EPTI was just talking about Yamato's meta. I'm not sure where you guys are going with this. If I was Yamato's scummate, I would have told him how to look townie in the QT and not in the thread. So your point is moot.
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I was just talking about Yamato's meta. I'm not sure where you guys are going with this. If I was Yamato's scummate, I would have told him how to look townie in the QT and not in the thread. So your point is moot. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:32 ShiaoPi wrote: I think mainly based on gut feeling and comparison with the last game as scum we had together. Cant remember the last time goodkarma rolled town with me playing as well. Also you just objectively judged that the case is terribad, so why do you need so much meta? Meta is much more of a helpful factor in my opinion not necessarily the argument to get somebody lynched. So I see gk doing that case on oats which is scummy as shit and then compare it to his play in I swear, I think its similar so it reinforces my scumread on him... To be honest I don't even know what your problem is My problem is that you are voting for GK based on meta, because he once made a bad case against someone as scum. Guess what? Townies make bad cases too, especially early on in the game. I am not saying i think GK is town, but you seem to be so sure he is scum because of this meta you are describing, especially when you are under attack from some people now. If you are going to make a meta case at least get your facts straight. Look at Les Mafia, look at GK's case on me and tell me that the case GK made can only come from a scum!GK. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:34 cDgCorazon wrote: Replace "will" with "usually" and maybe you'll understand. I was just talking about Yamato's meta. I'm not sure where you guys are going with this. If I was Yamato's scummate, I would have told him how to look townie in the QT and not in the thread. So your point is moot. Have some cake! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/izgw6sH.png) | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I was deciding whether to put him into scum camp or null because of his playstyle. Look at oats for example, he is somebody whose play regardless of alignment is at first glance pretty similar, so if a player like oats does something scummy I accept it as part of his usual behaviour of inconsistency etc. and do not focus too much of it until I see a clearer scumtell from my point of view. With yamato I had left over feeling that he was scummy either way, coupled with his posts which are scummy if you look at them isolated without prior knowledge of his play. I thought: hmm maybe he is more a oats kind of player who inevitably will look scummy at some point. Next thing is I ask my question to the thread to confirm my leftover feelings, hapa does not really tell me, corazon talks about a game I have not obsed/read, dp also has trouble differentiating between bad and scum on yamato. I know DP and hapa to be good players, dont know corazon so I arbitrarily decide to ignore corazon. See my feelings kinda confirmed and put yamato as null | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: So why did you post that? +1 Cora, your answers do not please me at all. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem is that you are voting for GK based on meta, because he once made a bad case against someone as scum. Guess what? Townies make bad cases too, especially early on in the game. I am not saying i think GK is town, but you seem to be so sure he is scum because of this meta you are describing, especially when you are under attack from some people now. If you are going to make a meta case at least get your facts straight. Look at Les Mafia, look at GK's case on me and tell me that the case GK made can only come from a scum!GK. its not specifically a meta case, meta is just supportive of objectively scummy play by fabricating a case based on a players inconsistent, wild playstyle | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: So why did you post that? So I explain my reasoning for a possible vote on Yamato later. Since many people are all for doing things without explaining them, I thought I would make things a bit easier for everyone...showing that pro-town atmosphere that a lot of you decide to not show. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:42 ShiaoPi wrote: @marv: I was deciding whether to put him into scum camp or null because of his playstyle. Look at oats for example, he is somebody whose play regardless of alignment is at first glance pretty similar, so if a player like oats does something scummy I accept it as part of his usual behaviour of inconsistency etc. and do not focus too much of it until I see a clearer scumtell from my point of view. With yamato I had left over feeling that he was scummy either way, coupled with his posts which are scummy if you look at them isolated without prior knowledge of his play. I thought: hmm maybe he is more a oats kind of player who inevitably will look scummy at some point. Next thing is I ask my question to the thread to confirm my leftover feelings, hapa does not really tell me, corazon talks about a game I have not obsed/read, dp also has trouble differentiating between bad and scum on yamato. I know DP and hapa to be good players, dont know corazon so I arbitrarily decide to ignore corazon. See my feelings kinda confirmed and put yamato as null Personally I feel like yamato is pretty good at demonstrating his towniness, even if not *always* in productive ways (but usually). In my eyes he's been inexplicably lynched by towns a couple of times when he was town. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now as you're earnestly explaining yourself. I'm just going to attribute it to laziness (for now)  ##Unvote | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:43 cDgCorazon wrote: So I explain my reasoning for a possible vote on Yamato later. Since many people are all for doing things without explaining them, I thought I would make things a bit easier for everyone...showing that pro-town atmosphere that a lot of you decide to not show. No, you are explaining you will vote for yamato if he does X instead of Y. You are basically explaining why you will NOT vote for yamato later... | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
what is your current read on GK anyway? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
This looks a lot like covering your ass. And scared play. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Why so scared Cora? This looks a lot like covering your ass. And scared play. Am I scum again? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Explain to me how picking to attack me on what thread consensus has already determined to be a bad discussion point isn't in fact attacking an "easy target"? And while you're at it please tell me if that means I should assume you're scum? I will hold discussion on whatever the fuck I feel is relevant to finding scum. I really don't care if you find who I discuss "easy," and if you were to do any legwork at all you'd find I frequently look into people you might consider "easy" on day one. To me, day one is all about generating discussion and a pro-town atmosphere. To that end, I constantly look at lurkers (something I haven't done this game all that much) and have what you might consider "weaker" discussion points about more active people just to get a better idea of where their alignment stands. I was mostly interested in this singular point on Oatsmaster: Why would he so eagerly jump his suspicions onto Yamato while ignoring his earlier reads? That was it. I actually do like his explanations, although I disagree with them, on DP and Hapa. At least I can visualize how a town Oats could come to such conclusions. The thing with his play this game is that it's dramatically different than what I saw of his townplay last game, and I'm still working to make sense of it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:49 ShiaoPi wrote: @rayn: what is your current read on GK anyway? I don't know yet. On the other hand his case on Oats is bad for reasons i have stated, on the other hand he has made an equally bad case on me in Les Mafia where i was town. I know townies do not always get their facts straight (like GK in Les mafia) and i need to hear more from him. I also didn't like the fact that he was unwilling to comment on yamato for same reasons he was accusing Oats, so i'm leaning on scum on him from what he has said. I understand your point on GK a bit better, but given that i do not know his alignment and i do not know your alignment, your latest entrance in thread seemed to me like you were trying to bring up some other suspect than yourself (which was also discussed in thread at that time). So, do you have any thoughts on other players than GK? Mainly yamato/Hapa/Ange? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
you can assume that i am scum if that pleases you, I dont really care?! I don't see any difference in oats' play between here and I swear so I have him pretty firmly in town at the moment. Your case just looks like cooking up stuff, which is especially easy on oats since he is inconsistent and likes to switch his focus around a fair amount. tell me about dramatically differences in oats play. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
slowly moving that way. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Well seeing as you've changed your read on me twice, I really can't take you seriously anymore. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:43 ShiaoPi wrote: its not specifically a meta case, meta is just supportive of objectively scummy play by fabricating a case based on a players inconsistent, wild playstyle If your case isn't based on meta, then why are you drawing on your experience with me from last game to incorrectly reach the conclusion that I'm scum this game? You in fact are relying in part on meta here... And without any kind of understanding of my townplay as a baseline to work from at that... I would be very interested in knowing who else you think is scum, or if I'm your one and only scumread atm? | ||
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