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yamato77
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
So far, it looks like Munk-E is not going to show up at all. This indicates to me that he is not active lurking, but instead just not paying attention to the game. What he's doing right now is not an optimal scum strategy or a town strategy, because both sides obviously don't want to be lynched. This means that he is 100% a coinflip right now, as others have said. If he comments again (or votes), he'll have some major things to answer for. The problem is that I'm not really seeing a clear alternative. yamato's posting can be explained by newbie town or scum, as I said earlier, and I'm not convinced it's scum. In this sense, I feel him as a coinflip also. However, yamato is posting and providing some comments where M-E is giving nothing, so I'd rather lynch Munk today. If yamato is scum, we can look at his posting d2 and see if it still can be explained by newbie town. Oats: On November 27 2012 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheesecake, I want to make it clear now. I dont think you are scum because of the joke. I think you are scum because the joke answer sounded so forced that it was beaten out of you. among other stuff. Cheesecake. Opinions on who is scum/town? What do you think about kickstarts case on me IN DETAIL. Here are some questions I actually want answered: - Why is acting casual a scum trait? Why wouldn't a townie be acting casual? - Does Munk-E's first post also seem "forced" to you? Does that make him scum as well? Note: the purpose of this post is not to defend CC, it's to get more information on Oats. He's been tunneling CC all game and hasn't done anything else except push his CC read. Oats, you've said that you can't make a case on CC because he hasn't posted enough. I think you should have enough info for a case by now and I'd really like to hear it. If you can't make a case, drop it and give some opinions on other people. Have to go now, will be back before deadline. Also, just saw the M-E post, I'll read it after and post this anyway if it's still relevant. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 27 2012 06:33 yamato77 wrote: Most of this game up to a point my suspicions were solely on you. Honestly, the read I have on you isn't that scummy, but you just haven't given reads on anyone else but me. The fact that you're still on me is 100% tunneling, but I kind of doubt scum would tunnel me so hard day 1 if they knew me being lynched would flip serious heat on them day 2. But you haven't contributed anything else to the thread except asking a bunch of people questions about their own votes/reads, and that isn't a good thing. What is your obsession with reads? Giving reads in some sort of defined list is not even a town trait. Reads can easily be faked and justified in almost any way. It should be pretty obvious how I feel about people just because of my interaction with them. Giving a list where you're like: this guys scum cus here, this guys null cus this, etc. doesn't reveal anything to town because it's usually just the same information in one localized area. Original cases with reason are the defining aspect of a townie or (good) mafia. It's also interesting that you don't point out anyone else for focusing on one person. Helo focuses on Munk, Aqua on Kick, Oats on me. Why aren't you suspicious of them at all? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
/sarcasm There you go Oats, even more people asking you to give some real reads and and a case with any substance behind it. I don't know why people are so upset that I am suspicious of Oats (when I was the only one with a vote on him btw, so it wasn't like a wagon or something) when his posting is so blatantly obscure and he STILL WONT MAKE A REAL CASE OR ANYTHING. It is baffling to me how I am getting people's vote when I am asking Oats to provide something useful, and I put a vote on him because he didn't and still refuses to - how the hell does that earn me a vote. /rant | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Aqua's case against kick was half-decent at the time because kick's reaction to Oats voting you was strange. Town read. Oats is playing bad either way. Not convincing enough for me to vote him. Null read, leaning scum. Pretty sure I've said all this. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Yamato, if this is going to be a mys-lynch can you provide us with your top scumreads? Who is the scummiest to you and who do you think we should be getting rid of? Set us up for a good day 2 if you are town. I will be here a bit longer and will read and comment if I need to so there is still time to convince me. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
If I read you as scum, then Oats is automatically less so because I highly doubt scum would do this to their partner day 1. But the possibility is that he is scum and you are not. Helo hasn't exactly done anything particularly scummy even if Munk is town. He called out a lurker. A safe play, but not alignment indicative. I don't even know why I type this. You aren't going to take anything I say seriously. You have tunneled me SO HARD this game. It's absurd. I'm frustrated because of futility in posting anything in response to you because everyone twists it into "defending myself" when I do things like this. It creates unproductive discussion about my intentions. Obviously I know they are town, but no one else believes me because YOU have managed to throw enough doubt on my alignment to make people see it as scum. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On November 27 2012 07:08 Kickstart wrote: Well I have to get ready to leave for class and once I am gone I won't be here until after the lynch. With that, it looks like the person being lynched right now is Yamato, so I would like to direct a question to him. Yamato, if this is going to be a mys-lynch can you provide us with your top scumreads? Who is the scummiest to you and who do you think we should be getting rid of? Set us up for a good day 2 if you are town. I will be here a bit longer and will read and comment if I need to so there is still time to convince me. I already did this. Read my filter. It really seems like you haven't honestly read my filter the whole game, based on your reads on me. Get to it. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Seriously, I've been twisting and turning on Kick's filter to explain why I get a scummy feel from him. Despite putting all my confirmation bias to work I haven't been able to convince myself, so I won't vote for him today. At the end of the day, I think my feeling comes from his writing coming across a bit formal to me (at least at time) and perhaps a bit detached, but looking at his townie play in Mario it's similar (he may be more aggressive here, but that's pro-town and not what I'm talking about). The criteria I've looked into lately is 1) who is trying not to get noticed and 2) who doesn't seem interested in finding out if his top scum read is scum. Unsuprisingly a lot of people failed one of the criteria, but rather few failed both. One of them is Jacob. Seriously, the amount of sheeping of safe cases he's been doing is quite staggering. I don't really expect this from town Jacob. He's also jumped the Yamato wagon for no good reason and doesn't really seem interested in finding out whether Yamato really is scum. The other one is Yamato. He's also been doing a lot of sheeping and I'm still unsure what's he's top scum read and why. I'm going to read Munk's posts now and reevaluate my opinion on him. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 27 2012 07:10 yamato77 wrote: Aqua has given thoughts on other topics besides kick. If I read you as scum, then Oats is automatically less so because I highly doubt scum would do this to their partner day 1. But the possibility is that he is scum and you are not. Helo hasn't exactly done anything particularly scummy even if Munk is town. He called out a lurker. A safe play, but not alignment indicative. I don't even know why I type this. You aren't going to take anything I say seriously. You have tunneled me SO HARD this game. It's absurd. I'm frustrated because of futility in posting anything in response to you because everyone twists it into "defending myself" when I do things like this. It creates unproductive discussion about my intentions. Obviously I know they are town, but no one else believes me because YOU have managed to throw enough doubt on my alignment to make people see it as scum. ?????????? How do you "Obviously know" people are town ?????????????? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Jacob, equally, has contributed nothing of real value. If he's off playing a video game like he claims (terrible cop-out), then perhaps you guys need to pressure him into making reads that aren't complete fluff like posting a whole paragraph deciphering if I slept the right amount of time in his opinion. His vote on me seems contrived, as does Munk-E's, because neither one cast serious suspicion on me before placing their vote. MUNK-E IS SCUM. He has lurked the whole game for no good reason. His two serious posts are mostly content-less reasons to sheep his vote on a player already under heat. I see absolutely zero town motivation in his actions at this point. If I get lynched, your day 2 should be DESTROYING him for how terrible he is playing. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On November 27 2012 07:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ?????????? How do you "Obviously know" people are town ?????????????? I know my motivations are town. Not people. Read better. | ||
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yamato77
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
##Vote: Kickstart Not sure if scumtrapped, or didn't read yamato's post before commenting. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 27 2012 06:04 Kickstart wrote: Well that is pretty much exactly what I wanted to see. Ball is in yamatos court now. ##unvote ##Vote: Yamato77 WTF, that's what you wanted to see? The only thing Munk just showed is that he's capable of sheeping the most popular case. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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yamato77
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