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JacobStrangelove
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JacobStrangelove
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
@SDM My opinion of Yamato is getting scummier as the thread progresses. I really cannot take anything he says seriously, just look at this wall of text. The majority is basically a summary of stuff that happened. On November 26 2012 23:10 yamato77 wrote: It seems like most people that have posted opinions about me that are negative have done so while quoting or referencing the earliest part of my posts, so I guess I'll explain my thought process behind them. Early on, it became apparent to me, as I believe it did to Oats, that literally everyone was either not online at all or not posting intentionally. Most of my posts were in response to other people. If you'll notice, one of them was in response to CC asking me what I thought of him. I said Perhaps I should have explained then, but I meant that I didn't like the way he entered the thread. His little questionnaire was really, really pointless. It seemed to me at the time something that a mafia player might do to appear to be "starting discussion" without putting anything of real value in the thread. Thus, I limited my posting intentionally as to not really do anything except react to other people and try to get them to give information. Aqua was willing; I asked him his thoughts on me and Cheesecake and he gave them, without any questions. It was then that Cheesecake asked me my opinion of him, and I gave the aforementioned answer. Then he asked me what I thought the discussion should be about, and I told him, I thought us (Aqua and I) talking about whether he was acting suspicious was fine. I called out Oats for calling him scum, which I was not ready to do without more solid evidence, and have not done so yet. My next post received a lot of heat. I posted my ill-timed opinion of Mr. Cheesecake. I was being honest. 1)Nothing looked like worthwhile contribution up to that point, to me. It still doesn't. He says he has contributed, but I don't see anything except a poor read on Helos he backed away from, continually attacking me for voicing my opinion of him, and defending himself. He has posted no other reads on anyone else. 2)I keep saying these same things and they are still true. I want to know what people think of me because I don't want to be surprised by more votes on me like I was with SDM's. 3)I didn't like his voting of me because I didn't think people would honestly give a scum read on me based on my posting up to that point. I suppose I was wrong, which is why I've since become much more forthcoming with my thoughts and motivations. As far as reads on other people. Kickstarter's sheer aggression when defending Cheesecake against Oats is astounding. He uses vulgar language more than once and seems wholly preoccupied with Oats' vote being on CC. He doesn't even care if other people think Oats is scum necessarily, so why did he vote for him? 4)The play doesn't really make sense because all he did was cause a whole lot of uproar over a play that no one else saw as scummy. If anything, THAT seems like a scum play. That being said, Oats is definitely not a town read. None of his posting is particularly forthcoming about his actual motivation. His vote on CC, while initially seeming like a pressure vote, hasn't been justified properly. SDM and Aqua are probably town. They have posted the most real content up to this point and their arguments have been clearly motivated. Helo is a less troll version of Oats. None of his play is backed with clear motivation, but it is not inherently scummy either. If Jacob misspells my name one more time I will lynch him. In seriousness, I think he has posted a lot of fluff and rehashed arguments. 5)I am interested in who he reads as blue, though. I have a blue read too. Munk-E is seriously lackluster. I would vote for him over CC if I made a choice right now. I don't like CC's play but I don't like how little Munk has contributed and how long he has lurked. So to rank my reads from scummiest to least it would go: 6)Munk-E Cheesecake Kickstarter (area of ambiguity) Jacob Helo Oats (/end area of ambiguity) SDM Aqua Me 1) So nothing at all was worth pitching in on? Why don't you want to come up with original ideas instead of sheeping off of SDM's case on me? 2) We know you've been saying these things over and over, you don't need to tell us. Why are you trying to assure us that you haven't gone off-track in your thinking? 3) Town are not concerned with coming off a little scummy. You evidently, are. 4) Anyone who saw Oat's cavalier vote of me would at least garner some suspicion of it. The fact Kickstarter focused on it isn't a surprise. 5) Why do you want to know who is blue??? Town do NOT blue hunt!! Scum do. And even if you think someone might be blue, you do NOT reveal it to the thread -- it makes for an easy scum target. 6) As SDM said, these reads are SAFE AS HELL! Everyone on his top-scum list has had some suspicion thrown onto them by another player. Oats thinks im scummy, yamato agrees. Munk - E has some suspicion on him, yamato agrees. Kickstarter is thrown under the bus, yamato agrees. Where the HELL is his original thinking? - Yamato is sheeping like hell. - His largest post is basically a summary of events that rehashes other peoples ideas. - He seems to be actively lurking, and waiting for when to chime in (I.E., his post about me). Answering questions that aren't addressed to him fit in this category. I see no reason I should take my vote off of him. I feel like this Munk-E lynch is an easy way for scum to secure a mislynch. I dearly hope he magically appears to defend himself. Helo right now I'm liking more because he shaped up after I accused him of being neutral. Oats is just sitting with his vote on me. His entire case is based on a "feeling" and that my questions were "fluff". Being content to just sit on someone really says "Meh, I don't care who is lynched, this guy will do." | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:49 Kickstart wrote: Was my defense not adequate for you SDM? I really feel the points brought against me were pretty mediocre. Not really, you've made sense with your posts. I even pointed out why I thought the case wasn't convincing beforehand. Somehow the thought you being scum got stuck in my head because it's posters like you who I don't pay too much to, who makes sense while stating quite obvious and uncontroversial opinions, that turn out to be scum later (while I've focused on bad players early). This is shitty and unconvincing reasoning though, so I'd rather have you around to be able to make a better read later. In the end I'm really not convinced about any of the scum reads I've had. I think Munk is more or less a coin flip and if he flips green we're in a terrible spot D2. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Town do NOT blue hunt!! I do  The fact Kickstarter focused on it isn't a surprise. Just interesting to note but my notes file has you two in a love story situation. This can be good or bad but you seem to defend each other. (this happens as town and scum) However it is true what you say about yamato. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
It seems like the voting is kind of all over the place. I've come up with a few criteria that I will use when I decide on who to vote for and then I'll vote on whoever comes off as most scummy according to those. Not necessarily one of the main targets right now. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 27 2012 02:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: Well I have finished everything. I don't want to vote munkey for listed reasons (when is the lynch btw?) but I have to vote before bed. So far I have to go Yamato77 or Kickstart. For the moment while I think I have to go Yamato while I think about the recent developments with kick (incase I fall alseep {3:11am}) ##Vote: Yamato77 I can see why you don't want to vote for Munk, but why Yamato over Kick or anyone else? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Munk-E isn't voting. If he doesn't show up to vote, will he be mod-killed or replaced? I'll attempt to replace first. If I can't find a replacement in a reasonable amount of time, I'll modkill him. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Yamato77 (2):Mr. Cheesecake, Munk-E (3):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77 Kickstart (1)Aquanim Not voting (1):Munk-E If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched 6 hours remain Remember you have to vote! | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Either way I am going to wait a bit longer before making a final decision, hopefully someone actually posts something instead of everyone sitting around waiting for lynch time to roll around. | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
On November 26 2012 23:10 yamato77 wrote: It seems like most people that have posted opinions about me that are negative have done so while quoting or referencing the earliest part of my posts, so I guess I'll explain my thought process behind them. Early on, it became apparent to me, as I believe it did to Oats, that literally everyone was either not online at all or not posting intentionally. Most of my posts were in response to other people. If you'll notice, one of them was in response to CC asking me what I thought of him. I said Perhaps I should have explained then, but I meant that I didn't like the way he entered the thread. His little questionnaire was really, really pointless. It seemed to me at the time something that a mafia player might do to appear to be "starting discussion" without putting anything of real value in the thread. Thus, I limited my posting intentionally as to not really do anything except react to other people and try to get them to give information. Aqua was willing; I asked him his thoughts on me and Cheesecake and he gave them, without any questions. It was then that Cheesecake asked me my opinion of him, and I gave the aforementioned answer. Then he asked me what I thought the discussion should be about, and I told him, I thought us (Aqua and I) talking about whether he was acting suspicious was fine. I called out Oats for calling him scum, which I was not ready to do without more solid evidence, and have not done so yet. My next post received a lot of heat. I posted my ill-timed opinion of Mr. Cheesecake. I was being honest. Nothing looked like worthwhile contribution up to that point, to me. It still doesn't. He says he has contributed, but I don't see anything except a poor read on Helos he backed away from, continually attacking me for voicing my opinion of him, and defending himself. He has posted no other reads on anyone else. I keep saying these same things and they are still true. I want to know what people think of me because I don't want to be surprised by more votes on me like I was with SDM's. I didn't like his voting of me because I didn't think people would honestly give a scum read on me based on my posting up to that point. I suppose I was wrong, which is why I've since become much more forthcoming with my thoughts and motivations. As far as reads on other people. Kickstarter's sheer aggression when defending Cheesecake against Oats is astounding. He uses vulgar language more than once and seems wholly preoccupied with Oats' vote being on CC. He doesn't even care if other people think Oats is scum necessarily, so why did he vote for him? The play doesn't really make sense because all he did was cause a whole lot of uproar over a play that no one else saw as scummy. If anything, THAT seems like a scum play. That being said, Oats is definitely not a town read. None of his posting is particularly forthcoming about his actual motivation. His vote on CC, while initially seeming like a pressure vote, hasn't been justified properly. SDM and Aqua are probably town. They have posted the most real content up to this point and their arguments have been clearly motivated. Helo is a less troll version of Oats. None of his play is backed with clear motivation, but it is not inherently scummy either. If Jacob misspells my name one more time I will lynch him. In seriousness, I think he has posted a lot of fluff and rehashed arguments. I am interested in who he reads as blue, though. I have a blue read too. Munk-E is seriously lackluster. I would vote for him over CC if I made a choice right now. I don't like CC's play but I don't like how little Munk has contributed and how long he has lurked. So to rank my reads from scummiest to least it would go: Munk-E Cheesecake Kickstarter (area of ambiguity) Jacob Helo Oats (/end area of ambiguity) SDM Aqua Me He seems to be against me, CC and kickstarter. I understand his reasoning behind being suspicious of me (despite my opinion of being suspicious of lurkers), however he never made an argument against CC, despite promising to. On November 26 2012 15:56 yamato77 wrote: I'll make my case against CC when I get home. My early game posts were obviously bad play. I get that now. Since then I think I'm quickly improving. I keep asking because it does no good to be town and get lynched day one for playing like scum. That being said, I completely understand SDM's vote to me, but I have not changed my opinion on CC. In fact, the only one I see who has made a real case against CC is SDM, and that case was based off of how he played in previous games. I feel basing a scum read on how he played before is really dumb, because he could easily change his style, and in that post he also said that he probably intentionally did that. This just creates a massive WIFOM situation, and thus to me, invalidates the point. This post was also posted in the middle of a minor Kickstarter bandwagon. And while he did make a small case against kickstarter, it was nothing really substantial, and somewhat contradictive. The play doesn't really make sense because all he did was cause a whole lot of uproar over a play that no one else saw as scummy. If anything, THAT seems like a scum play. That being said, Oats is definitely not a town read. (Also as a side note, I saw that play as scummy, as I explained before.) This may be to distance himself from oats, who I feel still isn't in the clear, but his entire case on kickstarter was because he went after oats so aggressively, therefore, going and saying he might be scum is contradictory to his entire case. What I noticed most about his only posts that were more than a few lines were hardcore about defending his image. (above and below) On November 26 2012 06:55 yamato77 wrote: My motivation is to give my read on someone who is playing suspiciously since his first post. Where was I before that? Asleep. A bunch of your argument to me is simply fallacy. Me being hypocritical (whether true or not) has nothing to do with your contributions to the thread. My timing and content is scummy? Of course I want to voice my opinion on someone who is being cast into the spotlight. What am I supposed to do? Ignore it? You didn't even answer my accusations, you just spun around and attacked me. At least SDM's post against mine had some quality. I don't think my posting at the beginning should be taken as alignment indicative. It was prodding, mostly. I'm on the fence about Mr. Cheesecake. His posting is still mostly defending himself, and attacking two players who posted early, me and Helo. That kind of behavior doesn't really indicate alignment, but if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him. Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells. On November 26 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote: SDM's vote on me is based on information from a single post basically, which does not bode well for my opinion of him. Honestly if I am your top scumread because of a bunch of one-liners and a post where I give my negative opinion on someone you read as scum, you are doing something wrong. CC's vote on me looks like scum trying to deflect attention onto a player receiving negative heat. Also, it would eliminate someone he sees as a threat, if he was scum, in that I haven't liked his play since the start of the game. I'm tempted to vote Cheesecake with you, if your vote is actually serious. However, if I get lynched today, I would 100% go after CC and SDM tomorrow because of the way they have parked their votes on me. On November 26 2012 07:26 yamato77 wrote: You want my opinion on Oats? He is probably just a bored townie early on because him giving some silly read is just to spark discussion on something. As he keeps going on, a lot of his posting is in reaction to you and accusations against him, which is entirely logical given that until you guys FoS'd me, that was the only discussion. Nothing there reads either way, in particular. SDM's post was "a little jab"? Dude voted for you. If I'm interested in his reasons, which I was, and I have my own reasons, which I did, I would voice them. Again, am I supposed to just stay silent and let you lynch me for saying nothing? I definitely said I didn't like your topics of discussion in my first few posts. They are fluff, which I don't care for. I didn't react to them because that is adding to the fluff. If that is how people think we should start threads, I disagree. It doesn't provide any information at all. What Oats did was more productive, in my opinion, but hardly alignment indicative. Also, I'm definitely interested to see if SDM still thinks my play is scummy after these two posts. And how about the rest of you lurkers? Do I look scummy to you? Yes Yamato, yes you do Now I shouldn't need to tell you why I'm suspicious of someone who's only real content is making cases for why he's innocent. He also voted for me after both helo and SDM, but i'll let it slide because I was at the top of suscpicion list. Nonetheless, he seems most concerned about defending himself, and explaining his actions, and that certainly seems more scummy than anyone else so far to me, and while I wish I had longer to decide, he certainly looks the worst to me, so therefore ##Vote: yamato77 (p.s. before anyone says it, I didn't just make this post because he was voting for me, I understand that's just pressure.) | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Yamato77 (3):Mr. Cheesecake, Munk-E (3):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77 Kickstart (1)Aquanim Not voting (0): If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched because he got to 3 votes first 5 hours remain Remember you have to vote! | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster(0): Yamato77 (4):Mr. Cheesecake, Munk-E (3):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77 Kickstart (1)Aquanim Not voting (0): If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Yamato77 is set to be lynched 5 hours remain Remember you have to vote! | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: @Aqua I expressed why I wasn't entirely convinced about your Kick case here. If you're convinced he's scum, can you explain why you don't share those concerns? Kickstart's defence of Cheesecake wasn't limited to Oatsmaster's case - iirc he poked at the use of meta in your CC case, too. The combination of these two, and the lack of serious posting on any other topics really, is what's setting me off. I'm not quite as convinced as I was last night, but I certainly don't have any better reads. On November 26 2012 22:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Aqua Do you REALLY think Yamato has more insightful posts than Helo? Helo was playing neutral, sure, but at least he had the audacity to come up with an original case on Munk with the little posts he had. Imo he's showing way more initiative than this Yamato fellow. Not sure I've read the case in detail, but with the natural suspiciousness on someone with two posts total it's not hard to make some kind of convincing case. I'm not saying Yamato is TELLING us anything more useful, but I just get the feeling that his posts are probing people a little more. Asking more interesting questions. It's a vague feeling though. My vote stays on Kickstart... I'm beginning to see how he might do this as town, but I still think that what he's been posting would look awfully tempting as mafia. I think I might be missing something about Yamato that you are all seeing, but I don't have time to look at all of his posts in context right now. I'm not comfortable leaving a vote on Munk-E when his filter (and the substantiation of any reads on him) could quadruple in size. Kickstart, if you're town, I expect serious and active scumhunting from you in the future. See you on the other side. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
I really don't like how Jacob and Munk have voted on me after it became apparent that Munk was going to be lynched if mafia didn't bus someone else. Could definitely be a mafia tactic if Munk was indeed mafia. Munk's post on me said literally nothing anyone else hasn't said. He quoted me a bunch and called it all "defending myself" when a ton of it gave reads on players. I'm telling you guys all this because I feel a mislynch of me is definitely possible D1 and you will need serious direction D2. Kick doesn't seem that scummy anymore. I can see town kick doing what he did. I just hope he contributes more D2 than going after Oats. Top scumreads are Munk, CC, Jacob. Jacob has literally not posted any reads that weren't just sheeping other people, and tons of his posts thus far were largely or completely fluff. CC is attacking me for the same thing, but my posts have lately been full of my complete thoughts and motivations. CC could be tunneling me because I was tunneling him, but the guy hasn't got off my vote or said anything else of real value THE WHOLE GAME. Munk comes in and votes for me, and then leaves. Easy mafia cop out play. Believe me or not. You guys can make a play D1 against mafia bussing me or you can make decisions day 2 after my mislynch. | ||
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yamato77
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
When were you tunneling me? I don't recall a single piece of original evidence / quotes with engaging information. Just a bunch of WIFOM and "this is a bunch of fluff!" argument. Please, if you're so stalwart about me being scum, prove it. The only person I really consider having a case on me is SDM, and I'm leaning town on him. @Munk If you had to vote for someone besides Yamato to save your skin, who would it be and why? The fact that you come back to the thread last minute, 3rd post, and completely switch gears from your initial suspicions on Oats is odd. | ||
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