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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 21 2013 08:47 GMT
#321
On June 21 2013 16:36 Ange777 wrote:
@DarthPunk:

What is your current stance on Oats? Still scummy which in Oats terms means nullish? Because I don't understand why Obvious is called scum for giving Oats a town read while Hapa gets away with the same thing.

Was there a reason behind this question? I was hoping for some discussion but I find it weird you would ask something and then disappear.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 08:49 GMT
#322
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 08:58 GMT
#323
On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read?

It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not?

What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it?

On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.

Do you remember from top of your head which game that was?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 09:00 GMT
#324
It was I swear mini mafia
No gg, No skill.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 21 2013 09:07 GMT
#325
On June 21 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read?

It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not?

What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it?

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.

Do you remember from top of your head which game that was?


Yeah pretty much the same. Like in carnival cruise mafia I was sure he was scum in the game and in the obs qt for days. Like to me he always seems super scummy. He could just be bad and be wanting to policy lynch his town read, and he could be scum being wishy washy as fuck. if it was anyone other than obvious, I would want to lynch them for being willing to lynch their major town read.


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:09 GMT
#326
How about commenting the yamato question DP?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:11 GMT
#327
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place?
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 21 2013 09:15 GMT
#328
On June 21 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place?

Because I need help figuring him out. I would think from your response that that would be obvious.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 21 2013 09:19 GMT
#329
About Yamato. His explanation just came across as genuine. Like he was backtracking and stuff but it seemed natural. And reasonably townie. Obviously Yamato leaving as soon as he ceased to be under pressure looks bad and he definitely needs to be looked at if he doesn't step up his game tomorrow.

Did his explanations not seem genuine to you?

Like I don't get how you could be so confident he is scum.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 09:22 GMT
#330
DP, for me, he has never professed to play this way. With so many 'townies' day 1 and then already using elimination to find scum?

He fucked up and is trying not get lynched.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:23 GMT
#331
Oats, is your town-read on ShiaoPi based on meta or not?

Here's what i've gathered so far regarding that:
You are saying ShiaoPi would care about not being lynched more as scum than as town. Reading his filter from I swear mini half-supports your argument (he was "trying to scumhunt" and was active). It does not fully support your argument (see later why). However, what happened in LXI is not suppoting this. And then this; ShiaoPi has not played town apparently after last
September. Now, dear Oats, why are you making a meta-case on someone based on their first post, which is flip-floppy, say that you only look at their recent games. Because you can't do a meta-case like you described. You yourself debunked your argument and now you are using that as an argument to NOT look into his games that are not recent.

You got some explaining to do here.
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 09:26 GMT
#332
I dont think his play this game is similar to his play last game, therefore he is different alignments.

Thats the only thing I said.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 09:27 GMT
#333
##Vote: ShiaoPi

Looks nice for now.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:29 GMT
#334
On June 21 2013 18:19 DarthPunk wrote:
About Yamato. His explanation just came across as genuine. Like he was backtracking and stuff but it seemed natural. And reasonably townie. Obviously Yamato leaving as soon as he ceased to be under pressure looks bad and he definitely needs to be looked at if he doesn't step up his game tomorrow.

Did his explanations not seem genuine to you?

Like I don't get how you could be so confident he is scum.

No, his explanation did not seem genuine to me. He said he has town-reads and worrisome reads. When asked about that, thay were actually the following:

"Some people that are not worth looking into yet, as they will prove their towniness/scumminess later"
"Some people that are worth looking into now because they are hard to read or he has no idea how they play"
"A town-read on OO because ballsy read on Oats" i think this is weak reasoning.

Can you explain to me how this looks genuine? Because to me this looks just like what yamato did in Red, where he made a shitty case on D1 and backpedalled from it with bullshit reasons and was figured out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:30 GMT
#335
marv, thoughts on yamato, hapa and DP.

go!
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 09:33 GMT
#336
I would say that after a slightly worrying trollish start, Hapa has been asking the right questions.

Namely asking yamato why he's worried about DP (yamato, how would you 'expect' town DP to look if you're not seeing it here?) and pulling GK up on his characterisation of Oatsmaster's play. Also agrees with yamato's correct observation about Shaio's play.

I probably have opinions on other players too, but I don't care to talk about them right now, unless someone has specific questions.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 09:36 GMT
#337
On June 21 2013 18:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, thoughts on yamato, hapa and DP.

go!


Light town-reads on all of them.

yamato is being pulled up for saying things like "i have townreads on almost everyone" when this kind of thing just seems completely in-line with his rather over-confident play as town ("look! i solved the game this fast guys!") rather than sitting back as mafia.

Hapa just discussed.

DP has been super involved while he's here. Don't really know how to read the contents of his posts so well yet, but his high activity and give-a-shit ratio is promising.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:37 GMT
#338
Do you buy yamato's explanation on his "reads"?
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 09:39 GMT
#339
On June 21 2013 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you buy yamato's explanation on his "reads"?


I think so. As I was reading it I thought it looked pretty terrible, but actually his "I'm worried about these 2 because I have townreads on everyone else" isn't an unexpected thing for a town yamato imo. Certainly more unexpected for a mafia-yamato I'd say.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 09:41 GMT
#340
marv,
how do you get the conclusion that yamato is over-confident from him saying he has no clue who is SCUM and only who is town?



Also why is shiao pi scum?
No gg, No skill.
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