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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#381
`Yeah i remember the hero medic game.

So far i'm interested to look more into yamato/ShioPi/Ange/Hapa/Coag, and to some extent OO.
Is there anyone you want to talk about since you are around?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 12:21 GMT
#382
I don't really know how it's possible to make a convincing enough case on coag to lynch him on Day 1, to be honest.

His policy/tunnel on me is meaningless, and he's actually posting. Even as a last resort I'm not sure how I could be convinced that he was a better option than another lurker I don't like the look of.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 12:26 GMT
#383
The thing with Coag is that i want him to give opinions on someone else than you. It doesn't even matter what alignment you are, this joke thingy with lynching you is bad as shit. Why not actually hunt scum besides calling you scum before you have not even posted?

Do you know how to read OO marv? What do you think of him at the moment? Also you didn't answer Oats' question about Ange. What do you think of her?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 12:30 GMT
#384
EBWOP: I apparently missed your "nothing at all yet" post. Is that really everything you have to say about her atm?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 12:31 GMT
#385
On June 21 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing with Coag is that i want him to give opinions on someone else than you. It doesn't even matter what alignment you are, this joke thingy with lynching you is bad as shit. Why not actually hunt scum besides calling you scum before you have not even posted?

Do you know how to read OO marv? What do you think of him at the moment? Also you didn't answer Oats' question about Ange. What do you think of her?


This was my answer on Ange:

On June 21 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
Nothing at all yet.


I've read OO correctly in the past - as town in Red Team, as mafia in Hydra 1. The counterpoint to this is I most recently read him incorrectly in a game on omgus (not helped by the fact he disappeared for the last 24 hours of day 1) and also he put in a pretty nice performance as replacement scum in Smurf Mafia. In short I no longer feel that confident in "meta"ing him, beyond involvedness/give-a-shitness.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 12:32 GMT
#386
Yes, that's really everything I have to say about her.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 12:33 GMT
#387
As a sort of sidenote, this game is actually pretty full of people I don't have a confident meta handle on. I'd say yamato and Hapa I'd feel ok making some sort of meta read on, everyone else is just in the air mostly. Which should make the game challenging/fun and make me really concentrate on the game itself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 21 2013 12:41 GMT
#388
On June 21 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: I apparently missed your "nothing at all yet" post. Is that really everything you have to say about her atm?


Like what do you expect people to say about her? shea hasn't done anything but ask some questions.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 12:47 GMT
#389
On June 21 2013 21:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: I apparently missed your "nothing at all yet" post. Is that really everything you have to say about her atm?


Like what do you expect people to say about her? shea hasn't done anything but ask some questions.

Ehh.. What do they think about her questions and if they make sense? Because to me they don't (besides her question to Oats). To me it sounds like she is just dropping off random questions with no follow up. I know she is at least supposed to be a strong player if town and i am not seeing it here.

You should always have an opinion on everyone since they have posted, because you should look at every post from town/scum point of view, and from which they make more sense. "Nothing at all" is not really a satisfying answer to me from marvellosity. There is no analysis.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 12:48 GMT
#390
Probably because I don't feel the need to justify every null read I have to you, rayn. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 12:49 GMT
#391
marv, how strong a read is shiao pi for you and do you think anyone else is scum?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 12:53 GMT
#392
On June 21 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, how strong a read is shiao pi for you and do you think anyone else is scum?


Fairly weak given it's based on one or two posts + disappearance. No-one else has said/done enough for me to think they're scummy right now. Like, I could say that I'm waiting to see where goodkarma goes after his case/posts on you, but realistically that's just me waiting to see what he does next. Or that slOosh dropped one post and then disappeared. There's not that much to say about it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#393
Sorry guys my internet connection is super unstable right now. I should get a better connection in the evening (EU timezone).
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 13:23 GMT
#394
I actually do think GK's read on Oats is pretty shitty.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 13:32 GMT
#395
On June 21 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I actually do think GK's read on Oats is pretty shitty.


Yes, it's really not the best. I went back and checked given you were kind enough to bring it up.

On June 21 2013 15:54 goodkarma wrote:

It was the first few hours I was in the game, so as far as I'm concerned it was day one. And it was based off my first post, so he literally is capable of megatunneling off basically nothing... But that's not really my main issue with him. I'm still having trouble understanding how he can so easily forget about you and DP when jumping onto Yamato. Also have you learned your lesson from Axel and Shao last game? Activity =/= towniness. Oats is always pretty active, so that's not particularly indicative of anything.


The bolded part in particular made me go back and check what was going on. Oats threw out a couple of random scumreads on DP and Hapa, and then moved on to yamato with

On June 21 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote:

In other news, yamato is looking awfully scummy for not being able to back up his read


which is an actual reason.

What I don't understand is why goodkarma would think that Oats would be particularly attached to scumreads that he hasn't developed and just threw out there. Is the thought process "these guys give me scummy feels -> this different guy is scum because he can't back up his reads" really so difficult to understand from a townie perspective?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 13:41 GMT
#396
I have a problem with his "case" because he is calling Oats scum for meta-reasons (which he does not really describe well - i'm not sure if he is saying this is because of meta or not). And this game Oats is playing to his town meta imo. GK says Oats is scum because he is not playing to his town meta (lacking aggressiveness if i read that correctly?), but he does not describe how this is similar to his scum meta, he just says "Oats could do this as mafia". About Oats forgetting about people and hopping on different things. I find that to be a trademark for Oats' townplay and GK in my opinion incorrectly says this is a scum-tell from Oats.

And i don't see, if he thinks this way, what makes Oats/yamato different? Why is he not commenting on yamato but only to Oats? He is not looking Oats' jump on yamato in a perspective that Oats might be town. In fact he does not comment the yamato issue in any way.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 21 2013 14:02 GMT
#397
gk's case on oats is pretty trash. Gut feeling says scum to me at the moment, maybe because it feels a lot like his posting last game, where we both were scum.

##vote: goodkarma

oh yamato is nullish dude who looks scummy if that clarification was needed
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 14:05 GMT
#398
ShiaoPi why did you felt the need to say yamato is good at looking scum as town and as scum? How does that help you to determine anyone's alignment?
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 21 2013 14:08 GMT
#399
Because that is what yamato does (at least in my memory)? Yes, it does not help anyone to determine his alignment right now, but what did you expect, words of wisdom in every post I do on day 1? It's just something to keep in mind.

I am thinking you are blowing this way out of proportion
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 14:14 GMT
#400
So you agree you were saying something just for sake of saying something?
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