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On June 21 2013 15:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:39 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna lynch cora seriously now.
1. He wants to waste his vote
2. He actually feels the need to justify his vote on marv
On June 21 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cora is town.
On June 21 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP and hapa are scum.
On June 21 2013 14:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
because you [Hapa] are wrong. and scum. Mostly wrong though. First of all there is the 180 on me because it was obvious no one agreed with you. Then it was the only semi-explained reasoning for DP, Hapa, and Yamato scum. It doesn't equate to much contribution. I see a whole lot of nothing in your filter, and that's not good seeing as it's three pages already. Do you agree or disagree with what hapa said about townies often being paranoid and casting suspicion on many different people for this reason?
This is a bit of an oversimplification for what I'm saying. Both scum and town can cast suspicion on multiple players. What's key is how they do it. In the case of Oats, he was doing it and making every effort to antagonize everyone around him. Combine this with his hyper-activity so far, and I associate this much more with his town play than his scum play. His scum-play is much more diplomatic.
Could he have adjusted? Mebe. I'd need much more than a couple of hours to catch him should that be the case, though I don't consider it likely.
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@Oats:
Are you now saying yourself that your reasons for changing your mind are bad???
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On June 21 2013 15:26 Hapahauli wrote:@ GKShow nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote:On June 21 2013 15:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:59 goodkarma wrote:
@Hapa:
Why you unvote Oats? Because his play so far has been based on antagonizing every single person in the thread. There's no scum survival instinct in his play. He's playing like a paranoid townie. Which is why I have severe objections to how you interpreted his play so far: On June 21 2013 14:55 goodkarma wrote:
I'd say that right now I'm most suspicious of Oats.
He's called multiple people scum already, including: Cora, Hapa, DP, and has sheeped onto Yamato. But what I've failed to see from him is conviction in his reads. This is something I've seen from Oatsmaster in the past, even this early into the game, and I'm not seeing it here.
Oats, care to explain your current thoughts on DP and Hapa? I have no idea how you associate any of this with scum-behavior. Firstly, "lack of conviction" seems the exact opposite of his play thusfar. Sure he doesn't have great justifications for his reads (which is normal on Day 1), but he seems to have as much "conviction" as possible. Secondly, calling multiple people scum is completely non-alignment indicative, and might even be a town-tell (paranoia, natural suspicion, etc). You are holding "townie conviction" to an immeasurably high standard. If there's anyone that has "conviction" about their reads so far, it's Oats. And hell it's early Day 1 - are you expecting the guy to have one clear scumread already or something? Different people play scum in different ways. You say that the way Oats has played so far would be impossible for scum because there's "no survival instinct." I would strongly disagree with that. Oats so far hasn't really persay tunneled anyone all that hard. Coming from a game where he (as town) literally devoted all his energies to trying to get me lynched, his play this game is dramatically different. Sure, it's early and he could maybe not have that guy he's feeling really strongly is scum, but it is odd that he can so lightly jump on and off of people the way he has. Especially what he did with Yamato felt a bit off to me, more or less completely sheeping thread sentiment while entirely abandoning any focus on his prior scumreads. I really haven't seen this "lack of survival instinct" you seem to have. This is a guy that as town waves his arms in the air and begs to get mislynched or vigshot for how scummy he looks. Here, I'd say he's not really acting like that. He's already tunnelled a couple of people and is the most active person in this thread. I have no idea how you can interpret his play about having a lack of conviction. In regards to him tunneling the hell out of you in "I Swear" Mini, you should know full well that he tunneled you on Day 2 of the game. How is that all relevant towards his play in the first few hours in the game, in which it is near impossible to have anything with which to mega-tunnel someone. Can you point to me to any of his town-games in which he acts to the degree you attribute his play to within the first few hours of Day 1?
It was the first few hours I was in the game, so as far as I'm concerned it was day one. And it was based off my first post, so he literally is capable of megatunneling off basically nothing... But that's not really my main issue with him. I'm still having trouble understanding how he can so easily forget about you and DP when jumping onto Yamato. Also have you learned your lesson from Axel and Shao last game? Activity =/= towniness. Oats is always pretty active, so that's not particularly indicative of anything.
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On June 21 2013 15:54 Ange777 wrote:
@Oats:
Are you now saying yourself that your reasons for changing your mind are bad???
inb4 Oats changes his mind for no reason and says that the reasons for changing his mind are actually good
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I dont understand why you are so angry cora.
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On June 21 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont understand why you are so angry cora.
I'm not angry you're just being irrational and I'm calling you out for it.
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Anyway, I'm off to bed.
Oats is a strong town-read.
Cora is just under that.
At this point, the only person I'm suspicious of is GK for what I interpret to be a very bad entrance into the thread. He was suspicious of lynch-bait for very suspect rationale.
Essentially null on everyone else. Maybe a tinge suspicious of Shaio because one of his posts ("y u so scummy Yamato") rubbed me the wrong way.
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On June 21 2013 15:56 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont understand why you are so angry cora.
I'm not angry you're just being irrational and I'm calling you out for it.
and?
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On June 21 2013 15:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:56 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont understand why you are so angry cora.
I'm not angry you're just being irrational and I'm calling you out for it. and?
On June 21 2013 13:53 cDgCorazon wrote:
Agree with what Hapa says, I do.
Cloudy and hard to see, the dark side makes it.
Behind the cloudiness, I think Oats is.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
And that.
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On June 21 2013 15:54 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:26 Hapahauli wrote:@ GKOn June 21 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote:On June 21 2013 15:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:59 goodkarma wrote:
@Hapa:
Why you unvote Oats? Because his play so far has been based on antagonizing every single person in the thread. There's no scum survival instinct in his play. He's playing like a paranoid townie. Which is why I have severe objections to how you interpreted his play so far: On June 21 2013 14:55 goodkarma wrote:
I'd say that right now I'm most suspicious of Oats.
He's called multiple people scum already, including: Cora, Hapa, DP, and has sheeped onto Yamato. But what I've failed to see from him is conviction in his reads. This is something I've seen from Oatsmaster in the past, even this early into the game, and I'm not seeing it here.
Oats, care to explain your current thoughts on DP and Hapa? I have no idea how you associate any of this with scum-behavior. Firstly, "lack of conviction" seems the exact opposite of his play thusfar. Sure he doesn't have great justifications for his reads (which is normal on Day 1), but he seems to have as much "conviction" as possible. Secondly, calling multiple people scum is completely non-alignment indicative, and might even be a town-tell (paranoia, natural suspicion, etc). You are holding "townie conviction" to an immeasurably high standard. If there's anyone that has "conviction" about their reads so far, it's Oats. And hell it's early Day 1 - are you expecting the guy to have one clear scumread already or something? Different people play scum in different ways. You say that the way Oats has played so far would be impossible for scum because there's "no survival instinct." I would strongly disagree with that. Oats so far hasn't really persay tunneled anyone all that hard. Coming from a game where he (as town) literally devoted all his energies to trying to get me lynched, his play this game is dramatically different. Sure, it's early and he could maybe not have that guy he's feeling really strongly is scum, but it is odd that he can so lightly jump on and off of people the way he has. Especially what he did with Yamato felt a bit off to me, more or less completely sheeping thread sentiment while entirely abandoning any focus on his prior scumreads. I really haven't seen this "lack of survival instinct" you seem to have. This is a guy that as town waves his arms in the air and begs to get mislynched or vigshot for how scummy he looks. Here, I'd say he's not really acting like that. He's already tunnelled a couple of people and is the most active person in this thread. I have no idea how you can interpret his play about having a lack of conviction. In regards to him tunneling the hell out of you in "I Swear" Mini, you should know full well that he tunneled you on Day 2 of the game. How is that all relevant towards his play in the first few hours in the game, in which it is near impossible to have anything with which to mega-tunnel someone. Can you point to me to any of his town-games in which he acts to the degree you attribute his play to within the first few hours of Day 1? It was the first few hours I was in the game, so as far as I'm concerned it was day one. And it was based off my first post, so he literally is capable of megatunneling off basically nothing... But that's not really my main issue with him. I'm still having trouble understanding how he can so easily forget about you and DP when jumping onto Yamato.
Well you didn't mention this before. That being said, I still have no idea about how this is scummy, but I'll let Oats answer for himself.
Also have you learned your lesson from Axel and Shao last game? Activity =/= towniness. Oats is always pretty active, so that's not particularly indicative of anything.
Shaio and Axle weren't very active. They were active in the early game, but dropped off later. The most active players in the thread were town, per usual. If there's a lesson to be learned, it's that early-game activity isn't as important as I weighted it to be. That being said, my read on Oats isn't entirely based on activity (though he has 3 pages of filter already) - it's based on his antagonistic attitude.
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@Cora: What do you make of the fact that despite that quote Hapa now gave Oats a clear town read?
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On June 21 2013 15:54 Ange777 wrote:
@Oats:
Are you now saying yourself that your reasons for changing your mind are bad???
oh god why people why.
To cora they are. Therefore in answering cora, Ill answer based on what he thinks so we can relate.
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On June 21 2013 16:02 Ange777 wrote:
@Cora: What do you make of the fact that despite that quote Hapa now gave Oats a clear town read?
Well it's not like I'm going to convince everyone. I feel like Hapa is giving Oats way too much slack for his shoddy play. Hapa's lack of scum reads disturbs me a bit, but he's low on my priority list right now.
I'm not gonna call anyone scum for disagreeing with me. I'm just a bit disappointed that Hapa doesn't agree with me =(
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so to you cora, irrational = scumplay?
Can you link it to the other games ive played.
Meh when the push on yamato started both of you hopped on him and then you hopped off him for what I feel are not really awesome reasons.
Also you flipflopped around me after you said I was a POLICY lynch and not I was scum.
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Alright, I'm going to bed. I'm not getting anything else out of Oats cause he's acting like a complete dick, and I'm pretty sure it will spiral out of control once Marv wakes up and finds out I voted for him 30 seconds into the game.
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On June 21 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also you flipflopped around me after you said I was a POLICY lynch and not I was scum.
When did I say that?
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On June 21 2013 16:05 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 16:02 Ange777 wrote:
@Cora: What do you make of the fact that despite that quote Hapa now gave Oats a clear town read? Well it's not like I'm going to convince everyone. I feel like Hapa is giving Oats way too much slack for his shoddy play. Hapa's lack of scum reads disturbs me a bit, but he's low on my priority list right now. I'm not gonna call anyone scum for disagreeing with me. I'm just a bit disappointed that Hapa doesn't agree with me =(
Objectively bad play ("shoddy" play) isn't necessary scummy. For example, spurr-of-the-moment, crazy, emotional play is often 100% pure columbian townie. You seem suspicious of Oats for his sudden 180 on you, but I view that as fairly townie. He's not interested in covering his tracks, and despite him thinking you're town, isn't very interested in buddying you or being your friend. I can't detect a coherent scum/survivalist mentality.
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On June 21 2013 16:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 16:05 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 16:02 Ange777 wrote:
@Cora: What do you make of the fact that despite that quote Hapa now gave Oats a clear town read? Well it's not like I'm going to convince everyone. I feel like Hapa is giving Oats way too much slack for his shoddy play. Hapa's lack of scum reads disturbs me a bit, but he's low on my priority list right now. I'm not gonna call anyone scum for disagreeing with me. I'm just a bit disappointed that Hapa doesn't agree with me =( Objectively bad play ("shoddy" play) isn't necessary scummy. For example, spurr-of-the-moment, crazy, emotional play is often 100% pure columbian townie. You seem suspicious of Oats for his sudden 180 on you, but I view that as fairly townie. He's not interested in covering his tracks, and despite him thinking you're town, isn't very interested in buddying you or being your friend. I can't detect a coherent scum/survivalist mentality.
Then what do you make of the fact that he hasn't contributed much to the discussion and has only managed to murk up the thread will really silly sheeping/unexplained arguments and acting like an idiot.
I'm pretty sure he only called me town to get me to stop attacking him. It didn't work.
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Okay I'm out for realsies.
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Talking to hapa in the 2nd part.
And this
I'm pretty sure he only called me town to get me to stop attacking him. It didn't work.
is not accurate in determining alignment.
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