EPTSo kickstart, who do you think is scum then? after your rant and hopefully your emotions are cooled
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So kickstart, who do you think is scum then? after your rant and hopefully your emotions are cooled | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
What do you think about me? What about Munk-E? Any reads other than Oats? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
##vote: Munk-E @Cheesecake Has you opinion of Yamato changed since he started defending himself? What's your position on Helo now? @Aqua I expressed why I wasn't entirely convinced about your Kick case here. If you're convinced he's scum, can you explain why you don't share those concerns? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
1) His posts on cheese were horrid 2) he was asked to provide some real reasons and analysis and not only couldn't but basically refused to 3) even continued to say "I have a feeling on cheese" only a few pages ago This is not acceptable for me and I honestly see only scum motives in this. Town would be all to willing to back up their reads with logic and sound reasoning, but this guy just blatantly refuses to. Anyways some general reads all around coming up in a minute. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Yamato77 (1):Mr. Cheesecake, Munk-E (2):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey Kickstart (1)Aquanim Not voting (3):Jacob Strangelove,Munk-E,Yamato77 If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched Less than 11 hours remain Remember you have to vote! | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheesecake, I want to make it clear now. I dont think you are scum because of the joke. I think you are scum because the joke answer sounded so forced that it was beaten out of you. among other stuff. Can you quote this post and explain what about it is scummy? I'm curious what in partivular the "joke answer". | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
HeloKnight: I read him as a timid townie so far. Early on he was not posting much and got some flak for making easy points, but afterwards he did step it up and defended himself and then went on to make a case on Munk-E, so I get a slight town read on him (although as with most players in the thread so far, there isn't much to go off of). Aquanim: Despite his case on me I read him as slightly town. Actually the case on me gives me that read because aqau is activiely trying to scum hunt and bringing pressure onto people that weren't being pressured at all before, so this I like as town play and encourage him to continue doing. Mr. Cheesecake: null read. I soft-defended him because I felt like the cases were bad and had no weight, which I think can be agreed upon by everyone. Unfortunatly most of his posting doesn't allow me to have a town read on him because he hasn't done much in the way of sticking his neck out on anything. But on the other hand he has been forced to defend himself for most of Day 1 so I give him a null read thus far. Sonic Death Monkey: SDM is my top town read so far. Again no one is confirmed town at this point but SDM is playing incredibly well and is a benefit to town at this point. He is pressuring people, providing honest and well thought out reads on people and at this point is a huge asset to town. Oatsmaster: I think at this point everyone knows my views on Oats, so I won't expand on them much here. I think he is slightly scummy. Jacob Strangelove: Null-read, here is another player who I don't feel I have enough to work with. He has posted a bit but again I don't feel strongly one way or the other just because there isn't much to go off of here. Munk-E: There isnt much to be said that is new. Two posts - both not giving us much and one is just jumping on Oats with points that have been made. I would say LURKER but if i have to choose between town and scum I would say slight scum read, simply because I feel a town player would want to be more active while a scum player would do as he has - try to hide and maybe jump on some cases if he sees an opportunity. Kickstart: I read myself as town ! No but seriously, If YOU want a read on me just read my posts in context, I feel like I have been trying to push sound reasoning and logic throughout the game and been nothing but honest about my reads on people. Yamato77: Too many one liners for my taste, he did provide one large general read post (much like this one) but other then that has not tried to scum hunt at all - just nothing. I have to give yamato a slight-scum read at this point because he has been around, he has posted enough, but it has mostly been one-liners with no substance. Again I feel like a town player would want to make real, substantial posts instead of just coming in with one liners on everything. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
If he posts anything useful at all in the few hours I am sleeping after this post, I will change it, because I really don't like lynching people just because they lurk. However, right now, I have to place a vote just in case I oversleep drastically and he really is the best candidate. CC and kick still on my scumdar. Jacob, Helo, and Oats are not far from it, either. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Yamato77 (1):Mr. Cheesecake, Munk-E (3):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77 Kickstart (1)Aquanim Not voting (2):Jacob Strangelove,Munk-E, If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched 10 hours remain Remember you have to vote! | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:38 Kickstart wrote: Aquanim: Despite his case on me I read him as slightly town. Actually the case on me gives me that read because aqau is activiely trying to scum hunt and bringing pressure onto people that weren't being pressured at all before, so this I like as town play and encourage him to continue doing. Mr. Cheesecake: null read. I soft-defended him because I felt like the cases were bad and had no weight, which I think can be agreed upon by everyone. Unfortunatly most of his posting doesn't allow me to have a town read on him because he hasn't done much in the way of sticking his neck out on anything. But on the other hand he has been forced to defend himself for most of Day 1 so I give him a null read thus far. In the middle of something but I saw this post. You soft defended him? You appeared to go on a rampage. Also why is that did you just decide to completely change your meta? Something that happened in my scum qt last game was we defined roles. To me this looks like you said I am going to act like this and kinda stuck to it. Maybe you just want to improve your play but just let me know why such a difference. Also you were being pressured before aquanim came at you ^^ Admittedly he came at you in a far more logical and organized way. Also votes are slowly being put on munkey. While there is no inherent problem with this there is also going to be no opposition to this town has no reason to not vote him and with no opposition mafa don't either. Just food for thought... (ie: mafa probably don't mind us voting for munkey) Little early to tell though. and completely wifom. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:16 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Voting on Munk-E feels like such a cop out. Like admitting I can't find scum with the information given. Munk-E, now is the time to show up. Ninja'd it is a cop out and one mafia don't mind | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:00 Kickstart wrote: It seems like I am going to have to consolidate my vote eventually (I won't actually be here AT lynch time because I have class, have to leave a few hours before time) because it seems no one is convinced that Oats is scummy. I will probably have to vote for Munk-E based on the lurker factor and that at least other people have posted, while Munk-E just posts twice, both of which have little town motive behind them. My main issue is I view most lurker lynches as a coin-flip, but if Munk-E doesn't post anything in the next 6ish hours (amount of time I have till need to get ready and go to class) then it will kind of be forced on me to vote for him. A Oats lynch probably isn't going to happen today, but who would be your #2 read if you wouldn't have to take consolidation into account (ie pick whoever you want for a lynch)? Just because Oats won't be lynched doesn't mean Munk-E has to be the alternative. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
As for my "meta change" (I really hate this in games against players who have had 2 or less games so far.......) but my first game I was new, really didn't know what I was doing, and was with a TON of TLs bigger mafia personalities. This game I am trying to be more active and aggressive in my reads because I feel that more discussion is spurred this way and more is revealed than playing passively and timid. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
My brain tells me Yamato is scummy, but my feel is that he's not. My feel is that Kick is scummy, but my brain tells me he's not. If Munk-E does shows up he might be able to convince me otherwise though and might give an indication that he'll be able to make himself useful later. If he doesn't show up, he's most likely getting modkilled anyway. In either case I', gonna have to prepare a second alternative. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Munk-E isn't voting. If he doesn't show up to vote, will he be mod-killed or replaced? Hapa still has class i think for a while so don't take this as super official but take it somewhat official. Not voting would be considered a modkill. from reading the op attempts will be made to replace him if that in fact happens. | ||
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