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Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 21 2013 16:00 GMT
#441
crap, completely forgot about this again when I got home. I'll post tomorrow
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 21 2013 16:01 GMT
#442
On June 22 2013 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you can assume that i am scum if that pleases you, I dont really care?!
I don't see any difference in oats' play between here and I swear so I have him pretty firmly in town at the moment. Your case just looks like cooking up stuff, which is especially easy on oats since he is inconsistent and likes to switch his focus around a fair amount.

tell me about dramatically differences in oats play.


For one thing, he endlessly clung onto a scum target and spammed "kill him" much further explanation for half the game. He seemed just overall to be much more in your face with his reads than he is here. He feels a bit more distanced and level-headed here.

People say he's being dickish and arrogant, but this game he's been far more tame than last game.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 16:01 GMT
#443
Sylencia seems super-invested in this game ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 21 2013 16:02 GMT
#444
@rayn:
Hapa needs to post more for me to make a good read on him. While I agree with the direction his play has been so far, I am used to more activity from his side, so I prefer waiting on him.

yamato is in null camp as I already said

Regarding ange, dunno about the internet problems and how much they interfere with her play, but so far not impressed.

These 3 are all nullish reads right now.

People I dislike are gk, sloosh and to a lesser extent syl

gk for reasons already stated.

sloosh flat out disappeared, from what I remember he was kind of lurky but not that bad and the more he lurks the likelier it is that he is scum.

syl has done nothing so far, but it is eerily similiar to his play in I swear. He was survivor there so might be something to consider.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 16:02 GMT
#445
On June 22 2013 01:01 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you can assume that i am scum if that pleases you, I dont really care?!
I don't see any difference in oats' play between here and I swear so I have him pretty firmly in town at the moment. Your case just looks like cooking up stuff, which is especially easy on oats since he is inconsistent and likes to switch his focus around a fair amount.

tell me about dramatically differences in oats play.


For one thing, he endlessly clung onto a scum target and spammed "kill him" much further explanation for half the game. He seemed just overall to be much more in your face with his reads than he is here. He feels a bit more distanced and level-headed here.

People say he's being dickish and arrogant, but this game he's been far more tame than last game.


Can you explain how the change is scum-motivated?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 21 2013 16:04 GMT
#446
On June 22 2013 01:01 marvellosity wrote:
Sylencia seems super-invested in this game ^^


nah just busy day, and everything getting delayed in getting home because our train system is literally the worst
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 21 2013 16:05 GMT
#447
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 21 2013 16:06 GMT
#448
On June 22 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 01:01 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you can assume that i am scum if that pleases you, I dont really care?!
I don't see any difference in oats' play between here and I swear so I have him pretty firmly in town at the moment. Your case just looks like cooking up stuff, which is especially easy on oats since he is inconsistent and likes to switch his focus around a fair amount.

tell me about dramatically differences in oats play.


For one thing, he endlessly clung onto a scum target and spammed "kill him" much further explanation for half the game. He seemed just overall to be much more in your face with his reads than he is here. He feels a bit more distanced and level-headed here.

People say he's being dickish and arrogant, but this game he's been far more tame than last game.


Can you explain how the change is scum-motivated?


I'm not saying it necessarily is. I'm just not sure what to make of it yet.

It's like maybe he could do this as scum to stick out less. But at this point trying to interpret this behavioral change really is just speculation and WIFOM.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 16:08 GMT
#449
On June 22 2013 00:58 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 22 2013 00:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
On June 22 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why so scared Cora?
This looks a lot like covering your ass.
And scared play.


Am I scum again?

slowly moving that way.


Well seeing as you've changed your read on me twice, I really can't take you seriously anymore.

Well now you are the one jumping to conclusions.
Oh dear. Being hypocritical is bad.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 16:09 GMT
#450
DIE YAMATO.
KILL HIM WITH FIRE.
good enough for you GK?
No gg, No skill.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 21 2013 16:12 GMT
#451
On June 22 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.


Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game).
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 16:14 GMT
#452
On June 22 2013 01:12 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.


Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game).


The main issue with this is, GK, that your first couple of posts arising suspicion on Oats are primarily based on meta, or how you view his play last time he was town. The problem is, if you have selective/incomplete memory or you don't check, then it's at best not very useful at all, and at worst manipulative/deceitful. See what I'm saying?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 16:16 GMT
#453
Different games are different.

No gg, No skill.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 21 2013 16:21 GMT
#454
Yeah it's clear to me at this point that Oats is only trying to shit up the thread with stupid comments and not actually scumhunting.

This guy scum, we need to kill him.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2013 16:24 GMT
#455
On June 22 2013 01:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah it's clear to me at this point that Oats is only trying to shit up the thread with stupid comments and not actually scumhunting.

This guy scum, we need to kill him.

Its not surprising that you cant see the exact same thing that you did to me. poo.

yamato isnt in the thread, i think GK might be scum, I wanna lynch yamato today.
No gg, No skill.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 21 2013 16:25 GMT
#456
On June 22 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 01:12 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.


Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game).


The main issue with this is, GK, that your first couple of posts arising suspicion on Oats are primarily based on meta, or how you view his play last time he was town. The problem is, if you have selective/incomplete memory or you don't check, then it's at best not very useful at all, and at worst manipulative/deceitful. See what I'm saying?


This is obvious. I don't feel I've been misleading. He has been more level-headed this game...
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 16:29 GMT
#457
On June 22 2013 01:25 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:12 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.


Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game).


The main issue with this is, GK, that your first couple of posts arising suspicion on Oats are primarily based on meta, or how you view his play last time he was town. The problem is, if you have selective/incomplete memory or you don't check, then it's at best not very useful at all, and at worst manipulative/deceitful. See what I'm saying?


This is obvious. I don't feel I've been misleading. He has been more level-headed this game...


A couple of things. Firstly I think pretty much everyone else in the game isn't detecting any particular major deviation in Oats' play from normal. That's fine maybe, maybe you got something subtle that the rest of us didn't. The problem arises when you bring Oats up as a suspect / scumread because of your meta-read (which Shiao pointed out didn't quite hold true during the D1 you were referring to). It's precisely why I asked how you felt the change was scum-motivated. If you're bringing up a scum suspect on the basis of meta, you need to explain why the differences you bring up make him scum and not playing a slightly different style. In short:

a) maybe he has been more level-headed (?) but it's early and it's not something I (and others are picking up)
b) even if he is, why does that make him scum
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 21 2013 16:33 GMT
#458
On June 22 2013 01:02 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
Hapa needs to post more for me to make a good read on him. While I agree with the direction his play has been so far, I am used to more activity from his side, so I prefer waiting on him.

yamato is in null camp as I already said

Regarding ange, dunno about the internet problems and how much they interfere with her play, but so far not impressed.

These 3 are all nullish reads right now.

People I dislike are gk, sloosh and to a lesser extent syl

gk for reasons already stated.

sloosh flat out disappeared, from what I remember he was kind of lurky but not that bad and the more he lurks the likelier it is that he is scum.

syl has done nothing so far, but it is eerily similiar to his play in I swear. He was survivor there so might be something to consider.


This list is the very definition of "easy targets." And why are you in list form dishing out multiple null reads?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 21 2013 16:36 GMT
#459
On June 22 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 01:25 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:12 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.


Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game).


The main issue with this is, GK, that your first couple of posts arising suspicion on Oats are primarily based on meta, or how you view his play last time he was town. The problem is, if you have selective/incomplete memory or you don't check, then it's at best not very useful at all, and at worst manipulative/deceitful. See what I'm saying?


This is obvious. I don't feel I've been misleading. He has been more level-headed this game...


A couple of things. Firstly I think pretty much everyone else in the game isn't detecting any particular major deviation in Oats' play from normal. That's fine maybe, maybe you got something subtle that the rest of us didn't. The problem arises when you bring Oats up as a suspect / scumread because of your meta-read (which Shiao pointed out didn't quite hold true during the D1 you were referring to). It's precisely why I asked how you felt the change was scum-motivated. If you're bringing up a scum suspect on the basis of meta, you need to explain why the differences you bring up make him scum and not playing a slightly different style. In short:

a) maybe he has been more level-headed (?) but it's early and it's not something I (and others are picking up)
b) even if he is, why does that make him scum


For the last time: His play felt different, and I was working to make sense of why. He is not currently a scumread for me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2013 16:38 GMT
#460
On June 22 2013 01:36 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:25 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:12 goodkarma wrote:
On June 22 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you are doing comparison wrong. compare d1 and d1 not n1/d2 when he locked onto you.


Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game).


The main issue with this is, GK, that your first couple of posts arising suspicion on Oats are primarily based on meta, or how you view his play last time he was town. The problem is, if you have selective/incomplete memory or you don't check, then it's at best not very useful at all, and at worst manipulative/deceitful. See what I'm saying?


This is obvious. I don't feel I've been misleading. He has been more level-headed this game...


A couple of things. Firstly I think pretty much everyone else in the game isn't detecting any particular major deviation in Oats' play from normal. That's fine maybe, maybe you got something subtle that the rest of us didn't. The problem arises when you bring Oats up as a suspect / scumread because of your meta-read (which Shiao pointed out didn't quite hold true during the D1 you were referring to). It's precisely why I asked how you felt the change was scum-motivated. If you're bringing up a scum suspect on the basis of meta, you need to explain why the differences you bring up make him scum and not playing a slightly different style. In short:

a) maybe he has been more level-headed (?) but it's early and it's not something I (and others are picking up)
b) even if he is, why does that make him scum


For the last time: His play felt different, and I was working to make sense of why. He is not currently a scumread for me.


Have you made sense of why?

And the fact he's not *currently* a scumread doesn't change the fact you brought him up as the person you were "most suspicious of".

Why do you feel better about him now?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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