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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 19 2011 23:19 GMT
#361
Okay, so to calm my nerves, I thought I'd take a look at someone I haven't really been looking at before. A relative inactive compared to some, but definately a player. NARD. The following is a listing of his posts up until the Day 1 vote, and my thoughts.

On May 16 2011 18:49 nard wrote:
hio everyone, obligatory 1st post here.

@current discussion:

Mataza seems to be more experienced than the average newcomers here so i don't suspect him just because he made the first posts with some actual content today.. i rather find it interesting that VisceraEyes is jumping to conclusions / trying to badmouth someone that quick. :p

im really curious how were gonna settle for our 1st lynch given that no special roles are in the game!

Early game, when I'm eyeballing Mataza and GiygaS has bandwagoned. Rightly notices that this isn't Mataza's first rodeo and smartly dodges giving a real comment other than 'Someone's pointing a finger...maybe someone should point one at them.'

Also prematurely assumes that there are no power-roles in the game...unless he's trying to deceive new players, which I find highly unlikely.

On May 17 2011 02:25 nard wrote:
dont forget we have an 48hour day cycle, so there is still plenty of time for everybody to post.
i can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p

This generated a few strange responses. A few people jumped on him about this post, claiming 'It shouldn't be hard...just write something'...also one or two 'Maybe it's cause he's trying to think of something non-scummy to say!' All in all, I think he might just be new and not sure what a good way to lead into a game like this would be. In my opinion, totally reasonable.
On May 17 2011 10:35 nard wrote:
nice to see a 2nd poster with a lot of content besides mataza - thanks prplhz

onto your note:
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While this might be a whole new game for everybody it should not be hard for an innocent townie to write a simple "hello" post. Maybe nard is having a hard time writing his first post because he is a scum with a hidden agenda and then he is thinking that everybody else is having a hard time too? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.


i realized when i made that post that it in itself is suspicious as well and thats kinda supporting the argument i posted - everything you post except a trivial "hello" might be endangering your life and i guess most if not all townies want not only the town to win, but also to survive until the end.

as requested here are my opinions on the 3 most active posters. this is no deep analysis just some gut feelings after having read the last 2 thread pages. i might post a reasoning with quotes and all that jazz in a few hours when i have a break.

Mataza - before prplhz posted his argument about him trying to set up a leadership he was pretty unsuspicious to me. currently undeciced, still tending to townie though.
Viscera - so far the most suspicious. locking in on only Mataza, a lot of posts with lacking content.
Giygas - less suspicious then Viscera. kind of in an odd place to make a decision as his posts are way less agressive / suspicious than viscera, but they keep appearing as a double tag team which makes it harder to form a seperate opinion on both.

hoping for the 2 inactives to show up soon :>

Admits to himself that his post might have been suspicious, explains his rationale. Also gives opinions of the 3 most active posters up to this point, myself Mataza and GiygaS.

On May 18 2011 10:08 nard wrote:
oh my, waking up and checking mafia thread as the 1st thing was a good choice :D
by skimming the last 4 new pages quick i find hiro's lynch logic the most appelling.
as im lacking a big analysis right now, ill jump the bandwagon for the inactives - skrammen slightly more suspicious as after his 1st post there will still 8 hours to go and he didnt post again, even after being asked to.

##vote Skrammen

modkill avoided, suspicion raised - see you on day2 :3

Okay, this is where it starts getting iffy with me. Not only does he ADMITTEDLY jump on a bandwagon, but he admittedly does it following someone else' logic. Add to this the fact that he waits almost a page and a half before even POSTING, barely escaping (or smartly dodging?) FoS's and ##Votes flying around during that time. All the while pointing out someone else's suspicious behavior. Interesting.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 19 2011 23:19 GMT
#362
Alright I'm back from work alright and read through all you guys wrote.

I'd like to do some analysis of how votes were cast last night. Times are in KST, first player is voter second is votee, -> () is unvote. So here we go:
+ Show Spoiler +

18:01 VisceraEyes -> stefftastiq
18:59 Palmar -> DeepBlue2
19:54 DeepBlue2 -> GiygaS
01:00 Mataza -> GiygaS
01:39 VisceraEyes -> ()
02:48 Skrammen -> GiygaS
07:25 GiygaS -> Skrammen
07:35 prplhz -> Skrammen
07:51 VisceraEyes -> prplhz
09:01 VisceraEyes -> ()
09:01 VisceraEyes -> GiygaS
09:05 Karshe -> Skrammen
09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen
09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen
09:58 stefftastiq -> GiygaS
10:08 nard -> Skrammen
10:55 prplhz -> ()
10:55 prplhz -> GiygaS
11:00 Voting ends


First I want to say that while scum might have voted for GiygaS, I am sure that his demise was never intentional. After GiygaS was lynched it was 9-2 in favor of town, and if the scum had tried to kill someone who had gotten nurse protection, it would have been 9-2 at dawn on day2. This is not very favorable for scum.

This is why I am exonerating VisceraEyes. He cast the 4th vote on GiygaS at a time when Skrammen had only 2 votes. If VisceraEyes was scum it would not be good to put his fellow scum in such a dangerous position. You might say "Well at that point there were 5 votes missing, maybe he thought that in the event that GiygaS would almost get lynched he would do an 11th hour scum switch and send Skrammen home" but then he would almost certainly have been doomed himself the following day.

Another thing to note is that Palmar's last post before voting ended was at 9:18, at a point where GiygaS had 4 votes to Skrammen's 3. Palmar had been very critical of inactives all game at this point and he might have said "Okay I'm going to switch my vote from DeepBlue2 to Skrammen because I want an inactive to get lynched and Skrammen has more votes already" and it would have been in line with everything he had said so far. Hell, in that last post of his he even says that Skrammen is bad for town but he does not change his vote. If Palmar is scum why did he not do this, greatly helping to prevent an, at that time, impending lynch of GiygaS?

Before next paragraph I'd like everybody to know that I was roleblocked during the night. This means that the mafia has as roleblocker and that town either has Doc+Cop or all townies. Scum knew that all along, now everybody knows.

Now on to Mataza. To everybody's surprise this guy was not scum killed. I say that there are two reasons why this might be; either scum were afraid that he was gonna get nursed, he made several pleas during and they did not want to risk their night kill. After all that would put them at a 9-2 disadvantage which would be very bad. The other possibility is that Mataza is scum, and while the scum could have tried to kill Mataza and hope for a nurse save, that would have been very ballsy and I think that scum are playing it safe now. Mataza's voting pattern is that he put his vote for GiygaS to make it 2-0 which is a very risky move if he is scum.

Now if Mataza is scum I'd say that the scum played very risky on day1, and after getting burned very hard and putting themselves in a terrible position I'd assume that during the night they would agree to play very safe and also I would think that while staying with their personality their roles in the game will probably change to accomodate for their new safe strategy. If Mataza is scum, did they start playing very safe during night1? Did they play risky during day1?

Now lets start at day1. If Mataza is scum they played very risky during day1. Most important thing that happened during day1 was the trial of GiygaS. Mataza giving him the second vote was very risky indeed but it would have paid off immensely if town would lynch somebody else. I suspect that Mataza as scum might have advocated this to his fellow scums because he seems very savvy and apparently considered everybody noob in the beginning. So if Mataza is scum, scum plans looked like this in the beginning: We gonna impress the town first and see where the game goes. The game went in the direction of "lets lynch inactives" which fitted well into scum plans, Mataza in his fourth post even said that "it's not a bad idea to lynch them". I'd say if Mataza is scum, scum played risky on day1 and I think that fits with how Mataza appears; savvy and underestimating the town.

Lets see what has happened since dusk day1 and if Mataza is scum, was it safe?. Very most important is that Karshe has been killed. This is a very safe kill for the mafia as nobody expected them to target him. Mataza spent most of the night begging nurses to protect him. If Mataza is scum he was obviously trying to make himself appear more townie by being very afraid of his life, so the question is, did he overdo this? Mataza asked for something that would probably have been given to him anyway, and he asked for it several times in his night posts.

I'm also somewhat curious about Mataza's intended risky play that would be of great good to this town, especially because it is very long term. He promises us a scum if we do two lynches for him. Does not sound like a bad deal at all, and if Mataza is townie he will probably still be very high on the mafia hitlist, so why not immediately risk his already fragile existence for a guaranteed scum lynch? If Mataza is scum though he might try to lead us to two town lynches, which would bring us to 2v5 after night3. This is a risky, but LONG TERM risky. Short term I'd still consider it very safe play if Mataza is scum.

Some of these arguments came out in the wrong order but I'm done writing now :D I'll post more analysis tomorrow but for now I FoS Mataza and I am very curious to see his defense and what his cool plan might be. I'll probably be here for some hours for any questions
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 19 2011 23:21 GMT
#363
Oh yea I didn't focus on the third scum at all. It should be apparent that I think it is someone far less active than Mataza but I do not know who. I think hiro protagonist, Wunder and nard are all candidates for obvious reasons, and I very much doubt that it is Skrammen or stefftastiq.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 19 2011 23:36 GMT
#364
Oh shit I need to do some roleblock discussion too.

Right, Karshe got killed and I got blocked. We either have Doc+Cop or we have vanilla town. The scum has known this all along.

Now Imagine this. Scum tried to block townie. Why on earth would they do that? Only makes sense if they are trying to do some mind games, but would it not be better to block someone other than me? Someone who is townie but who is acting scummy? Now imagine this: Scum tried to block Doc. If I am doc would their blocking me have helped in their assassination of Karshe? Not likely, I do not think I ever even mentioned Karshe before he was killed so why would they think I would try to save him? So scum tried to block Cop?

What are your thoughts on this?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
May 19 2011 23:51 GMT
#365
On May 19 2011 20:01 nard wrote:
really interesting day/night turnout.

have some free time now to investigate a bit, so here it goes:

hiro protagonist: has a medium amount of posts/content on day 1 with a reasonable townie logic. defends viscera during the early FoS'ing between matazar and viscera. he keeps being slightly suspicious of matazar and offered imo the best reasoning for voting on day 1
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gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote.

Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing.

worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another.

good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one.

Eather way, Im happy with day one.

##Vote: Skrammen

in light of the last post by viscera we should not forget about the vote on skrammen for a possible read on matazar.
least suspicious for me atm.

deepblu2: not that active. first posts were pretty meager. kinda suspicious of him, so im gonna quote all posts after the short ones with no content and write my opinion.

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I'm leaning towards Mataza at the moment. I'm not positive yet but just the fact he's defending himself so aggressively and has been caught with a couple of contradictions while blaming others as well. I'm going to be keep looking at his posts but he's my only suspect currently. I'm not saying it's definitely Mataza just the way he's handling himself is very defensive.

very careful wording with his suspicion. not too much to say about that post

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Alright. Well I guess I'll make another post but I'm new at this. I just wanted to make the 2nd post saying I was here because you were waiting for a post and I only had a minute to write it so sorry about that.

I am not a band wagon/front-runner sir, and I am most definately not mafia as since Day 1 I have been secretly observing people's actions.
Upon further review, I believe that Mataza is not mafia. He posted earlier that in order for the Mafia to thrive and be successful, they must lay low. However, he has done quite the opposite and I am starting to think that his "defense" isn't an overreaction to being Mafia but instead just trying to have justice served by having us vote the actual mafia members. I do believe, however, that the correct mafia member is none other than Glygas. Being sly in his ways, he has tricked people to vote against Matiza who he must believe is his biggest threat. Glygas has turned against the two most active players looking to seek justice for the Town in my eyes. He has been accusing people constantly and the time he has defended himself, he just used quotes or responses that were not though out which makes it very hard to find hard evidence.

with this post it starts getting interesting. he posts directly after being accused by palmar. a lot of excuses early on, the lamest one being that he cannot be mafia as hes been secretly observing other peoples actions.
he retracts his suspicion and is 100% certain of glygas, pretty early on.
i have to admit im analyzing after reading visceras big post about matazar sacrificing glygas to get a leader role going. this would fit in perfectly if mafia decided between this and his post before to sacrifice glygas as he was playing too obvious.

next post is his vote on glygas, then a quick comment on the successful lynch of glygas.
last post until now is the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
There is still time to go.. I think the people who tried to offvote so that Glygas wouldn't be lynched should be taken into strong consideration for obvious reasons.

states the obvious and puts the focus on the people not voting for glygas.

now if the biggest of em all conspiracies is true and glygas was in fact a sacrificial lamb, we can be pretty sure that we wont find any mafia on the offvoters list (and im not saying that just because im an offvoter :p )
anyways, my conclusion: pretty suspicious (even though he had the proper read on glygas), might be just a mafia newb though.

prplhz : so many posts.. claims hes completely new to mafia and posts really nice content afterwards. is suspicious of matazar in the beginning and focuses on him trying to get a leadership role without really accusing anyone, which is bad for the town. also is suspicious of me for my post about 1st post might not be posted in the first few hours of day1 ;(
he also had a nice read on viscera & giygas turning on each other, with at least one of them being scum. he first voted skrammen, but what made him the day 1 hero is his last minute switch to giygas which led to his lynch. this makes the whole giygas-sacrifice story either less believable, more lucky for mafia or he himself is mafia. O_O
after day1 is over he's warning of viscera, who is kind of a weird guy to analyze..
anyway, without any proper reasoning behind it, i still believe hes one of the good guys rather than being mafia.

Palmar: first posts contain no real value, restates the current situation at that time and wants inactives to post. also didnt like my post about 1st posts taking a while :D
then he takes a strong stance on matazar being inactive "innocent as new-born baby" - which he revokes later on.
skimming through the rest of his (huge amount of) posts, he has a pretty reasonable stance on giygas during all the time. first unsure of him being bad mafia or noob town, he wants to keep him even in case that he's mafia to let him make more mistakes. after the lynch he is quick to analyze that he might be indeed a sacrifice to gain trust and revokes his focus on offvoters. after a quick defense against viscera who goes apeshit on him for changing his mind there were no more posts.

im gonna take a break from analyzing here, this took longer then i expected and im far from done.. i will try to post my analysis of the other ppl in this daycycle. already fearing matazars and visceras analysis O_O so many posts..
anyway, keep in mind i read visceras day2 post of being suspicious of matazar just before and i only analyzed by reading all single posts, not the complete thread again and relied on my memory from following the thread earlier..



One thing that makes this wall of text stand out. The two people he defended were Hiro and Purple haze.
Hiro has offered nothing beneficial the entire game and is slowing down progress IMO, which if you wouldn't consider suspicious, is just irritating and is not helping Town side. I have no analysis of Karshe dieing, as I don't understand why they would kill him. Hiro defended Glygas, slowed down our progress, has offered no advice pro-town, and the only person really defending him is Nard. Karshe just wanted to lynch inactives so I really don't get what the motive was behind killing him.

About purplehaze, a couple of people defended him in the past(and possibly present) such as nard and Palmar. Just a fact to throw out. Karshe was very confident that he would be alive Day 2. So, I'm figuring that the mafia thought he was hiding something (eg: being a cop).

Game deciding thing: Whether Mataza will be lynched/killed or not. He's the hardest person to judge as throughout the entire game basically, he's been blamed/defended about 50%/50% so there is really no way of telling whether he is scum or not so I can't really accuse him of anything.

Wunder, like Hiro, hasn't really said many useful things, he might be mafia but again, nothing incriminating at the moment. I will post in a bit if I find more. I still have a few things to say but will wait before lynching. Will see how things play out.
u gotta sk8
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 20 2011 00:08 GMT
#366
So looks like a lot of people are looking into me

DeepBlu2: no I never gave a explanation into my vote after day1. I gave my reasons for the vote BEFORE voting. Something all good townies should do. I still stand behind that vote.

Palmar, nord, and Skrammen have posted some anyalisis of me. All three analyises me equaly well in my opinon, and each draw up different conclusions! Palmar wants to lynch me whill nord thinks im a safe townie. Skrammen is unsure (thanks for steping into the game btw). I find this intriguing...

One thing I will addresses (sense no one really asked me any questions), Is of my play being safe. true. I see no reason to not continue to do so. We got a scum day 1. we have the advantage. I am gonna keep on making my opinions heard, and any suspicion I have known.

As for the rest of the game, my thoughts around Karshes death are like this: mafia does not know if we have a doc. It would be to risky to go Mataza in case the was one, because they cant afford a miss hit. they chose the next best thing; going for blue roles. they took a shot in the dark in hopes off hitting blue. And if they missed, well, It was very unlikely Karshe had a doc on him, so at least its a guarantee town kill.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 20 2011 00:17 GMT
#367
You want me to take the risk?
No problem. I see a huge opening right now, even improved by your own post. It´s about blue roles.

Plan A(don´t do this anymore):
I ask the Doctor to claim openly. If we have 2 doctors, we know 1 of them is scum. Sounds good initially.
BUT this of course has huge flaws. In the worst case we lose the doctor for nothing.

Plan B:
Cop claim openly. ASAP.
Prplhz claims to have been roleblocked. He also says he is only townie.
We have very likely a doctor. If there really is a roleblocker, we have a cop.
And if we have a cop, who is not prplhz(since he just claimed townie), we can verify the setup.


What we don´t have is a roleblocker and a cop. The setup is only 1 doctor.
Claiming roleblock is not an uncommon strategy for scum(I don´t know why, I think it´s utter rubbish)


Super duper risky plan has the following options:
1) Purple fakes roleblock. We have 1 doc, no cop
2) Purple was really blocked. Our "doctor" is scum.
3) Purple was really blocked. We have 1 cop and 1 doc. We only know if cop claims. He should.

4) Purple fakes the roleblock and we have 1 cop. In that case our scum are Purple and the doctor.


Obviously 4) won´t happen. Mafia would doom itself.
If we have a cop, he also has a report from the night, since Purp was blocked.
I expect to have either 1) or 3) happening and both situations are very clear. A clear situation is always good. The easier it is to understand the situation the better the town can act.

If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
May 20 2011 00:20 GMT
#368
On May 17 2011 12:23 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, here are my thoughts so far,

the first two people I gonna talk about are the ones i have the most read on/talked the most o far:

VisceraEyes: He was the most active in the first few pages, with most of his post wanting simply for all active players to say hi. Also mentioning not to take suspicions of one another as a bad thing. I can agree with this line of logic, as it will foster a more friendly town, and get in on the scum hunting. His FoS of Mataza looks more like a call for discussion then an actual accusation. my worry is that he is almost TOO town, and is a likely prime hit for Mafia, unless of course he IS Mafia.

Mataza: considered the most suspicious as of right now, and with good reasoning. His first post was one of feinting a cop role. and Has been very Defensive initially when VisceraEye ask a question. Then he points the finger right back at VisceraEyes. after that he claims that he "just wanted to see how you would react". However he made a good post about how he wants to talk about what everyone else thinks, and his post are in the vein of scumhunting (when his not busy defending himself). not sure what to think of him tbh.

Next up GiygaS, nord, Palmar,:

These 3 have the most posts with the least amount of Analysis. most likely town wanting to hang low or wait and see before going into to much discussion. GiygaS has done the most in getting discussion going, expesialy around what VisceraEye and Mataza have been saying. not alot to go on.

prplhz: quite at first but then a solid post with good analysis.

Deepblue, Steff, Karshe: still need to here more from them. deepblue has gotten in pretty late with just a one liner. gonna watch to see if he is gonna just slide under the modkill, as there are still some inactives, and is laying low(as in acting scummy)

thats it for now.






On May 18 2011 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
@VisEyes

and while I was posting you say that
Jez, I was on board with you Vis, but that's just a lame attitude...



On May 18 2011 09:48 hiro protagonist wrote:
gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote.

Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing.

worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another.

good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one.

Eather way, Im happy with day one.

##Vote: Skrammen



I'd quote the next two posts but all it is saying is "Alright, slow down guys, I'll post my analysis soon." and instead of doing that, you just try to slow down the progress of lynching with the following post.

The above quotes might just seem like a wall of text but each of them have alot of things in common. Before the game really getting active, he's instantly pro Glygas and all the other people I really have as my main suspects. Second post, He only starts disagreeing with Vis when he switched votes from Skrammen to Glygas. Which FYI, Skrammen I highly highly highly doubt is mafia as Glygas was the first to lynch him and i was the first to lynch Glygas. When everyone is starting to lynch Glygas, Hiro is obviously just like the other posts, defending him. When he says he's sticking by his original vote, he's really just continuing to defend Glygas. I still have other suspects but what's important is I'm very confident in the fact that Hiro is indeed, Mafia.

Fos hiro

I'll feel terrible if he isn't but he's made it very obvious in his stance and if he is Town, then he's bad at it.


FYI Hiro, congratulations on your almost 200 posts. Maybe your 200th one will be the one where you get lynched. tee hee
u gotta sk8
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 20 2011 00:20 GMT
#369
Addendum:
If you are the doctor and are absolutely sure you never gave your role away, claim it loudly.
It would mean we have an impostor in the game.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2011 00:24 GMT
#370
Stop telling people to claim. I don't like where this is going. If we save our blues, we could use them if we get behind after the lynch (such as, if we hit a townie). If we have them, that is.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 20 2011 00:24 GMT
#371
Mataza, I don't get what your plan would accomplish. Mafia can read it to. could you explain it better perhaps, or am i not getting it
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
May 20 2011 00:25 GMT
#372
I hate making a post directly after but sometimes you just remember that thing you were trying to say. I'll try to stop doing this but something that purplehaze that I like is this:

18:01 VisceraEyes -> stefftastiq
18:59 Palmar -> DeepBlue2
19:54 DeepBlue2 -> GiygaS
01:00 Mataza -> GiygaS
01:39 VisceraEyes -> ()
02:48 Skrammen -> GiygaS
07:25 GiygaS -> Skrammen
07:35 prplhz -> Skrammen
07:51 VisceraEyes -> prplhz
09:01 VisceraEyes -> ()
09:01 VisceraEyes -> GiygaS
09:05 Karshe -> Skrammen
09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen
09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen
09:58 stefftastiq -> GiygaS
10:08 nard -> Skrammen
10:55 prplhz -> ()
10:55 prplhz -> GiygaS
11:00 Voting ends


I'm figuring this is right as I would hope, even if he was mafia, he wouldn't switch it or anything. He probably didn't though.

Glygas's goodbye post said something along the lines of, "we almost had you gg." not exact quote but it dosen't really matter because the fact that he said "We" in the sentence implies that their plan was to offvote him to Skrammen or whatever his name is.

09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen
09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen
10:08 nard -> Skrammen

Last 3 people to vote for Skrammen. Their plan obviously was to offvote to him and by him stating, "we almost had them" that was their latest plan. This gives me more reason to believe that not only is Hiro mafia, but their plan was not to intentionally lynch Glygas to make it look like they were town but they were doing their best to make him live.

I will probably stick by hiro being mafia, if I change my mind, it will just be who is the 3rd mafia, as I think it's fairly obvious he is the 2nd mafia.
u gotta sk8
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 20 2011 00:26 GMT
#373
Btw, I have a read on why Karshe was not protected at night.
If Mafia is crafty they knew it too.
This little affair is the only reason I even consider that we have an impostor doctor.

Of course in case it was just random I can´t tell my read openly as it would benefit the mafia to know what I puzzled together.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2011 00:26 GMT
#374
@Blue

I think he said "I almost had you" which in itself was peculiar because he clearly wasn't a mastermind of any kind of plan.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2011 00:28 GMT
#375
@Mataza What do you mean 'imposter doctor'? No one has claimed doctor OR cop yet...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
May 20 2011 00:30 GMT
#376
On May 20 2011 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Blue

I think he said "I almost had you" which in itself was peculiar because he clearly wasn't a mastermind of any kind of plan.



Yeah, just checked, your right. I could've sworn it said we but whatever. Point still stands. I still believe the mafia communicated w/ eachother and agreed to vote for Skrammen.
u gotta sk8
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 20 2011 00:32 GMT
#377
There is flaw in Mataza's logic

Do not roleclaim under any circumstances.

Will explain later, I'm busy at the moment.
Computer says mafia
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 20 2011 00:34 GMT
#378
That´s why I strongly request claims now.
If our real doctor was very silent, he must have missed the impostor.

If we have a cop he MUST claim. The reward is instantly getting an innocent report and a mafia. The risk is getting heavily messed with by scum.
Claiming means we know the setup 100% sure.
I cannot overstate how good this is for us.

If you are cop and do not claim, it means I will wrongly try to get prplhz lynched. And that if you claim later nobody will believe you.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2011 00:37 GMT
#379
Mataza, WHY do you need to know the setup? It doesn't affect our play at ALL. All it does is guarantee DEATH to a blue n2...which is NOT favorable. And if someone claims later I'll believe him unless I have reason not to...quit speaking for town Mataza. Your threats about prplhz are no good either...why are you acting like this? And why so suddenly?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 20 2011 00:38 GMT
#380
I know this sounds crazy. That´s why I scrapped the version where we only had a doctor.

Now we have a doctor and a roleblock. If both are true, cop will claim and we get 3 confirmed innocents:
The doc(who will remain anonymous)
The cop(who will be known)
The report of the cop(since cop was not blocked)


The other option is that either the doc lies or that the roleblock is a lie. We get 1 maf in a 1:1 trade, which is good for town.
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