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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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On June 21 2013 19:18 DarthPunk wrote: I actually thought about this while i was watching TV and the comment marv made about handing out town reads like candy. That is actually something scum often do because they find it difficult to form scum reads. So it sort of lends credence to the idea that if his process has changed it has become scummier. Also marvs town read on him is based on yamato's personality from what i can tell. Yes, I've played practically every game yamato has played, or if not I've obsed those games. It's just how I view his plays. As for the townreads, as a general point it's correct, but in this case he's not pretending to make effort by going "x is town because of y", he's making a blanket statement. For a similar example, see Hero Mini Mafia: On December 10 2012 16:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Name someone you find scummy this game. Can't? Okay. Process of elimination. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also that was like ~5 into the game maybe? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 21 2013 19:15 Oatsmaster wrote: marv and rayn, what do you guys think of ange? Her questions seem a bit out of the place. She says Coag needs investigating but is questioning other people. I liked her question about your ShiaoPi read though as that's exactly what i thought at that time. I don't get how she questions your "bad reasoning for reads" and then says you "have reasoned your reads well enough" after with little to no questioning about them. She's worth looking into and atm i would label her more likely to be scum than town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 21 2013 19:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats wbg not yamato. Also that was like ~5 into the game maybe? It's irrelevant who it was, I was pointing out that it's a thought process I've seen townies use before. Do you see mafia say "I think the whole town is fine, except x and y"? If so, when? Because I can't think of anything. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I think that's very different what you just said here. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 21 2013 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why can't you marv understand that this is not what yamato is saying. He is sayiong "the whole town is fine besides X and Y" and when asked about it he is saying "actually the whole town is null, including X and Y, besides Z". I think that's very different what you just said here. I do understand, I just don't attach the importance that you do to it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
why arent you convincing us to vote for shiao pi? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I don't get it. ShiaoPi is scum for calling yamato scum, which you describe as "horribly lazy comment". yamato is town for calling people town and worrysome when they in fact were null for him. How is that not a "horribly lazy comment" in the first place? Does ShiaoPi do that as scum but not as town? Can you back that up somehow? There is something that worries me in ShiaoPi's comment about yamato, but i'm not going to reveal it yet. Can anyone see what that is? ShiaoPi; elaborate your read on yamato please. Anyone else you find scummy here at the moment? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 21 2013 19:25 marvellosity wrote: It's irrelevant who it was, I was pointing out that it's a thought process I've seen townies use before. Do you see mafia say "I think the whole town is fine, except x and y"? If so, when? Because I can't think of anything. No doubt is it a legitimate way to play the game. Eliminating townreads is something everyone does. The problem is he almost arbitrarily gave everyone town reads except myself and coag when it wasn't actually possible to have established so many town reads. Then backtracked on his scum reads or whatever they were hard under pressure. Like at this point the technique is useless because his town reads were meaningless. I'd be less worried if he thought we were null for not looking townie, but he clearly cast suspicion on us for absolutely no legitimate reason. Yamato is still definitely a question in this game regardless of how you feel about his personality. But i think we need to give him some time to contribute/explain himself. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 21 2013 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv: I don't get it. ShiaoPi is scum for calling yamato scum, which you describe as "horribly lazy comment". yamato is town for calling people town and worrysome when they in fact were null for him. How is that not a "horribly lazy comment" in the first place? Does ShiaoPi do that as scum but not as town? Can you back that up somehow? There is something that worries me in ShiaoPi's comment about yamato, but i'm not going to reveal it yet. Can anyone see what that is? ShiaoPi; elaborate your read on yamato please. Anyone else you find scummy here at the moment? Here's the thing, rayn. Everyone in mafia is not equal and different things are scummy for different players. Applying what yamato did to what Shiao did is a false equivalent, and I've explained how and why I view what yamato did. Further, as a reminder: On June 21 2013 18:48 marvellosity wrote: In what world do mafia make such an obvious [in]consistency within such a short span of time? Certainly not one I play in, do you? As for Shiao, I'm not going to be drawing meta comparisons to justify looking into one bad comment. The simple fact is that he a) posted something for the sake of posting b) was too lazy to check on what he was asking himself c) implied yamato was 'scummy as shit' without every even attempting to explain why he thought that, and disappearing. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I understand you better. That's also why i refer to games i have played with certain people when using meta on them and when judging their actions. Because in games i have played i have better feel of why people are saying the stuff they are, i know the game better. Here's what i find out to be different in yamato's scum/town play. He is aggressive as either alignment. In his town game i have played with him (LXI) (i only look at games where i was town, because i am playing in town!mentality which is different from my scum!mentality) yamato was calling out people he wanted to kill and there were many of them. He only after some time called some people town, but that was more into D1 than what's here. In his scumgame (RED) he made a sucky case on Dandel and defended that case into oblivion and kinda got caught during that process. While i don't think this opening of yamato does not straight up maen he's scum based on meta, it's very different form of "aggression" in terms of meta (by aggression i mean certainities he is using, hope you get what i mean). What i know of yamato's town!play, he wants to lynch people he finds suspicious from the beginning, even without strong evidence. Here he is doing the opposite, he is calling people town with no strong evidence (which he has said to be the case himself). That's why i am voting for him. About ShiaoPi: I get your case on him. I am mostly worried about how he approached the yamato situation as well. Especially his wording, as he said "yamato is so pro @ looking scum as either alignment". Does ShiaoPi really think yamato is scum or not? Because that bolded part screams to me that he seems to be knowing yamato is town somehow. I need more input from both of them because i do not think they are both scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
What do you think of Ange DP? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 21 2013 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably because the discussion topics need to give some input. What do you think of Ange DP? Not really much to go off to be honest. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Could you elaborate a little more? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 21 2013 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think she has a clear train of thought? Could you elaborate a little more? No. I don't know what she is thinking when she asks her questions. I wish she would stick around and wait for the answers and participate in a discussion a bit, but what can you do. I seem to remember her playing the same way in my first newbie (in which she single handedly destroyed the entire scum team) | ||
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