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@ GK
On June 21 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:59 goodkarma wrote:
@Hapa:
Why you unvote Oats? Because his play so far has been based on antagonizing every single person in the thread. There's no scum survival instinct in his play. He's playing like a paranoid townie. Which is why I have severe objections to how you interpreted his play so far: On June 21 2013 14:55 goodkarma wrote:
I'd say that right now I'm most suspicious of Oats.
He's called multiple people scum already, including: Cora, Hapa, DP, and has sheeped onto Yamato. But what I've failed to see from him is conviction in his reads. This is something I've seen from Oatsmaster in the past, even this early into the game, and I'm not seeing it here.
Oats, care to explain your current thoughts on DP and Hapa? I have no idea how you associate any of this with scum-behavior. Firstly, "lack of conviction" seems the exact opposite of his play thusfar. Sure he doesn't have great justifications for his reads (which is normal on Day 1), but he seems to have as much "conviction" as possible. Secondly, calling multiple people scum is completely non-alignment indicative, and might even be a town-tell (paranoia, natural suspicion, etc). You are holding "townie conviction" to an immeasurably high standard. If there's anyone that has "conviction" about their reads so far, it's Oats. And hell it's early Day 1 - are you expecting the guy to have one clear scumread already or something? Different people play scum in different ways. You say that the way Oats has played so far would be impossible for scum because there's "no survival instinct." I would strongly disagree with that. Oats so far hasn't really persay tunneled anyone all that hard. Coming from a game where he (as town) literally devoted all his energies to trying to get me lynched, his play this game is dramatically different. Sure, it's early and he could maybe not have that guy he's feeling really strongly is scum, but it is odd that he can so lightly jump on and off of people the way he has. Especially what he did with Yamato felt a bit off to me, more or less completely sheeping thread sentiment while entirely abandoning any focus on his prior scumreads. I really haven't seen this "lack of survival instinct" you seem to have. This is a guy that as town waves his arms in the air and begs to get mislynched or vigshot for how scummy he looks. Here, I'd say he's not really acting like that.
He's already tunnelled a couple of people and is the most active person in this thread. I have no idea how you can interpret his play about having a lack of conviction.
In regards to him tunneling the hell out of you in "I Swear" Mini, you should know full well that he tunneled you on Day 2 of the game. How is that all relevant towards his play in the first few hours in the game, in which it is near impossible to have anything with which to mega-tunnel someone.
Can you point to me to any of his town-games in which he acts to the degree you attribute his play to within the first few hours of Day 1?
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On June 21 2013 15:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
right gk.
You dont have games where you see this scumclaim and then push it?
And then other games where you dont?
I'm sorry, but who scumslipped and where?
I strongly agree with gk's points, and that is why my vote is still on you.
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On June 21 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
So much exaggeration GK. So much.
Also yamato is totes scum and why isnt everyone voting for him?
You could be right. I don't like how he disappeared when the pressure was off.
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gk scumclaimed last game.
I dont see anything like that so far.
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On June 21 2013 15:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
So much exaggeration GK. So much.
Also yamato is totes scum and why isnt everyone voting for him? You could be right. I don't like how he disappeared when the pressure was off.
NVM it's late in US he probably went to bed. I'm going to wait and see what he does tomorrow.
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yamato stays up pretty late normally though.
But yeah.
What do you think of GK and hapa DP?
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On June 21 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
gk scumclaimed last game.
I dont see anything like that so far.
Ah I understand now.
It still doesn't take away the fact that you've been very wishy-washy in all of your actions so far. You've only been defending yourself in really illogical ways and attacking whoever has been on the chopping block. It doesn't look like you're trying to help town, it looks like you're making weak pokes at people and trying to represent them as being productive when it really isn't./
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On June 21 2013 15:33 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
gk scumclaimed last game.
I dont see anything like that so far.
Ah I understand now. It still doesn't take away the fact that you've been very wishy-washy in all of your actions so far. You've only been defending yourself in really illogical ways and attacking whoever has been on the chopping block. It doesn't look like you're trying to help town, it looks like you're making weak pokes at people and trying to represent them as being productive when it really isn't./
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quotes please
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On June 21 2013 15:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey GK? what you think of yamato. Scum or town?
I can relate to his methodology of using process of elimination to determine scum, as this is the way I like to play. And I'd say it's possible that he came to the conclusions he did with said methodology. Especially considering the majority of this thread to date has been trollish nonsense rather than real scumhunting. He's a null read for me right now. Which in itself is a little odd, considering I quickly (and correctly) concluded he was town when playing with him in Les Mafia.
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whats with scumreads because someone isnt obv town?
thats way not close to accurate
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On June 21 2013 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna lynch cora seriously now.
1. He wants to waste his vote
2. He actually feels the need to justify his vote on marv
On June 21 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cora is town.
On June 21 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP and hapa are scum.
On June 21 2013 14:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
because you [Hapa] are wrong. and scum. Mostly wrong though.
First of all there is the 180 on me because it was obvious no one agreed with you.
Then it was the only semi-explained reasoning for DP, Hapa, and Yamato scum.
It doesn't equate to much contribution. I see a whole lot of nothing in your filter, and that's not good seeing as it's three pages already.
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On June 21 2013 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato stays up pretty late normally though.
But yeah.
What do you think of GK and hapa DP?
They are both wait and see people like every game.
GK has the ability to completely stomp a scum team, but takes a long while to get going and has recently tended to get bogged down in defending himself rather than catching scum. Nothing really alignment indicative either way at this point to be honest. But when GK get's rolling it should be pretty clear if he is town or not. Scum GK just never gets rolling.
Hapa is pretty useless as scum and his cases aren't as good as they are as town. Fairly obvious, he hasn't done anything I have really loved yet. But I am confident he will either be really obv town or be fairly obvious scum later.
Hapa is leaning town though because he was upset people didn't ask him about his read on you. That sort of shit screams townie to me.
At the moment obvious is like totally ignoring me calling him scummy. Which is weird. Like he flamed me hard in our last game. And his first post where he was willing to policy lynch his town read is scummy as shit.
Yamato needs to do something that isn't backflipping off his scum reads that were never scum reads or whatever the fuck he was doing. I know yamato can be valuable as town. So if he isn;' I will push for his lynch.
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180s cause I change my mind.
I didnt explain DP and hapa cause i didnt want to.
Also cause yamato scumclaimed!
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On June 21 2013 15:39 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna lynch cora seriously now.
1. He wants to waste his vote
2. He actually feels the need to justify his vote on marv
Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
because you [Hapa] are wrong. and scum. Mostly wrong though. First of all there is the 180 on me because it was obvious no one agreed with you. Then it was the only semi-explained reasoning for DP, Hapa, and Yamato scum. It doesn't equate to much contribution. I see a whole lot of nothing in your filter, and that's not good seeing as it's three pages already.
Do you agree or disagree with what hapa said about townies often being paranoid and casting suspicion on many different people for this reason?
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On June 21 2013 15:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
180s cause I change my mind.
I didnt explain DP and hapa cause i didnt want to.
Also cause yamato scumclaimed!
I really don't believe you would've "changed your mind" your reasonings for me being scum were so weak and stupid that you shouldn't have posted them in the first place.
"I didn't want to" isn't a good response at all. I just read it as "I don't have a real reason".
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On June 21 2013 15:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:39 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna lynch cora seriously now.
1. He wants to waste his vote
2. He actually feels the need to justify his vote on marv
On June 21 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cora is town.
On June 21 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP and hapa are scum.
On June 21 2013 14:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
because you [Hapa] are wrong. and scum. Mostly wrong though. First of all there is the 180 on me because it was obvious no one agreed with you. Then it was the only semi-explained reasoning for DP, Hapa, and Yamato scum. It doesn't equate to much contribution. I see a whole lot of nothing in your filter, and that's not good seeing as it's three pages already. Do you agree or disagree with what hapa said about townies often being paranoid and casting suspicion on many different people for this reason?
I think it can be done as scum as well. Hell I did it in NMM XXXIII. I went after multiple targets over the course of the game and managed to still look "town".
Yes it's something that townies do, but it's definitely still in the scum playbook.
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On June 21 2013 15:48 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
180s cause I change my mind.
I didnt explain DP and hapa cause i didnt want to.
Also cause yamato scumclaimed! I really don't believe you would've "changed your mind" your reasonings for me being scum were so weak and stupid that you shouldn't have posted them in the first place. "I didn't want to" isn't a good response at all. I just read it as "I don't have a real reason".
I dont have a reason I can articulate at this point.
Anyway I dont think they are scum anymore.
Wait.
So I am only allowed to change my mind when I have good reasons and not bad reasons?
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On June 21 2013 15:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:48 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 15:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
180s cause I change my mind.
I didnt explain DP and hapa cause i didnt want to.
Also cause yamato scumclaimed! I really don't believe you would've "changed your mind" your reasonings for me being scum were so weak and stupid that you shouldn't have posted them in the first place. "I didn't want to" isn't a good response at all. I just read it as "I don't have a real reason". I dont have a reason I can articulate at this point. Anyway I dont think they are scum anymore. Wait. So I am only allowed to change my mind when I have good reasons and not bad reasons?
Well there needs to be an actual reason for the change of heart.
If you don't have anything useful to say, why say all of this stupid shit? You're just shitting up the thread if that is the case.
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