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On March 03 2012 06:07 Pandain wrote:
Also anyone who realizes about what Palmar is should note the same for Toast
Wait, when did Palmar come into this? You've accused me of being scum, so are you now implying that Palmar is scum too?
And his latest play is suspicious. The harsh reaction to Sandroba's bad vote reasoning, as well as to my quote of the above material, hes playing like he's mafia.
My harsh reaction? Really? I don't even have a vote on him, I've just pointed that his posts are weird and lurky, and he could very possibly be the SK. Why is it you call me out for this and not the one person who is actively seeking a lynch on him? Your reasoning is so selective here.
On March 03 2012 06:20 Pandain wrote:
How do you know what is correct? "They have correctly identified me as town", mafia do that all the time. In fact one of the best ways to gain town cred as mafia is to say "yeah this guy is innocent" when he's getting lynched.
So everyone who has declaired anybody as town this game is scum? Pandain, again your powers of absurd selective reasoning are beyond me. Everyone of the reasons you have used against me could be applied to half the people in this game. More rediculously the "core" of your evidence seems to stem from the ONE other full game of mafia I've played. Either you are a terrible town or you are scum trying to drum up a bandwagon. I'm beginning to think it's the latter.
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You don't let a scum go just because "they're improving". That's like:
Person A: Hey I think your hair is ugly!
Person B: HEY! But ok I'll fix it.
Person A: Ok Now your alright.
Its counter productive. What's the point of accusing them if the goal is "to improve". We lynch scum, we don't lynch lurkers.
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I'm not lurking, I just don't have the same amount of time that I used to have to play mafia and make big posts. On that note I'm heading out, it's friday!
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On March 03 2012 05:31 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 05:05 sandroba wrote:
Hey toast your explanation of why I can't be scum reeks of extreme bs what can you say about that? Are you trying to discourage me from arguing against you as scum? Sandro, you've got only got 12 posts this game, clearly you've been lurking. You've made only one piss poor attempt at analysis, every other post you have made so far has been a short bit of weird fluff. It's glaringly clear you're not a vanilla townie this game. Idk what you rolled, but SK makes the most sense to me right now. It explains the lurker, and explains the abundance of fluff--even scum would be attempting to steer the game in some direction. If you can come up with something that explains your behavior this game, I'm all ears.
That's not "pointing out his posts are weird and lurky. " That's saying "no your analysis is shit." when Sandorba just made a one liner.
The other game is just support. The main thing, regardless, is that you have played "guiltily" like mafia do, you have not contributed original thoughts, and your harsh reactions to weak accusations.
That could be a thesis statement for an AP english essay. Think about that.
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On March 03 2012 05:51 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 19:59 Probulous wrote:Jackal given you said this in Mafia L On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game. Jackal, maybe you missed this. Please can you respond.
I'd try not to shoot anybody day 1. I'm almost always wrong.
On March 03 2012 06:04 Probulous wrote:
Right now my reads correlate best with Palmar. I don't think Paperscraps is scum. He always writes very short posts with not much content, he correctly identified me as town early and I agree that decon's case was terrible. Sure Misder had engaged in a fluffy discussion regarding LAL (with me) but if that is all the case was based on then bluelightz should have been a bigger target. He was asking everyone for their opinions and sharing none. I agree that his absence since then and his terrible reason for voting decon (as far as I can tell) makes look really scummy but when Paperscraps replied the case was very weak.
Jackal is making himself hard to read. As above I disagree with paper but agree with Misder. He's lurking but that seems to be his usual day 1 play. Pandain seems towny to me. His case on toast helped clarify toast's alignment to me. Adam needs to post something of substance. His only game as scum (that I remember) he lurked all game long.
Sandroba, you're not helping yourself. The quote from Jackal in L corresponds very well to your current play. This is why I want Jackal's opinion. He shot you then, would he shoot you now? Toast is right to call you out for lack of contribution. Your response enforces his case.
##vote Sandroba
I'm not hard to read. My English is exquisite.
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Sorry, no. I'm not letting you get away without answering the question. I'll quote this again:
On March 03 2012 06:07 Pandain wrote:
Also anyone who realizes about what Palmar is should note the same for Toast
What does Palmar have to do with anything?
and your harsh reactions to weak accusations
So what, you are admitting your accusations are weak?
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I didn't call him scum. Anyone who understands will understand, I willl not go into more detail.
And Sandroba's were poor, yes.
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##Vote Paperscraps
I've noted the defence of Paper, namely that posting short lists of players with little analysis is something he just does. That being said, something else he does is back up his votes with some reasoning. So far, his reasoning for voting deconduo is:
deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far
His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
Furthermore, Paperscraps' vote for deconduo came shortly after Palmar was grilling him, making him a seemingly easier target to jump on. The combination of the lack of reasoning and the fact that Palmar was grilling dec makes me think that Paper was trying to hop on a wagon while it was forming.
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On March 02 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote:
Paperscraps looks towny, so does rgTS. I'm not really sure about teacup, but there's nothing super scummy in his posting so far.
I refuse to analyse jackal58, cause I never get it right. misder seems towny i think. Adam not so much, he could be scummer. I'm not quite sure about probulous, something is off about his play I think, but I can't exactly tell if it's because he's scum. Bluelightz is impossible to read, but assuming the obvious he's town.
I actually think snarfs looks pretty towny from his sk asking post, it just seemed genuine enough not to be fabricated to make us think he's clueless town, in addition I don't think scum often does that.
No clue about the rest really. Toast and Pandain and anyone else I might be forgetting, but if I forget you it's because your content has been worthless so far. So take it as an insult please.
These reads are only a fraction better then the list Misder posted, useless and effortless. You label me as scum yet you never follow it up. Why aren't you pressing me to try and find out my alignment if you think I could be 'scummer'. I think its because you have zero interest in finding scum.
Look at his town play: Hammer Mini Mafia
He is aggressive, he presses his reads. He doesn't give a shit what the rest of the town is doing. Contrast that with what we've seen so far this game.
##Vote Palmar
On March 03 2012 06:04 Probulous wrote:
Right now my reads correlate best with Palmar. I don't think Paperscraps is scum. He always writes very short posts with not much content, he correctly identified me as town early and I agree that decon's case was terrible. Sure Misder had engaged in a fluffy discussion regarding LAL (with me) but if that is all the case was based on then bluelightz should have been a bigger target. He was asking everyone for their opinions and sharing none. I agree that his absence since then and his terrible reason for voting decon (as far as I can tell) makes look really scummy but when Paperscraps replied the case was very weak.
Jackal is making himself hard to read. As above I disagree with paper but agree with Misder. He's lurking but that seems to be his usual day 1 play. Pandain seems towny to me. His case on toast helped clarify toast's alignment to me. Adam needs to post something of substance. His only game as scum (that I remember) he lurked all game long.
Sandroba, you're not helping yourself. The quote from Jackal in L corresponds very well to your current play. This is why I want Jackal's opinion. He shot you then, would he shoot you now? Toast is right to call you out for lack of contribution. Your response enforces his case.
##vote Sandroba
Probulous, why are you sheeping Palmar? His case on sandroba is weak. "You couldn't spot a townie??? oh, you're scum!".
You are remembering my game as scum incorrectly, I stayed as active as everyone else and directed the town into stupid mislynches. I spent the whole game jumping on the easiest bandwagons that came along.
I made it clear pre-game that I would be inactive for a majority of the first day. I don't find inactivity as a scum-tell, hence why I have not voted Misder.
Also, in TL50, Jackal did not shoot sandroba, he shot L. sandroba was lynched by the town.
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Cause I want to lynch sandroba you dumbass. Don't be thick.
The case on sandroba isn't weak at all. It's based on the simple fact that his reads are off, he's disagreeing with me for the incorrect reasons and not putting any time into the game at all. I'll list it up:
1. Sandroba refused to try and point out a random townie in the thread because "he doesn't want to give away townreads". Now I know this is a common misconception, but sandroba is not dumb enough to fall for it like all the newbies. Giving away town reads is fine because if you force mafia to do it, they have to either call their scum mates town, or double back later in the game.
2. Sandroba's reasons for voting people in this game seem to not be the ones I'd expect him to use. he has basically attacked two people who in my opinion had at the time done very little that reveals much about their alignment in the thread.
3. Sandroba has put almost no effort into figuring out my alignment this game. While as town it would be a very obvious thing to do for him to put in a lot of effort into seeing if I'm scum, both because my scum play tends to be quite obvious and also because he knows that as a team we could probably smash the game.
I conclude, he must be scum.
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On March 03 2012 07:36 Snarfs wrote:##Vote PaperscrapsI've noted the defence of Paper, namely that posting short lists of players with little analysis is something he just does. That being said, something else he does is back up his votes with some reasoning. So far, his reasoning for voting deconduo is: Show nested quote +His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed. Furthermore, Paperscraps' vote for deconduo came shortly after Palmar was grilling him, making him a seemingly easier target to jump on. The combination of the lack of reasoning and the fact that Palmar was grilling dec makes me think that Paper was trying to hop on a wagon while it was forming.
The irony in this post is pretty laughable.
This whole entire post is pretty hypocritical as well.
I play a certain way at the beginning of games to gauge people's reactions. My FoS on Deconduo was because I thought his reads were off base. Then his reaction to my vote seemed overdone. I mean who cares what I think really. I was just one guy voting him up for a reaction test, in which he failed.
Now if I understand you correctly, Snarfs, two whole votes on some one is a bandwagon. You could accuse Deconduo for the same logic, which is bad logic btw. Palmar grilling Deconduo has nothing to do with this. Palmar didn't even vote him up, so your last point makes no sense at all. There is no bandwagon.
I will be the last person to be lynched in this game and probably one of the first to be murdered during the night.
Also Bluelightz has voted me which is hilarious.
On March 03 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote:
misder and Papaerscraps both appear to be doing an omgus vote on Decon.
Why do you guys think Decon is scummy?
Jackal, it isn't OMGUS when I voted him first, which I have stated my reasons for doing so. If anything Decon has OMGUS on me right now.
On March 03 2012 04:06 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote:
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?
My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.
##Vote: Deconduo
I messed up the format last time. ![[image loading]](http://b-static.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) Please explain how could you know my reads were bad if you are town? We lynch Misder today and Paper tomorrow. I had a look at Pandain's filter and its nothing as bad as these two.
I know Decon's reads are bad, because I am getting towntells from the people Decon is calling scum.
Doesn't the last sentence of this quote strike you as odd? Pushing on Misder and I, the only two people to have him voted up. If that isn't OMGUS, then I don't know what is.
I can see a bit of a team forming between Decon and Jackal right now.
Pandain has been playing more town as of late.
Palmar is playing weird this game so far. He might be scum.
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On March 03 2012 01:29 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 10:19 Bluelightz wrote:I could see Pandain as scum, I'll explain later, I can't explain now cuz I got school work tho.  Seems you've decided Paper is more scummy, but I'd still like to hear an explanation for this one.
Oh, I forgot to tell I don't find Pandain scummy after I read his filter
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Hey Bluelightz are you going to change your vote to a better lynch like Decon or Jackal?
First off your case against me is weaksauce.
On March 02 2012 20:38 Bluelightz wrote:I do agree that there is an SK here.
I Believe Paperscraps is scum. Let's look at his posts. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 14:35 Paperscraps wrote:Hey everybody!
Just got home from school.
The Probulous spam makes me laugh. I am cool with lynching all lurkers. Hopefully this will be an active game, so we don't have to resort to such measures. I am excited to play with a few more vets in this game, than my previous games. Quality of posts > Quantity of posts The part I italiced is just fluff. The other part of this post is just voicing his opinion Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous is town
Palmar is null
rg is town
deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far
Vote: deconduo List = Useless, he didnt even provide reasons for why X is town, his reason for voting deconduo, I don't agree how reads can be horrible unless you know other people's alignment. Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote:
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?
My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.
##Vote: Deconduo
I messed up the format last time. Fixed his vote, his list is not useless this time. and......... No more posts! Also, he is not providing anything useful to town and not contributing to the discussion. So, ##Vote: Paperscraps
I have provided a lot of useful information to town. I got a reaction out of Decon to show his true colors.
On March 02 2012 09:19 deconduo wrote:
Scumslip much? I might have bad reads, but the only way you could know they were bad is if you're scum. Especially seeing as neither read was about you.
He is already doubting his reads. Of course I can't be 100% sure on anything, but some players are obviously townie.
Bluelightz and Deconduo argument's against me hinge on two main points.
1. I can't know if their reads are bad, unless I am scum
2. Making lists are bad and scummy.
When player A towntells and player B calls player A scum, then of course I am going to think something is wrong here. It is pretty reasonable to think they either (a) Player B is scum trying to get a townie lynched or (b) Player B is just bad at mafia and reading bad. I don't see the latter
Making lists is NOT scummy. Just because I don't provide a book long post on the merits of each player doesn't make me scum. Making lists is town. It lets you know where my reads are at and gauge me at my scum hunting abilities.
Just look at Decon and Jackal's filters and tell me they aren't scum. Jackal's filter takes 5 seconds to read and Decon's filter is full of non-sense and bad arguments.
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Yeah im changing it but im still typing up the post :|
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I'm here guys,
I think I'll go into starting my list now,
Jackal58 - Leaning Scum - He post's nothing of worth and is useless.
Paperscraps - Null - His response to my case well.... wasn't THAT good, but im gonna unvote him for now.
Probulous - Leaning Town - Has posted much content and is being active and contributing to the discussion
Snarfs - Leaning Town - He is looking townie to me but, he could easily flip scum though.
rgTheSchworz - Leaning Third Party Maybe - This post is interesting because IF he is the SK he is trying to make people thinking he's not the SK
Misder - Null - He didnt explain his lists, but he did hel;pl move discussion so, Null.
Pandain - Leaning Town - He has been acting fairly townish.
Palmar - Null - He has been posting a lot of one liners, but he could be town.
Sandroba - Null - Same as Palmar
TheToast - Null - He is looking fairly townish, but he could easily be scum.....
Adam4167 - Leaning Town - He is actively contributing and providing opinions.
A Killer Cuppa Tea - Leaning Town - He does look townish, but he has to step up and be more active & contribute.
deconduo - Null - As paper said he overreacted to paper's vote, but he could be town.
Right now, I believe rgTS has the largest chance of being scum so I am voting him.
##Vote: rgTheSchworz
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On March 03 2012 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Cause I want to lynch sandroba you dumbass. Don't be thick.
The case on sandroba isn't weak at all. It's based on the simple fact that his reads are off, he's disagreeing with me for the incorrect reasons and not putting any time into the game at all. I'll list it up:
1. Sandroba refused to try and point out a random townie in the thread because "he doesn't want to give away townreads". Now I know this is a common misconception, but sandroba is not dumb enough to fall for it like all the newbies. Giving away town reads is fine because if you force mafia to do it, they have to either call their scum mates town, or double back later in the game.
2. Sandroba's reasons for voting people in this game seem to not be the ones I'd expect him to use. he has basically attacked two people who in my opinion had at the time done very little that reveals much about their alignment in the thread.
3. Sandroba has put almost no effort into figuring out my alignment this game. While as town it would be a very obvious thing to do for him to put in a lot of effort into seeing if I'm scum, both because my scum play tends to be quite obvious and also because he knows that as a team we could probably smash the game.
I conclude, he must be scum.
I am not being thick, I am following my read.
Your entire case boils down to 'meta' of Sandroba. I've underlined everything 'meta' in your case on him that you just expanded on.
I find pure meta cases weak and so do you.
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this isn't a pure meta case. Of course it's influenced by the fact that I give sandroba less leeway then the normal newbie, but anyone posting the way he is would be wrong and scummy, it's just less likely he's dumb than the normal townie.
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Current Vote Count:
Ties are ordered Chronologically due to Voting Rules
Misder - 3
deconduo
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Jackal58
TheToast - 2
Pandain
Sandroba
Palmar - 2
Paperscraps
Adam4167
Sandroba - 2
Palmar
Probulous
deconduo - 1
Misder
Paperscraps
Pandain - 1
Sandroba
rgTheSchworz
Paperscraps - 1
Bluelightz
Snarfs
rgTheSchworz - 1
Bluelightz
Probulous - 0
rgTheSchworz
A Killer Cuppa Tea - 0
Probulous
Not Yet Voted: (Player List Order)
TheToast
If there is a mistake, please let me know!
There are about 1.75 hours until voting ends.
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I voted rgTS now not paper.
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