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On July 19 2012 07:58 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 07:29 s1ege wrote:On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote:
The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events.
Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either. Scarlett won WCS Canada and she is one of the most good looking women I have seen in my life. She should cast because she obviously has the knowledge to do so and she would be helping out the community. She is such a great player and to see her cast would be delightful because she can take down great players like HuK or Demuslim. 1. Isn't scarlett a guy going through a procedure or something? 2. whether she/he is or isn't, she is not attractive (varies from person to person) User was warned for this post
Scarlett is the most attractive looking SC2 woman I have ever seen ever on the internet. She has amazing SC2 skills as well as being aesthetically pleasing to anyone's eyes. I think she would benefit from being a host or caster for a tournament if she gets eliminated. She would be a hell of a lot better than Anna Prosser or CSN_Rachel or (lol) the blonde from NASL 3 in terms of looks and knowledge.
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On July 19 2012 08:26 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:22 Blossom wrote:On July 19 2012 08:10 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 Blossom wrote:On July 18 2012 07:58 Vildhjerta wrote:
First of all, what you look for in any kind of host is of course things like showmanship and charisma, but since this is a specific event, also the knowledge and love of Starcraft II is essential for a host not to make a fool out of oneself. There are several female profiles in the StarCraft community who possess the acquired knowledge and are passionate about the game, but Lauren Elise is, according to me, not one of them.
I've not watched a Starcraft tournament with female hosts in which they have not made a fool of themselves. Showmanship and charisma are not the most fundamental characteristics of a host, it's a host's passion and dedication for what they do which makes them stand out. None of the female hosts have much idea of the game apart from a couple of gamers names (or so it seems). I'd much rather Idra (who is renowned for his showmanship and charisma- /sarcasm) than any of the current female hosts- not because they're women, or they're apparently attractive, but because they don't seem to know what's going on. Using good looking women as hosts to market products, etc, to the male dominated e-sports community is a fantastic idea, but the quality of the tournament should come first. At the moment, the community has shown no promising female hosts, so were making do with what we've got, which, as a spectator, is ruining a lot of tournaments. Especially post-match player interviews. ...and I swear to god, monitors are coming fitted with beer goggles these days. anna, trump's gf (sorry, i forgot her name) and megumi.... i imagine they know more about the scene than you. They probably do know more about the scene, but I don't watch tournaments to hear girls gossip. I want to see the games, hear the hosts talk about the tactics, strategy. Not just reiterate what they could remember Day9 or MrBitter saying during a cast and questioning them on that. you seem pretty uninformed about who they are. here at least is trump's gf's involvement: http://cyber-sports.net/taxonomy/term/62after a lengthy search, i still--for the life of me--cant find her name. =(
Rachel from CyberSports 
Weirdly enough, her and Anna were the two in the forefront of my mine when I wrote. It may be that they don't have the chance to talk about the games. Although, on first glance all the videos seem community motivated. Nothing stategy, etc. But i'll have a deeper look!
Thanks for the link! 
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On July 19 2012 08:35 Blossom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:26 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 19 2012 08:22 Blossom wrote:On July 19 2012 08:10 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 Blossom wrote:On July 18 2012 07:58 Vildhjerta wrote:
First of all, what you look for in any kind of host is of course things like showmanship and charisma, but since this is a specific event, also the knowledge and love of Starcraft II is essential for a host not to make a fool out of oneself. There are several female profiles in the StarCraft community who possess the acquired knowledge and are passionate about the game, but Lauren Elise is, according to me, not one of them.
I've not watched a Starcraft tournament with female hosts in which they have not made a fool of themselves. Showmanship and charisma are not the most fundamental characteristics of a host, it's a host's passion and dedication for what they do which makes them stand out. None of the female hosts have much idea of the game apart from a couple of gamers names (or so it seems). I'd much rather Idra (who is renowned for his showmanship and charisma- /sarcasm) than any of the current female hosts- not because they're women, or they're apparently attractive, but because they don't seem to know what's going on. Using good looking women as hosts to market products, etc, to the male dominated e-sports community is a fantastic idea, but the quality of the tournament should come first. At the moment, the community has shown no promising female hosts, so were making do with what we've got, which, as a spectator, is ruining a lot of tournaments. Especially post-match player interviews. ...and I swear to god, monitors are coming fitted with beer goggles these days. anna, trump's gf (sorry, i forgot her name) and megumi.... i imagine they know more about the scene than you. They probably do know more about the scene, but I don't watch tournaments to hear girls gossip. I want to see the games, hear the hosts talk about the tactics, strategy. Not just reiterate what they could remember Day9 or MrBitter saying during a cast and questioning them on that. you seem pretty uninformed about who they are. here at least is trump's gf's involvement: http://cyber-sports.net/taxonomy/term/62after a lengthy search, i still--for the life of me--cant find her name. =( Rachel from CyberSports Weirdly enough, her and Anna were the two in the forefront of my mine when I wrote. It may be that they don't have the chance to talk about the games. Although, on first glance all the videos seem community motivated. Nothing stategy, etc. But i'll have a deeper look! Thanks for the link!
thanks. that was bothering me for awhile. could not remember her name. lol. rachel seltzer.
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On July 19 2012 07:20 Prothoughts24 wrote:
Clearly written by a liberal feminist with poor looks. I understand how being uneducated and ugly must suck but try to understand that men enjoy looking at attractive woman, not ugly ones. There is without a doubt a place for the women you are bashing in SC2 and a place for them in all sports in general. At the same time, a woman who knows as much about the game and casting as the current male casters, is welcomed. Just remember for next time, your opinions are only stupid when you say them out loud, in your head you can always be right!
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Lawls, just read through this thread and this is by far the best post in here. NAILED it bro, think that's a thread GG right there.
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On July 19 2012 08:36 SKTerran.117 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:33 s1ege wrote:On July 19 2012 07:58 Sc2Null wrote:On July 19 2012 07:29 s1ege wrote:On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote:
The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events.
Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either. Scarlett won WCS Canada and she is one of the most good looking women I have seen in my life. She should cast because she obviously has the knowledge to do so and she would be helping out the community. She is such a great player and to see her cast would be delightful because she can take down great players like HuK or Demuslim. 1. Isn't scarlett a guy going through a procedure or something? 2. whether she/he is or isn't, she is not attractive (varies from person to person) User was warned for this post Scarlett is the most attractive looking SC2 woman I have ever seen ever on the internet. She has amazing SC2 skills as well as being aesthetically pleasing to anyone's eyes. I think she would benefit from being a host or caster for a tournament if she gets eliminated. She would be a hell of a lot better than Anna Prosser or CSN_Rachel or (lol) the blonde from NASL 3 in terms of looks and knowledge. if you think scarlett looks better than rachel you need to get your eyes checked
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, although I would agree with you. But not to the extent to suggest that I'd rather her than anybody else.
MLG should hire out Megan Fox and watch their ratings rocket- although i'm not suggesting she'd make a good host.
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On July 19 2012 08:39 Blossom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:36 SKTerran.117 wrote:On July 19 2012 08:33 s1ege wrote:On July 19 2012 07:58 Sc2Null wrote:On July 19 2012 07:29 s1ege wrote:On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote:
The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events.
Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either. Scarlett won WCS Canada and she is one of the most good looking women I have seen in my life. She should cast because she obviously has the knowledge to do so and she would be helping out the community. She is such a great player and to see her cast would be delightful because she can take down great players like HuK or Demuslim. 1. Isn't scarlett a guy going through a procedure or something? 2. whether she/he is or isn't, she is not attractive (varies from person to person) User was warned for this post Scarlett is the most attractive looking SC2 woman I have ever seen ever on the internet. She has amazing SC2 skills as well as being aesthetically pleasing to anyone's eyes. I think she would benefit from being a host or caster for a tournament if she gets eliminated. She would be a hell of a lot better than Anna Prosser or CSN_Rachel or (lol) the blonde from NASL 3 in terms of looks and knowledge. if you think scarlett looks better than rachel you need to get your eyes checked Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, although I would agree with you. But not to the extent to suggest that I'd rather her than anybody else. MLG should hire out Megan Fox and watch their ratings rocket- although i'm not suggesting she'd make a good host.
You mean plummet ... Way to pick a one hit wonder that got a few boys to blow there load over the car scene in transformers, her acting is a pretty good indication of her actual beauty imo. Out of all the women on earth you chose to use in a manner of sexual tone, you choose her? Scarlett Johansson, Jessica Biel, etc...
But I do agree with beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I suppose if she's your pick go for it.
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I don't see a problem with an attractive female host. Any good host will brief and do some research on what they are hosting. I'm more concern with the casting, and at NASL I thought Soe did a beautiful job. I was surprised she kept up with day9 because I'm so used to bad female casters I'm a female and I'm not lesbian or bi, but I like pretty people regardless of gender. It's only when they're inadequacy of their job am I upset. But it's not like Lauren was casting or put in a position to discuss Starcraft. She was there to assist and support whoever was mainly hosting. Do you really need a Starcraft "Pro" to throw free giveaways? Will using an average person make people watch less NASL? No, people watch starcraft because they love it, and pretty girls are just a bonus. Marketing is a hard thing to do, and it's just another way for the media to hype up shit and make more money, and we all want money. You can't hate a smart marketing plan because it's working. It's like commercials, just ignore them or acknowledge the smart plan.
Side thought: The best way to promote equality for gaming i guess... is to be ignorant of difference. Let's just say,starcraft is a gender neutral community. You don't know if you're playing a female or male online, it's gender neutral. So what if you assume every person you play is a male? That's only a conditioned instinct and no big deal. I believe gaming should start directing to, not grouping girls together and promoting them, but grouping males and females together and not giving a shit on gender.
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i agree 100% with op. i did not appreciate the "eye candy" at ipl. i want to watch starcraft, everything else is beside the point, and if the "everything else" involves objectification of women, well, you guys can keep that part. ill just watch the starcraft.
edited to say, i love when a knowledgeable woman like seltzer or soe does commentary, interviews, etc - there are not enough women taking those jobs. but then you get the awkward and unprofessional "boobs and legs" people that couldnt interview a rock and have never had a lick of media training who somehow end up landing these jobs and give the whole scene a bad name. its just dumb.
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It's very unfortunate threads like these become a big deal, it's like when you goto a football game and you have cheer leaders, they are cool. But no... They are not cool to Vildhjerta, it sends the wrong message blah blah blah.
Everything has to be politically correct on the interwebs or you get people like this Vildhjerta belittling anything that isn't the utopia of gender relations. It's shocking... NASL now look bad because he has forced us to think really hard about something that generally we just enjoy.
We watch SC2 games to be entertained! It doesn't always have to be about the ultimate analysis or whatever. A lot of people watch SC2 half drunk at BarCraft , so what gives, Why so serious?
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The problem largely comes down to consistency. How many women have been introduced at one event or tournament, displayed little to a moderate level of SC2 knowledge (moderate being, on par with a lot of lesser male casters, solid gold league type stuff but not to the point where they should be PROFESSIONALLY casting) and then they disappear rarely to be seen again?
I think it creates a lot of animosity because the situation highly implies that they're not there on merit or through visible work within the community, but as someone with lucky connections who is pushed into the spotlight due to their gender. Really it's an unfair situation for both sides, for the women, they haven't been given an opportunity to build a rapport with the community or hone their casting skills before being prematurely displayed as a beacon for their gender in esports. Then they're torn apart by the community for their lack of knowledge and awkward casting, probably to the point of not returning. You can't blame someone for accepting a job but you do have to question the actions of the people who put them in that position, one that seemingly invites failure and criticism so easily. On the other side we viewers get nervous awkward interviews and/or obvious casting with little to no real analytical insight, is it any wonder we're a bit annoyed.
We rage about shitty male casters as well but almost all of them are firmly entrenched in the esports industry, often well known youtube personalities or also casting many many tournaments in a year. Most of these girls don't have that traction, the fact that they appear seeming from nowhere into these highly visible hosting positions seems to lend creedence to the myth that they represent a gender and not Starcraft 2 itself. This combined with the fact that you have women like Lauren hired simply as "eye candy", it creates an odd dichotomy and confusion within the community, how are you supposed to respect female casters as a meritorious hire when they host alongside playboy bunnies? You can see the difference in someone like Setlzer who has been able to assert herself as strong interviewer/host now over several events and has fulfilled a niche on the basis of her strong suits. It took time but I think Seltzer was largely able to disprove the stigma women first face entering the esports industry, we need more passionate hard-working women to overcome this bullshit and I think this undercurrent of misogyny can be finally put to rest.
I think simply put, everyone wants to see more girls involved in esports, but the current way tournaments have been trying to display a greater female influence feels awkward and pandering, if anything it hurts and puts girls back further because it confirms a stereotype that we all want to avoid.
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Loved her, loved looking at her nudie pics. If Hugh Hefner wants to send more playboy models for sc2 events, groovy baby.
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Whether you like it or not, incorporating attractive female talents will increase views and help promote esports. Are you NOT going to watch an event because it has a beautiful female co-host? Probably not. You'll watch anyways. Are some gamers going to tune in simply because there is a beautiful female in association with games, probably. It's simple business....At the end of the day women and men are not the same (should be concidered equal, but not the same) and not everything in life is fair. Everyone likes to see someone who is attractive (even if their definitions of attractive are not the same) over someone who is not attractive. Deal with it and stop raising social issues that will never change and should never change.
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On July 19 2012 10:32 kUNImiTsu wrote:
Whether you like it or not, incorporating attractive female talents will increase views and help promote esports. Are you NOT going to watch an event because it has a beautiful female co-host? Probably not. You'll watch anyways. Are some gamers going to tune in simply because there is a beautiful female in association with games, probably. It's simple business....At the end of the day women and men are not the same (should be concidered equal, but not the same) and not everything in life is fair. Everyone likes to see someone who is attractive (even if their definitions of attractive are not the same) over someone who is not attractive. Deal with it and stop raising social issues that will never change and should never change.
This is a good point. The hard-core fans will alwways show up. To get the casual fan you have to inhance the live experience beyond just the game play that casual fans aren't enamored with.
Whether or not having beautiful women is the best way to attract casual fans and increase the fan base, I'm not sure, but all the other sports do it so why not try it.
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I wouldn't be opposed to cheerleaders for teams, hot cheerleaders, smoking hot playboy model cheerleaders....yeah
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I cant believe you whiteknights are still droning on about this shit.
Have some self respect ffs.
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Personally I don't see a problem with hiring an attractive female host, it gets more attention and something people on TL love to talk about: Getting E-SPORTS into mainstream media, we just ave to make sure that they (assuming they don't have the knowledge about SCII) don't cast and we'll be just fine .
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the awkward moment when you misread females with shemales.
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vote with your eyes no with a response to a thread, the people who make decisions to do with dress code and hiring can see the relavent date from viewers, they will get it right eventually.
this fear of the scene looking 'immature' or something over our treatment of women is so stupid. sports around the world vary from treating them 'normally' to treating them like bags of meat, its this neurotic self analysis by random people that makes the scene look immature, not our 'use' of women.
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How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points.
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