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On June 21 2013 15:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Hapa says im a policy lynch then like a few minutes later says hes not gonna vote for an obv townie when its clear that Im not gonna get lynched today.
I dont get his attitude this game, its like really angry and stuff and not happy hapa.
DP currently has no scum reads after unvoting yamato. I dont see why he dropped that push. Nothing makes me think that yamato is bad rather than scum.
It's because he is explaining everything quickly and it seems consistent. I obviously don't agree with it at all and I think it's stupid to call 'null' tells suspicious or whatever, but is is reasonable enough to make me not want to lynch him as a potentially valuable townie.
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On June 21 2013 14:59 goodkarma wrote:
@Hapa:
Why you unvote Oats?
Because his play so far has been based on antagonizing every single person in the thread. There's no scum survival instinct in his play.
He's playing like a paranoid townie. Which is why I have severe objections to how you interpreted his play so far:
On June 21 2013 14:55 goodkarma wrote:
I'd say that right now I'm most suspicious of Oats.
He's called multiple people scum already, including: Cora, Hapa, DP, and has sheeped onto Yamato. But what I've failed to see from him is conviction in his reads. This is something I've seen from Oatsmaster in the past, even this early into the game, and I'm not seeing it here.
Oats, care to explain your current thoughts on DP and Hapa?
I have no idea how you associate any of this with scum-behavior. Firstly, "lack of conviction" seems the exact opposite of his play thusfar. Sure he doesn't have great justifications for his reads (which is normal on Day 1), but he seems to have as much "conviction" as possible.
Secondly, calling multiple people scum is completely non-alignment indicative, and might even be a town-tell (paranoia, natural suspicion, etc).
You are holding "townie conviction" to an immeasurably high standard. If there's anyone that has "conviction" about their reads so far, it's Oats. And hell it's early Day 1 - are you expecting the guy to have one clear scumread already or something?
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hapa just bought himself a spot on my scum list with his "omg guys look at me talking about me wanting you guys to talk about me in thread omg wow its sooo edgy i could never be scum ok thx bby"
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Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you.
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coag makes me laugh, hes town
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On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you.
thinking is useful.
Tunneling is not.
I dont care what it looks like
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On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you.
It's cause your obv town. He just took longer to admit it. 
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On June 21 2013 15:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
coag makes me laugh, hes town
While I'd use this heuristic for most players, Coag is known as more of a troll, so this is normal for him as either alignment methinks.
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Hey GK? what you think of yamato. Scum or town?
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will ShiaoPi ever post anything meaningful ?
His filter reads like kenpachi.
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On June 21 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you. thinking is useful. Tunneling is not. I dont care what it looks like
If I say this post makes oats look townier does that mean I have to give up the marv is confirmed scum status?
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On June 21 2013 15:13 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you. thinking is useful. Tunneling is not. I dont care what it looks like If I say this post makes oats look townier does that mean I have to give up the marv is confirmed scum status?
All we want is something useful from you. I believe in you. You can do it.
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On June 21 2013 15:15 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:13 Coagulation wrote:On June 21 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you. thinking is useful. Tunneling is not. I dont care what it looks like If I say this post makes oats look townier does that mean I have to give up the marv is confirmed scum status? All we want is something useful from you. I believe in you. You can do it.
on a scale of 1-10 how useful would shooting you night 1 for town be?
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On June 21 2013 15:05 Hapahauli wrote:Because his play so far has been based on antagonizing every single person in the thread. There's no scum survival instinct in his play. He's playing like a paranoid townie. Which is why I have severe objections to how you interpreted his play so far: Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:55 goodkarma wrote:
I'd say that right now I'm most suspicious of Oats.
He's called multiple people scum already, including: Cora, Hapa, DP, and has sheeped onto Yamato. But what I've failed to see from him is conviction in his reads. This is something I've seen from Oatsmaster in the past, even this early into the game, and I'm not seeing it here.
Oats, care to explain your current thoughts on DP and Hapa? I have no idea how you associate any of this with scum-behavior. Firstly, "lack of conviction" seems the exact opposite of his play thusfar. Sure he doesn't have great justifications for his reads (which is normal on Day 1), but he seems to have as much "conviction" as possible. Secondly, calling multiple people scum is completely non-alignment indicative, and might even be a town-tell (paranoia, natural suspicion, etc). You are holding "townie conviction" to an immeasurably high standard. If there's anyone that has "conviction" about their reads so far, it's Oats. And hell it's early Day 1 - are you expecting the guy to have one clear scumread already or something?
Different people play scum in different ways. You say that the way Oats has played so far would be impossible for scum because there's "no survival instinct." I would strongly disagree with that. Oats so far hasn't really persay tunneled anyone all that hard. Coming from a game where he (as town) literally devoted all his energies to trying to get me lynched, his play this game is dramatically different. Sure, it's early and he could maybe not have that guy he's feeling really strongly is scum, but it is odd that he can so lightly jump on and off of people the way he has. Especially what he did with Yamato felt a bit off to me, more or less completely sheeping thread sentiment while entirely abandoning any focus on his prior scumreads.
I really haven't seen this "lack of survival instinct" you seem to have. This is a guy that as town waves his arms in the air and begs to get mislynched or vigshot for how scummy he looks. Here, I'd say he's not really acting like that.
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On June 21 2013 15:18 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:15 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 15:13 Coagulation wrote:On June 21 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you. thinking is useful. Tunneling is not. I dont care what it looks like If I say this post makes oats look townier does that mean I have to give up the marv is confirmed scum status? All we want is something useful from you. I believe in you. You can do it. on a scale of 1-10 how useful would shooting you night 1 for town be?
What in the world does that have anything to do with what I asked you...
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On June 21 2013 14:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 13:49 Hapahauli wrote:
In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read. I'm getting town vibes from Oats. He's not begging to be sheeped yet, which from my recent game on OMGUS was the trigger that made me think about his play and ended up with me getting a scum read on him day 1. He did that in Carnival, too, (later in the game) where he was town, but he ended up flipping cop. What I think this means about him is that when he has more information (be it cop or scum), he is much more confident in his pushes even if they are nonsensical. I'm not getting that confidence vibe from Oats here. What you said is mostly correct, however. He is a good policy lynch if it comes down to one. He mucks up the thread with his random interjections. His tunnels can be beyond paranoid. I don't see a reason to think he's mafia. As far as the other stuff in the thread is concerned, the only thing nobody has touched on yet is that Coag popped in just to vote for Marv and then went radio silent. Very back-seat driver. I can't remember any games I've played with him so I want to take a quick look at his older games for the sake of establishing a baseline of expectations. Coag, what do you think about Oats and my thoughts regarding him? Are you going to hit-and-run style post all game?
I just don't get how someone could spend a whole paragraph explaining how someone is town and then in the very next sentence be willing to policy lynch that same person.
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So much exaggeration GK. So much.
Also yamato is totes scum and why isnt everyone voting for him?
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##unvote marv
nah just kidding
##vote marv
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On June 21 2013 15:22 Coagulation wrote:
##unvote marv
nah just kidding
##vote marv
Thank you. That was SO GODDAMN USEFUL.
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right gk.
You dont have games where you see this scumclaim and then push it?
And then other games where you dont?
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