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I'm looking at Werewolves and Jackal was a power role there about to be lynched.
He did not claim his role at all even when right before lynch to save himself.
He was highly, highly active leading up to his lynch, impossibly aggressive and pushing hard to make sure Town knew what he thought and who to lynch after he died. Look at his activity:
On August 18 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:05 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 07:37 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 04:09 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:57 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:48 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote:I can't when it's from my sent folder. Original Message From Nisani201:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying. This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear. Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me. That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear). It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro. Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me. What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways. DropBear returned Townie. On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote:
Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus. There are no vigilantes. Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum.
On August 18 2011 08:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Sevryn is scum too. He was fishing for what kind of answer I wanted from Nisani.
To: Sevryn [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: your question of nisan
Date: 8/18/11 07:45
We'll see how he answers.
Original Message From Sevryn:
if he doesn't respond regular forumer hes scum.
On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
On August 20 2011 00:15 Jackal58 wrote:
So who you guys gonna lynch after I flip town? Who ever Nisani tells you to?
And I have no idea if the dead medic thinks I'm scum or not. We have scum telling us what the dead guy said.
Same sort of thing in LOTR Mafia where he went ballistic when people were trying to lynch him.
His behavior this game is more like how he acted in Pick Their Power 2 (as scum) when pressured for lynch, posted a few things, tried to point the lynch at someone else but generally just disappeared and laid low (like now).
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Flip flopping is not a scum tell by itself. It's a scum tell when you can see if they are flip flopping based on Town sentiment and how they want to be viewed, or if they think they can push a Mafia agenda but then quickly switch off it when pressured for it.
BM did it one post between who he wants to lynch. No Town sentiment in between, no pressure. Day 1 especially is a crapshoot; if I didn't like the Jackal lynch so much better than any other ones I would likely be flip flopping between targets as well.
His posts are bad and his play is bad so far but nothing in it screams scum.
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I actually wouldn't mind a VE lynch either right now.
In Responsibility Mafia GMarshal was about to be lynched and claimed Suicidal Vig, we left him alive for the same reasons Jackal's claim is being considered (can confirm himself). But VE called bullshit all over it, refused to believe it, then went and shot GMarshal anyway in the night.
This game he's somehow convinced everyone lynching Jackal is scum and makes stupid, worthless posts trying to paint people voting for Jackal as scum.
VE is hard to read though as Town, my only other lasting impression of him as Town was when our whole Mafia team thought VE was the Traitor because his play was so absurdly ridiculous and derpy, turned out he was Town.
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There's only a few hours to deadline, don't let a no lynch happen. Nothing of great substance has been said or made about anyone else, put the lynch on Jackal today. Don't let a stupid last minute voteswitch (or no lynch) happen please.
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Caught up. And I'm gonna go with Jackal vote as I think his case strong and I want a lynch for day 1.
Also more importantly don't forget about Jitsu - that guy is sketchy as well
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On March 13 2012 07:37 Curu wrote:
I actually wouldn't mind a VE lynch either right now.
On March 13 2012 07:42 Curu wrote:
There's only a few hours to deadline, don't let a no lynch happen. Nothing of great substance has been said or made about anyone else, put the lynch on Jackal today. Don't let a stupid last minute voteswitch (or no lynch) happen please.
HURRRRRRR
Go ahead and make contradictory statements within minutes of each other. You just advocated a mass voteswitch (me) and virtually in the same breath decry a mass voteswitch. You're so scum it's not even funny. The fact that you're on Jackal has nothing to do with it - what I have a problem with is how you are posting. Personally. I don't like your posts, not your vote. I don't like your vote either, but that has nothing to do with my suspicion of you Curu.
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The jubjubs are gonna lynch Jackal because his meta is off and he claimed blue
solid.
Vig's hit Jitsu and Curu tonight. If Jackal doesn't die he's probably shooting Curu at this rate so of course he's desperate to get him lynched. He contradicts his own logic by saying he wouldn't mind lynching VE (despite voteswitching being terrible apparently)
omgus and not even following through with it lol
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On March 13 2012 07:15 Curu wrote:I'm looking at Werewolves and Jackal was a power role there about to be lynched. He did not claim his role at all even when right before lynch to save himself. He was highly, highly active leading up to his lynch, impossibly aggressive and pushing hard to make sure Town knew what he thought and who to lynch after he died. Look at his activity: Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:05 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 07:37 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 04:09 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:57 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:48 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote:I can't when it's from my sent folder. Original Message From Nisani201:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying. This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear. Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me. That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear). It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro. Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me. What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways. DropBear returned Townie. On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote:
Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus. There are no vigilantes. Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum. Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Sevryn is scum too. He was fishing for what kind of answer I wanted from Nisani.
To: Sevryn [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: your question of nisan
Date: 8/18/11 07:45
We'll see how he answers.
Original Message From Sevryn:
if he doesn't respond regular forumer hes scum. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa. Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 00:15 Jackal58 wrote:
So who you guys gonna lynch after I flip town? Who ever Nisani tells you to?
And I have no idea if the dead medic thinks I'm scum or not. We have scum telling us what the dead guy said. Same sort of thing in LOTR Mafia where he went ballistic when people were trying to lynch him. His behavior this game is more like how he acted in Pick Their Power 2 (as scum) when pressured for lynch, posted a few things, tried to point the lynch at someone else but generally just disappeared and laid low (like now).
And you're the jub jub that lead my lynch.
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I did not advocate a mass voteswitch. I said I don't like you because you post like a retard and I wouldn't mind you dead, but I would still much prefer Jackal.
I like that you still haven't addressed any of the content in any of my posts instead still playing on wording.
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lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.
You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.
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On March 13 2012 06:51 Curu wrote:
I am looking at it this way:
If Jackal is Town and we leave him alive he basically has to shoot. And the probability is very high that he hits a Townie. So in this case we have dead Town Jackal, dead Town someone else, and a dead lynch target. No one to me looks obvious scum enough to warrant switching the lynch like this.
If Jackal is Town and we lynch him then we've lynched a Townie day 1. We end up with a net of dead Town Jackal and lose a substitute dead lynch target.
If Jackal is scum then yay.
I don't feel like there is another candidate I want to lynch bad enough to take the tradeoff of high probability 2 Townie deaths vs low probability scum hit in the event that Jackal is Town.
Yeah you guys go on about "omg we killed a blue" but look at what the blue does. IMO in this scenario mislynching a blue suicidal Vig is better for Town than mislynching a Vanilla Townie.
Look at it this way - I'm not shooting anybody unless I know they are scum.
I've got a pretty fair track record of killing scum when I have kp. I also have a pretty good track record of soaking up scum kp early.
Ya I also like to kill people that piss me off.
I got my wish. I'm betting prpz didn't get bullet proof.
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On March 13 2012 07:54 Curu wrote:
lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.
You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.
^^^^^^^^^^
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On March 13 2012 07:54 Curu wrote:
lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.
You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.
I love day 1 meta. And sorry to burst your bubble but I was the one that pushed for Palmar and got him hung as scum. Not you.
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Come on Jubjubs. COME ON. Get off Jackal and onto Caller. No-lynching is better than lynching town 100% of the time. I don't care what scum would have you believe. KILL THE SCUM! VOTE CALLER!
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You weren't even in the game I was talking about.
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It was better than Caller's bullshit case but that's literally all you have besides dumb setup speculation. Meta has never been enough for me to vote for somebody and that's never case. If I thought the meta case was legit I would have voted for Jackal.
You're the one spearheading his lynch. You're the only person to provide any reason to put suspicion on Jackal but not nearly enough to push this bandwagon as hard as you have. You have no reason to believe Jackal is lying about his claim besides "hurrrr this is a normal game"
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Day 1 meta is legit yo. I've based two lynches off day 1 meta and both have hit scum.
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And look at your current vote DocH. It's on Jitsu.
Jitsu is coming under heat because he believes, with flimsy reasoning, that we are scum for posting cases on Jackal around the same time and mispost prplhz made.
But if I were really scum, wouldn't that make Jitsu look pretty damn Town? But you still want to kill him and you want Vigis to hit both of us?
You want to see a real contradiction? That right there.
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Go ahead and lynch me. Don't really care at this point. I gotta go out for the night and won't be back.
And yes Curu I was in that game. I died night one.
And I assumed wrongly that people would stop listening to you after you sold me out to the scum team in Werewolves and got me lynched. As a townie.
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It's inconclusive. I have no reason to believe you can't be teammates just because you take opposing viewpoints particularly when the bandwagon is so heavily swung in one direction there's no real danger there. Jitsu singled out prplhz and voted for him here but never voted in the actual voting thread which makes me think it's bullshit. He hasn't pushed it since then despite claiming that he still believes in it.
I try to just look at people as individuals, I tend to second guess myself a lot when I start to think of teams and until somebody actually flips it's difficult for me. It caused a lot of problems for me in Arkham City particularly.
You're both acting scummy in my eyes so what am I supposed to think?
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