KeSPA-Gretech cease negotiations - Page 15

On October 15 2010 01:00 bluesoup wrote:

No, it does not. Teams (and spooring corporations) pay those salaries. KeSPA serves the purpose of regulating BW, increasing barrier to entry (courage) and lowering salaries of progamers...
It is formed by BW pro-teams, and it does work towards increasing teams profits however...

On October 15 2010 01:00 Murderotica wrote:
I hope the korean court system rapes gretech/activision/blizzard. Really KeSPA has no need to support Blizzard "laws".

On October 14 2010 18:46 ffreakk wrote:
@ the Gretech employee guy (or so he claimed)

You ask why people think that Kespa has made any contribution to esports? Heres my perspective:

Other than the game that is played (which is merely a tool, mind), Kespa is responsible for everything there is in E-Sport today: televised Leagues, stable-salaried proteams, arena for top players (Leagues) + training ground for young aspirants (training houses, B-teams), celebrity gamers.. Take a look: + Show Spoiler +

It is easy to see why people like me want to have them around, because we clearly see how much they have done, and it matters to us.. They may have screwed up here and there, but from my Point of View, their accomplishments far outshine their shortcomings.

Now on the other hand, looking at what Gretech has done.. Not much, aint it? :/ And now its trying to kill off all said accomplishment, making thousands of people jobless because of a little profit, or a little pride.. Is it still hard to understand our sentiments?

On October 15 2010 01:15 Ryo wrote:


Please do some research before posting stuff like that.

On October 15 2010 02:04 maybenexttime wrote:
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Are you out of your fucking mind?

The corporations behind the progaming teams constitute KeSPA (besides other parties, such as for example the referees).

... It does not lower the salaries...

This association lays its purpose on activation of e-Sports, creation of a wholesome gaming culture through it, and promoting the rights of its members.

Courage does not increase the entry barrier

(courage) you don't have to win it in order to get drafted

On October 15 2010 01:29 JunkkaGom wrote:


Ok now I see where all the misunderstanding is coming from.

Gretech is GOMTV. GOM stands for Gretech Online Media. We tried to contribute by making a tournament called GOMTV Classic(and it was first tournament anyone in Korea tried to broadcast to the rest of the world) but KESPA comes inand says we do not have the right to make tournaments when they don;t even pay copyright to Blizzard. They threaten all pro players that they will lose their license i they play in GOM Classic and manages to shut down GOM classic. Now we run GSL which we also send out English broadcast. And you say we have contriubted nothing? well maybe we would have done more if KESPA really did care about esports.

I can give credit to OGN and MBC but not Kespa. KESPA is an organization made of representives from sponsors not gaming fans. The esports todays exists because of the players and fans who support it. All Kespa has been doing is abuse their power to earn money. They forced OGN and MBC to pay 1500million KRW to broacast SC. Now they still won't pay Blizzard its copyright and offers 300 million to have all the right to SC tournaments and broadcasting. No wonder most Korean SC fans including myself hate KESPA.

I was absolutely outraged when I read the article about what Kespa did to NaDa after he joined SC2. NaDa probably contributed to esports 1000times more than Kespa and that's how they treat him.

I'm not saying Gretech is right and Kespa is wrong because I work for GOM. There is no right and wrong in reality. But I'd rather support GOM which tries to care for global fans even though it's small and underfunded rather than Kespa which doesn't give a damn about global fans cuz most sponsors don't see any merit in it. I really wish situation hadn't come to this, causing disturbance to fans all over the world, but there seems little choice left now.

On October 15 2010 03:06 PrinceXizor wrote:

Just going to let you know, the biggest supporters of kespa are the people who just see kespa associated with their favorite esport. and know that kespa is in control of things, but don't know much more. These tend to be foreigners. so for some reason the foreigners will care deeply about korean opinions and things, up until it disagrees with the kespa-is-awesome myth in the foreign world. some of us don't like kespa, but we are considered "stupid' and "wrong" for doing so. It's just how the fanatical SC fanbase is. Keep up the awesome with sc2 Junkka. we still <3 you.

On October 15 2010 04:03 sleepingdog wrote:
really interesting to follow this whole stuff...

legally it's perfectly clear; kespa is in constant violation of copyright-laws; I just don't get why so many here have the "robin hood" mentality aka if somebody does something that seems "good" he is allowed to violate the law; if I wrote a book today, somebody copied it and it turned out to be a frickin bestseller, would I automatically lose my copy rights? and shouldn't I be able to sue the hell out of this somebody if he just continues to make money with MY book

regardless of what kespa has done, this is still blizzards frickin product; kespa wants to make money, gretech wants to make money, blizzard wants to make money; the one who violates the law by doing this loses - quite simple

as someone who teaches law at an Austrian university, let me tell you that people take legal actions for FAR much minor things every day; considering how stubborn kespa acted, they left gretech without any choice;

On October 15 2010 04:03 sleepingdog wrote:
... if I wrote a book today, somebody copied it and it turned out to be a frickin bestseller, would I automatically lose my copy rights? and shouldn't I be able to sue the hell out of this somebody if he just continues to make money with MY book...

On October 15 2010 04:24 bluesoup wrote:


Well, it is not that they are copying the book. They probably legally bought all the books that use on their show. They are more like just reading few pages of that book every night on TV, hehe... I wonder where the IP/copyright law stands on that specific issue...

On October 15 2010 01:29 JunkkaGom wrote:


Ok now I see where all the misunderstanding is coming from.

Gretech is GOMTV. GOM stands for Gretech Online Media. We tried to contribute by making a tournament called GOMTV Classic(and it was first tournament anyone in Korea tried to broadcast to the rest of the world) but KESPA comes inand says we do not have the right to make tournaments when they don;t even pay copyright to Blizzard. They threaten all pro players that they will lose their license i they play in GOM Classic and manages to shut down GOM classic. Now we run GSL which we also send out English broadcast. And you say we have contriubted nothing? well maybe we would have done more if KESPA really did care about esports.

I can give credit to OGN and MBC but not Kespa. KESPA is an organization made of representives from sponsors not gaming fans. The esports todays exists because of the players and fans who support it. All Kespa has been doing is abuse their power to earn money. They forced OGN and MBC to pay 1500million KRW to broacast SC. Now they still won't pay Blizzard its copyright and offers 300 million to have all the right to SC tournaments and broadcasting. No wonder most Korean SC fans including myself hate KESPA.

I was absolutely outraged when I read the article about what Kespa did to NaDa after he joined SC2. NaDa probably contributed to esports 1000times more than Kespa and that's how they treat him.

I'm not saying Gretech is right and Kespa is wrong because I work for GOM. There is no right and wrong in reality. But I'd rather support GOM which tries to care for global fans even though it's small and underfunded rather than Kespa which doesn't give a damn about global fans cuz most sponsors don't see any merit in it. I really wish situation hadn't come to this, causing disturbance to fans all over the world, but there seems little choice left now.

On October 15 2010 03:14 zenMaster wrote:

Well obviously fanboyism plays a part in what people support.
I prefer the free awesome entertainment Kespa provides, you prefer the inferior entertainment that you have to pay Blizzard to get. Makes sense when Kespa fanboys to support the people who provide them with free awesome entertainment when Blizzard want to shut it down and substitute it with some shit.

On October 15 2010 05:06 ffreakk wrote:
1/ is debatable, but 2/ is pure fact. Not to mention, you conveniently ignoring Blizz's 6 demands to Kespa (we all know what those 6 were) . I would love to see how you argue your way into making Blizz sound reasonable on those terms.

if gretech or blizzard wanted to shut down SC1 they would have done it. they legally have the right to

On October 15 2010 05:06 ffreakk wrote:
Now, for that old case of GOMTV Classic. The version i heard was a little different. Kespa allowed GOMTV Classics to broadcast its show for two seasons, this much is fact. Now from what i have heard, the rating for your show is rather low, resulting in little to no prestige to be won from participating in your tournaments. Slowly, teams started to pull players out for this same reason (wasting time to train for a tourney that doesnt matter is simply bad, players had their schedule full with PL, MSL, OSL).. Feel free to confirm/deny as i too believe that there is more than one sideto a story.