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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 21 2012 20:49 GMT
#361
What do you mean what?
Who in hell gets nearly an entire scum team 20 hours in when there are several players who have postscounts <4 and nearly all of the discussion has been policy/flaming?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 21 2012 20:51 GMT
#362
On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote:
If the rest of the game is as stupid as the first 3 post this is going to get ugly...

The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion.



You imply you have something to add to the discussion and criticize what was happening (opening votes). You then say nothing about it and then criticize again while offering nothing:

On February 21 2012 07:15 Dirkzor wrote:
This was not called Storm mafia without reason...

What a shit storm.

While I agree with VE that spamming not particularly pro town, I think its far to early to vote on anyone for that reason. Also because its anti town does not mean its scum... And I would much rather kill scum then anti town players.


While being anti-town does not mean a person is scum, scum, by definition, play anti-town since they are pushing their own agenda. But whatever, that's semantics. Fast forward 12 hours later and you still say nothing and take no real sides. You say my change from tyrran to redFF is flip floppy but only call redFF's scummy unvote of tyrran when placed under pressure as only "weird". You also call Kita's Tyrran-redFF switch weird when he did the exact thing I did (opening vote/pressure vote into real vote). That's some double standard yo.

On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.

Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.

I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy...


You then talk about how you have nothing to add, an attitude that is very different from the one you had in your first few posts.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 21 2012 20:52 GMT
#363
I can feasibly get down on a BC lynch. Just sayin.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 21 2012 20:53 GMT
#364
EDIT:

And then in your last two posts,you then talk about how you have nothing to add, an attitude that is very different from the one you had in your first few posts.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 21 2012 20:55 GMT
#365
VOTE DIRKZOR THEN CHOWSER
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 20:56 GMT
#366
I want to continue on Toad's case on Chaoser. Because Chaoser is lying!

Read the whole case and chaoser defence here. Below is the end of that post.
On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF?


Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified.



So it was AFTER you realized you had misread that you changed your vote? Not quite.

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On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE

The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.


And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran.

Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.


That is a big problem. Care to respond VE?


No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.

I'm voting for red.


VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying:

Show nested quote +
Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified.


That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran.

Show nested quote +
He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.


I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch).

That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation.

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On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.


lol, this is scummy as fuck.

##vote: redFF


In that post you are still arguing with VE/DrH about whether or not VE was being a hypocrite or not.
Also in that post you vote for RedFF.

Next post:
On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote:
Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good.


You seems to have changed your mind about RedFF here.

Next:
On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote:
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On February 21 2012 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why are you lumping up DocH's posts with mine? I didn't criticize red for his vote on Tyrran at all. Come on chaoser...


Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol

This is were you realize something is wrong and you quoted the wrong dude.

Some few post later:
On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:
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On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.

chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?

kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?

Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.


yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM).

Now that the mixup have been cleared VE is suddenly a player doing good.

While I admit that its not a huge issue I don't understand why you would lie about it? Why not just "I thought VE was being a hypocrite but then RedFF's posting turned to shit so I voted him. Later i realized I was wrong and VE was right."


"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 21 2012 21:01 GMT
#367
Guys - enough bickering.

Can we see a lynch-list from everyone? Mine's trash and I'm going back through the thread now - but I'd like to see a list of dudes you guys are willing to lynch to see if we can make something happen.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 21:01 GMT
#368
@Chaoser now you're just argueing semantics...

I called what Kita did double sided. I called what you did flip floppy. Basicly the same thing.

And how can you compare my posts that was done 5-15 in into the game with someone made 12 hours later?

You say that I don't take side. That is correct because I found both sides stupid and none of them particularly more scummy then then other.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 21 2012 21:09 GMT
#369
On February 22 2012 06:01 Dirkzor wrote:
@Chaoser now you're just argueing semantics...

I called what Kita did double sided. I called what you did flip floppy. Basicly the same thing.

And how can you compare my posts that was done 5-15 in into the game with someone made 12 hours later?

You say that I don't take side. That is correct because I found both sides stupid and none of them particularly more scummy then then other.


bullshit, those are not the same things, especially in the way you worded and structured that post. You didn't say, both kita and chaoser are doing something

Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.


This is completely different from this:

I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy..


You see no "scumminess" but then add in the throwaway line about me being flip floppy? That's noncommittal 101 right there.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 21 2012 21:12 GMT
#370
On February 22 2012 05:56 Dirkzor wrote:
I want to continue on Toad's case on Chaoser. Because Chaoser is lying!

Read the whole case and chaoser defence here. Below is the end of that post.
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote:
Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF?


Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified.



So it was AFTER you realized you had misread that you changed your vote? Not quite.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE

The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.


And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran.

Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.


That is a big problem. Care to respond VE?


No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.

I'm voting for red.


VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying:

Show nested quote +
Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified.


That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran.

Show nested quote +
He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.


I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch).

That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation.

Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.


lol, this is scummy as fuck.

##vote: redFF


In that post you are still arguing with VE/DrH about whether or not VE was being a hypocrite or not.
Also in that post you vote for RedFF.

Next post:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote:
Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good.


You seems to have changed your mind about RedFF here.

Next:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote:
On February 21 2012 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why are you lumping up DocH's posts with mine? I didn't criticize red for his vote on Tyrran at all. Come on chaoser...


Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol

This is were you realize something is wrong and you quoted the wrong dude.

Some few post later:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:
On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.

chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?

kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?

Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.


yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM).

Now that the mixup have been cleared VE is suddenly a player doing good.

While I admit that its not a huge issue I don't understand why you would lie about it? Why not just "I thought VE was being a hypocrite but then RedFF's posting turned to shit so I voted him. Later i realized I was wrong and VE was right."


You're right. I misremembered what happened. My bad.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 21:13 GMT
#371
I did not say I did not see any scummyness at you. I said that the point about you being scum for calling VE town wasn't scummy in itself. But other then that I found your play flip floppy... And yes I was noncommital. I already agreed to that. But don't tell me that my 1½ line on you painted you as more red then my 3 lines on kita...

I'm getting tired of argueing useless stuff with you chaoser.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 21 2012 21:14 GMT
#372
On February 22 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys - enough bickering.

Can we see a lynch-list from everyone? Mine's trash and I'm going back through the thread now - but I'd like to see a list of dudes you guys are willing to lynch to see if we can make something happen.

RoL
redFF

Both subject to change.
Life can only kill you once.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 21:18 GMT
#373
RoL seems fine to lynch but a bit to easy. He was AFK a lot in Purgatory aswell where he was Mafia but he did say post game that it was legitimatly busy with whatever.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
February 21 2012 21:19 GMT
#374
On February 21 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 09:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE stfu you suck

Everyone else sucks marginally less ATM. Mostly chaoser is doing the least sucking.

Blazinghand learn to play

I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl. Till then I suggest you all brush up on Ver's guide since the last page has made my eyes bleed.


Ho boy, this is good play here. GOOD play. Let me count the ways.

1) Throwing out random insults. While I can appreciate the occasional well-deserved jibe, just saying someone "sucks" is...not productive.

2) Buddying up to chaoser. Apparently I suck - but I don't know why and Bugs' post does nothing to explain it. But chaoser is the only one NOT sucking - let's explore that. chaoser was the first one to jump on-board redFF's PL of Tyrran, and besides red himself has been the first one to jump off it as well. Furthermore, chaoser has spent a fair amount of time defending redFF against my accusations by agreeing with him that I am being 'hypocritical'....except, as it turns out this was based on faulty information that stems from APPARENTLY misreading the thread (thinking I said something DocH actually said). So as it turns out, chaoser is doing MORE sucking than several others in-thread already.

3) "I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl." - WBG I guess this means he wasn't programming before, but is now? So where has he been during all this time? Why not stop by and tell me what a dick I am BEFORE I called him out for not being in-thread yet? Why not come in and defend redFF if my case was so bad last page? Your guess is obviously as good as mine, but I suspect his has something to do with sharing an alignment with a certain someone the last page has been discussing.

4) "...since the last page has made my eyes bleed." - WBG So....I guess he thinks redFF is town or something? Or he just thinks my argument is shit? Or he thinks the last page is some kind of stigmata? I have no idea. He's just tossing doubt around as if he's some kind of authority. Guess what guys - THIS IS HIS FIRST POST. HE HASN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO CALL ANYONE BAD YET IN THIS GAME BECAUSE HE HASN'T DONE SHIT HIMSELF.

5) (and most importantly)

......NO U

101 ways to miss the point by VisceraEyes.

On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.

chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?

kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?

Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.

Remember this post? He was jesting at what you said lol about him making fun of you. Way to get pious over something you caused.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2012 21:20 GMT
#375
there he is \o/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2012 21:22 GMT
#376
risk.nuke needs to get in here as well (he said he's afk for a couple of hours in his last post), same for prplhz and BC.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 21 2012 21:23 GMT
#377
are you reading the rest of the thread rol?

I won't be on much tomorrow so if i'm still leading in votes I'll claim before I go to bed tonight.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 21 2012 21:23 GMT
#378
SMITESMITSMITESMITESMITESMITESMITE, I needed to get that out of my system.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
February 21 2012 21:26 GMT
#379
On February 22 2012 06:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys - enough bickering.

Can we see a lynch-list from everyone? Mine's trash and I'm going back through the thread now - but I'd like to see a list of dudes you guys are willing to lynch to see if we can make something happen.

RoL
redFF

Both subject to change.


RoL imo. redFF may be worthless but at least he's posting
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
February 21 2012 21:28 GMT
#380
On February 22 2012 06:18 Dirkzor wrote:
RoL seems fine to lynch but a bit to easy. He was AFK a lot in Purgatory aswell where he was Mafia but he did say post game that it was legitimatly busy with whatever.

The game isn't even 20 hours in yet. I was busy last night. I should be able to put on a better show this game though. I'm catching up a bit, reading on page 13 right now. I dunno what the consensus is but from what I read so far RedFF seemed to be looking for an easy way to force a bad lynch and was generally acting scummy. After I catch up I will reread filters though.
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