenes or gory murders in my opinion, and is to me a much larger taboo to break. I feel the same way when the dramatic climax of Steamboy is interrupted by the carroussels on the steamtower. Or when Uryuu Ryuunosuke and Caster get plenty of screentime arguing for their anti-establishment, anti-moral and anti-reason ways of thinking - and on that same note, that Ryuunosuke is allowed redemption at the end, something that is denied a traditional heroic character like Matou Kariya...
I just seem to find these things in anime, and at least in the current storytelling environment, I don't see anything equivalent to anime in terms of production value and willingness to explore anything.
EDIT: I think the point about A Serbian Film is the perfect example of misunderstanding what I am talking about, but I was never able to explain it in an acceptable way, obviously.
So is your point that anime is fine with breaking what a character seems to stand for? Frankly you are not making much sense, but I still don't see what's so unique about that to Japan or anime.
My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.
uhhh,, just like every single kind of other entertainment media in existence maybe ? If your talking about tentacle shit thats about the only thing Ive noticed is unique to anime. Every other trope Ive encountered can be found everywhere in western, european or whatever media. Some of it is trash others are really good, some more mainstream then others but they are all there.
Please get over the tentacle shit, it's got nothing to do with my point. And every single kind of other entertainment first of all seems quite the exaggeration, but I feel a need again to point out that it's the combination of the willingness to go anywhere - seemingly out of nowhere and very, very thinly motivated - AND the ability to still maintain production value that rivals any family friendly western production. You can point to millions of examples of things doing one or the other, but not many that do both, but in anime it seems to happen quite frequently.
You're comparing one end of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum. You're obviously gonna find differences.
"Taboo" stuff does happen in western production, and family-friendly stuff does happen in Japanese production. You're just choosing to ignore them.
And the family friendly stuff is also significantly more mainstream. I think hes having a hard time grasping how relatively small a market the industry actually is. Otherwise your "high production value" shows wouldnt be airing in unfavourable timeslots.
I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.
And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.
Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D
As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.
The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.
Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.
Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.
EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.
Um considering the kind of stuff you see in Western films and books I am not sure how that's something close to being unique to Japan.
Any examples? I can't remember the last time I saw something that dared to do something like that. Obviously there are countless films and books I have never encountered, but in my experience storytelling in the western world works quite differently.
Arbitrarily betraying everything a character stands for and the emotions of the audience takes more guts than countless rape scenes or gory murders in my opinion, and is to me a much larger taboo to break. I feel the same way when the dramatic climax of Steamboy is interrupted by the carroussels on the steamtower. Or when Uryuu Ryuunosuke and Caster get plenty of screentime arguing for their anti-establishment, anti-moral and anti-reason ways of thinking - and on that same note, that Ryuunosuke is allowed redemption at the end, something that is denied a traditional heroic character like Matou Kariya...
I just seem to find these things in anime, and at least in the current storytelling environment, I don't see anything equivalent to anime in terms of production value and willingness to explore anything.
EDIT: I think the point about A Serbian Film is the perfect example of misunderstanding what I am talking about, but I was never able to explain it in an acceptable way, obviously.
So is your point that anime is fine with breaking what a character seems to stand for? Frankly you are not making much sense, but I still don't see what's so unique about that to Japan or anime.
My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.
I don't know how you reached that conclusion, tbh. Anime fine with anything? We should see incest from OreImo any day now, doesn't seem to be happening. In terms of entertainment, look at GTA or Hitman, people seem to be plenty amused by theft, drug trafficking and assassinations. Awesome production value? The amount of money spent can't be compared to Western movie flicks, and with anime the production quality varies heavily from studio to studio.
Sounds to me like you just lack exposure and overthink things.
I definitely overthink things, but the western movie flicks that have production value comparable to Code Geass or Fate/Zero would be Ice Age 4, Madagascar 3, Brave etc.
Theft, drug trafficking and assassinations have nothing to do with my point. I am not saying these things are taboo in storytelling, they are not. They are prevalent in almost any popular story you can think of. Violence is not a taboo, but the sympathy of the audience towards the story you are telling and the characters you are trying to portray very much so seems to be a taboo in Western storytelling, and it only gets further established as production values go up in my opinion.
It isn't a taboo, it is marketing sense. Like what I said about OreImo and incest. If the author actually had the balls to insert incest in, I'd be pretty pleasantly surprised, the sales would probably go up for that vol and then all hell will break loose and the guy won't be able to sell shit for the rest of his life. The higher the budget the less likely you are to betray audience expectation because you know, you want to sell this shit. Anime is just one of the examples of a niche industry where you can piss off your audience and they'll still come crawling back buying stuff. That isn't something unique to Japan at all.
This is a relevant point, and I was probably too enamoured (sp?) with the high production values to realize that this wasn't mainstream media, because it looks like mainstream media in the west. However, with the Steamboy example, that is a movie that is supposed to play to a mainstream audience in Japan right? And I still think it dares to do things that, say, Transformers or The Lion King would never do.
Steamboy? Mainstream? Eh.
You should be looking more at like Ghibli stuff, or One Piece and some Jump products. The level of sales of the things you are listing aren't even close to what I'd call mainstream.
On July 13 2012 01:33 Heh_ wrote: ^^ Holy triple post.
On July 13 2012 01:29 Dingotrold wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:24 Rebs wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:12 Dingotrold wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:10 Ecael wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:04 Dingotrold wrote:
On July 13 2012 00:55 Ecael wrote:
On July 13 2012 00:45 Dingotrold wrote:
On July 13 2012 00:13 Kaal wrote: [quote]
I banned you because you were being an idiot, as well as offensive. "Japan has no morals" "Everyone in japan loves rape and tentacle porn" "That's just how it is in japan" etc.
And that's some of the tame comments. You were being an ass to the Japanese in IRC, as well as being an ass to pretty much everyone else.
Nobody hates BrTarolg except sent because he's a homophobe, Br just has self confidence problems. I'd count him as one of my favorite people from IRC. I love you Br :D
As for the matter of Subs vs Dubs. There are pretty much NO bad male Seiyuus, almost all of them are 10+ year veterans and some of them 20 or 30+ years. There are a LOT of horrible male english VAs, and many of the female voices are obnoxious as well. That's not to say there aren't GREAT dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Baccano and Dragonball Z are GREAT Dubs, and I would say the English and Spanish dubs of DBZ are better than their Japanese counterparts. Cardcaptor Sakura was also a good dub, though I doubt many have seen the dubbed version.
The issue with dubs vs subs is really the talentpool. Japan has veterans that are masters of their industry, and they have them in large numbers, while the English VA industry has very few veteran VAs because most of those companies pre-2007 didn't have the money to hire VAs to make their production what it should have been. Take Princess Mononoke, Billy Bob Thornton was one of the reasons my parents watched that film and they liked it because the VAs doing that movie were on another level of professionalism from 90% of most localized anime. That's the issue. It's not about understanding the language or being a Japanophile, it's about the talent.
Edit: I haven't banned Shauni because eventually he's going to become a serial rapist and I want to have evidence for the prosecution.
Actually what I said was that I think Japan is so interesting because it seems to have no taboos. Might not make a difference to anyone but me (sure didn't at the time), but just to clear it up. The comments you 'quote' is an accurate portrayal of what my initial statement was construed as, and when I was asked to clarify, you told me to shut up and that nobody cared. But I don't blame you, I just think you should point out that people aren't allowed to offend you, intentionally or otherwise, in your channel before openly inviting people to join it.
EDIT: By the way, I tried explaining myself using Steamboy which was ridiculed, but now I am more educated and have examples more relevant to peoples interests. For instance, Euphemia in Code Geass.
Um considering the kind of stuff you see in Western films and books I am not sure how that's something close to being unique to Japan.
Any examples? I can't remember the last time I saw something that dared to do something like that. Obviously there are countless films and books I have never encountered, but in my experience storytelling in the western world works quite differently.
Arbitrarily betraying everything a character stands for and the emotions of the audience takes more guts than countless rape scenes or gory murders in my opinion, and is to me a much larger taboo to break. I feel the same way when the dramatic climax of Steamboy is interrupted by the carroussels on the steamtower. Or when Uryuu Ryuunosuke and Caster get plenty of screentime arguing for their anti-establishment, anti-moral and anti-reason ways of thinking - and on that same note, that Ryuunosuke is allowed redemption at the end, something that is denied a traditional heroic character like Matou Kariya...
I just seem to find these things in anime, and at least in the current storytelling environment, I don't see anything equivalent to anime in terms of production value and willingness to explore anything.
EDIT: I think the point about A Serbian Film is the perfect example of misunderstanding what I am talking about, but I was never able to explain it in an acceptable way, obviously.
So is your point that anime is fine with breaking what a character seems to stand for? Frankly you are not making much sense, but I still don't see what's so unique about that to Japan or anime.
My point is supposed to be, that anime seems fine with anything, as long as it is interesting. And they have this MO in an environment which somehow allows absolutely breathtaking production value. I can't think of anywhere else where this combination exists.
uhhh,, just like every single kind of other entertainment media in existence maybe ? If your talking about tentacle shit thats about the only thing Ive noticed is unique to anime. Every other trope Ive encountered can be found everywhere in western, european or whatever media. Some of it is trash others are really good, some more mainstream then others but they are all there.
Please get over the tentacle shit, it's got nothing to do with my point. And every single kind of other entertainment first of all seems quite the exaggeration, but I feel a need again to point out that it's the combination of the willingness to go anywhere - seemingly out of nowhere and very, very thinly motivated - AND the ability to still maintain production value that rivals any family friendly western production. You can point to millions of examples of things doing one or the other, but not many that do both, but in anime it seems to happen quite frequently.
You're comparing one end of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum. You're obviously gonna find differences.
"Taboo" stuff does happen in western production, and family-friendly stuff does happen in Japanese production. You're just choosing to ignore them.
And the family friendly stuff is also significantly more mainstream. I think hes having a hard time grasping how relatively small a market the industry actually is. Otherwise your "high production value" shows wouldnt be airing in unfavourable timeslots.
Yeah, people don't know the difference between 7pm and 1am timeslots..
On July 13 2012 01:47 Kaal wrote: Every anime you have watched other than DBZ, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto airs between midnight and 3 am in Japan, just so you know.
On July 13 2012 01:47 Kaal wrote: Every anime you have watched other than DBZ, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto airs between midnight and 3 am in Japan, just so you know.
On July 13 2012 01:47 Kaal wrote: Every anime you have watched other than DBZ, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto airs between midnight and 3 am in Japan, just so you know.
CG S2 was prime time too.
Yugioh, Fairy Tail doh .. I think something is replacing Bleach to maybe people who watch know, was that kiddy show with the dinosaur.
On July 13 2012 01:47 Kaal wrote: Every anime you have watched other than DBZ, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto airs between midnight and 3 am in Japan, just so you know.
CG S2 was prime time too.
Yugioh, Fairy Tail doh .. I think something is replacing Bleach to maybe people who watch know, was that kiddy show with the dinosaur.
Like I already said, I think the timeslot thing is a very relevant point. I wasn't aware of this when I first encountered anime. However, I read that Steamboy was the most expensive anime ever made at the time, surely this must have been targeted at a larger audience than the niche nighttime programming?
And yeah, I am obviously aware that not all of Japan is like this... Even though I think it's retarded I have to clarify this, I do realize that they also have family-friendly rather uninteresting stuff in Japan, and since I have seen a little bit of pokemon, I will say I can definitely see the difference between that and the infamous nightly shows.
You guys are all acting like these things I bring up have nothing to do with anime. But I think they're very particular to anime, I haven't seen it anywhere else. If you really think that this could be seen in so many other places, please point them out. And if somebody says The Human Centipede I will quit trying to explain myself, promise. Beating a dead horse wrapped around my head against a wall at this point.
EDIT: Sorry for all the posts, I wish I knew how to edit in a quote from a post so I wouldn't have to answer in different posts. Once I click edit I lose the convenient quote button *sigh*
I've always been impressed by not only the complete lack of taboos and morals of Japanese society, but also impressed at how they air mainstream, hollywood production-value level cartoons at 3am.
On July 13 2012 02:04 Dingotrold wrote: Like I already said, I think the timeslot thing is a very relevant point. I wasn't aware of this when I first encountered anime. However, I read that Steamboy was the most expensive anime ever made at the time, surely this must have been targeted at a larger audience than the niche nighttime programming?
And yeah, I am obviously aware that not all of Japan is like this... Even though I think it's retarded I have to clarify this, I do realize that they also have family-friendly rather uninteresting stuff in Japan, and since I have seen a little bit of pokemon, I will say I can definitely see the difference between that and the infamous nightly shows.
You guys are all acting like these things I bring up have nothing to do with anime. But I think they're very particular to anime, I haven't seen it anywhere else. If you really think that this could be seen in so many other places, please point them out. And if somebody says The Human Centipede I will quit trying to explain myself, promise. Beating a dead horse wrapped around my head against a wall at this point.
EDIT: Sorry for all the posts, I wish I knew how to edit in a quote from a post so I wouldn't have to answer in different posts. Once I click edit I lose the convenient quote button *sigh*
On July 13 2012 02:06 Sentenal wrote: I've always been impressed by not only the complete lack of taboos and morals of Japanese society, but also impressed at how they air mainstream, hollywood production-value level cartoons at 3am.
Bully... The only thing I will support in this statement, is that I am also very impressed at how they air hollywood production-value level cartoons at 3am. I wish any other country in the world would do it too.
On July 13 2012 02:04 Dingotrold wrote: Like I already said, I think the timeslot thing is a very relevant point. I wasn't aware of this when I first encountered anime. However, I read that Steamboy was the most expensive anime ever made at the time, surely this must have been targeted at a larger audience than the niche nighttime programming?
And yeah, I am obviously aware that not all of Japan is like this... Even though I think it's retarded I have to clarify this, I do realize that they also have family-friendly rather uninteresting stuff in Japan, and since I have seen a little bit of pokemon, I will say I can definitely see the difference between that and the infamous nightly shows.
You guys are all acting like these things I bring up have nothing to do with anime. But I think they're very particular to anime, I haven't seen it anywhere else. If you really think that this could be seen in so many other places, please point them out. And if somebody says The Human Centipede I will quit trying to explain myself, promise. Beating a dead horse wrapped around my head against a wall at this point.
EDIT: Sorry for all the posts, I wish I knew how to edit in a quote from a post so I wouldn't have to answer in different posts. Once I click edit I lose the convenient quote button *sigh*
Not particularly, things can have retarded costs attached because they are just bad at handling budgets or something got out of hand. Steamboy is still nowhere close to say, Doraemon and Ghibli stuff when it comes to being mainstream.
And I can't even bring up examples because you are saying that something that doesn't exist is the case here. Anime isn't this magical mixture of production value and exploration of what humanity can stand for.
As for editing in quotes, I just quote, copy, go to my post, edit, paste. zz
On July 12 2012 23:47 solidbebe wrote: If you want some good engrish, this song was actually in the anime at a sad moment, instead of being moved I was rather busy laughing -___-:
Somehow with music it becomes easy to tune out the lyrics and just listen to the tune/pay attention to the scene, but the engrish spoken lines kill me sometimes. Like the end of F/Z 25...
On July 12 2012 23:47 solidbebe wrote: If you want some good engrish, this song was actually in the anime at a sad moment, instead of being moved I was rather busy laughing -___-:
Somehow with music it becomes easy to tune out the lyrics and just listen to the tune/pay attention to the scene, but the engrish spoken lines kill me sometimes. Like the end of F/Z 25...
On July 12 2012 23:47 solidbebe wrote: If you want some good engrish, this song was actually in the anime at a sad moment, instead of being moved I was rather busy laughing -___-:
Somehow with music it becomes easy to tune out the lyrics and just listen to the tune/pay attention to the scene, but the engrish spoken lines kill me sometimes. Like the end of F/Z 25...
For awesome engrish, go play MLA.
Transmet n engrish, dats the alcual rangage. We cann unersand wat urr sayn.
English can eat shit, I repeat, English can eat shit!
On July 12 2012 23:47 solidbebe wrote: If you want some good engrish, this song was actually in the anime at a sad moment, instead of being moved I was rather busy laughing -___-:
Somehow with music it becomes easy to tune out the lyrics and just listen to the tune/pay attention to the scene, but the engrish spoken lines kill me sometimes. Like the end of F/Z 25...
For awesome engrish, go play MLA.
Transmet n engrish, dats the alcual rangage. We cann unersand wat urr sayn.
English can eat shit, I repeat, English can eat shit!
Whuat???
I'm slightly ashamed but I literally went "fuck it" and ignored what they said and read the subtitles instead of even trying.
i have just watched medaka box, the 12 episodes are every last bit as batshit crazy as the manga xD a total trainwreck of genres, characters, dialogue and super sayajin.
next season is already announced, that should be the flask plan with class 13, and if that does well, we get the minus right? gogo dvd sales! xD
EPT
