EPT[WCS AM] RO40 Day 2 Challenger Season 1 2013 - Page 14
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Provocateur
Sweden1665 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote: 1:40 gateway first for Top 2:00 hatch first for Killer double gas for Top pool for Killer cybernetics core for Top 3:00 nexus for Top mothership core for Top 4:00 2nd gate for Top 5:00 double gas for Killer 3 more gates for Top spine for Killer 6:00 another gas for Killer ling speed for Killer 3rd base for Killer double evo for Killer overlord scouts 2 gates in the main so he knows about 3 total 7:00 bunch of lings coming out for Killer 2 more spines for Killer 1-1 ling upgrades started for Killer Speed finishes and Killer runs down for the surround 8:00 forcefield donut around the protoss army to defend Killer moves his next 2 spines to the low ground ot cover the entrance to the 3rd more and more lings coming out the spines are starting to fall 9:00 Top pushes into the natural Killer pulls his drones the last spinecrawler falls almost all the sentries are kille but there are still tons of zealots Killer trying to make more spines Top 20 supply ahead top adding in some stalkers timewarp on the main ramp of Killer Top moves into the main 10:00 Top 30 supply ahead the last queen of killer falls Killer ggs!  Top wins 2-1 and advances! | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:15 Fighter wrote: Is this the same Top of yore? Or some new guy? It's a chinese top, not the korean GSL silver medalist. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Longtimer
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:18 chipmonklord17 wrote: I have a hard time feeling, anything really about these matches. The games themselves are decent enough but they're virtually meaningless. Both players go to the up and downs and its not like they're far enough into the bracket that the winner's next match is to get into code S. Derrr what? That's exactly the same as the Korean Code A. Majority of the bottom Code A players don't have a shot at Code S. Even top players will end up getting taken out. You have a really bad attitude towards these games but the reason you put up isn't a good one. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:18 chipmonklord17 wrote: I have a hard time feeling, anything really about these matches. The games themselves are decent enough but they're virtually meaningless. Both players go to the up and downs and its not like they far enough into the bracket that the winner's next match is to get into code S. Yeah it doesnt have that same intensity as the first round of Code A | ||
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:18 Longtimer wrote: That build seems so strong and difficult to deal with. You mean die instantly if you have a roach warren, or even identify it ? Real strong all-in are the 2 immortal 2 collosus builds or the blink stalker all-in. | ||
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Tayar
United States1439 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:18 Longtimer wrote: That build seems so strong and difficult to deal with. imo it's really a meta build - a lot of zergs are trying to deal with gateway expand 4gate pressure with pure ling because the gateway expand doesn't have +1 attack - so top gets more gateways and pumps some sentries. interesting response, hope to see more of Top and his weird builds. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:20 Shinta) wrote: Feel sorry for KiLLeR and Latin America, but glad that Top is advancing! Derrr what? That's exactly the same as the Korean Code A. Majority of the bottom Code A players don't have a shot at Code S. Even top players will end up getting taken out. You have a really bad attitude towards these games but the reason you put up isn't a good one. No it actually is not. Korean code A you lose first round you go through the hell that is code A qualifiers. Eu/AM code A you lose first round you go into U&D groups and thats the only place you can get eliminated from code S or A. It is significantly different EDIT: Its also not about "would they fare in code S". its about they're playing a match where the winner goes to code S. In this case these games are to go to the round of 24 that is, identical in every way to this round with just less players EDIT 2: eliminated as in out of WCS, obviously coming in 3rd or 4th in any group means you drop from S --> A | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:25 chipmonklord17 wrote: No it actually is not. Korean code A you lose first round you go through the hell that is code A qualifiers. Eu/AM code A you lose first round you go into U&D groups and thats the only place you can get eliminated from code S or A. It is significantly different EDIT: Its also not about "would they fare in code S". its about they're playing a match where the winner goes to code S. In this case these games are to go to the round of 24 that is, identical in every way to this round with just less players I dont like how WCS AM and EU are designed to only drop 8 players from the challenger to their "code b" I think they should just drop half the players like in GSL. Gives more people opportunities to play | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:20 Shinta) wrote: Feel sorry for KiLLeR and Latin America, but glad that Top is advancing! Derrr what? That's exactly the same as the Korean Code A. Majority of the bottom Code A players don't have a shot at Code S. Even top players will end up getting taken out. You have a really bad attitude towards these games but the reason you put up isn't a good one. No. If you lose in 1st round of Code A, you drop out of the GSL completely, the games have so much more weight, it's life and death. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:18 chipmonklord17 wrote: I have a hard time feeling, anything really about these matches. The games themselves are decent enough but they're virtually meaningless. Both players go to the up and downs and its not like they're far enough into the bracket that the winner's next match is to get into code S. I'm slightly concerned about the format. With only 8 players dropping out of Challenger league per season, I wonder if Code A NA will get stale from players pulling an Ensnare and taking up a challenger spot season after season. After all, it's now possible to go 1-3 in Bo3 sets and stay in Code A. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont like how WCS AM and EU are designed to only drop 8 players from the challenger to their "code b" I think they should just drop half the players like in GSL. Gives more people opportunities to play Someone theorized it was because a lack of depth in player pool across the NA and EU regions. I personally think that's bullshit but who knows. I know I mentioned it in the last thread but it seriously feels like its easier to stay in than it is to drop out. That only encourages complacency and doesn't really HELP the scene. Imagine if everyone who lost today needed to go back and train again for next season. Sure some players might retire or whatever but the ones that stay will be even better players. | ||
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sitromit
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:30 chipmonklord17 wrote: Someone theorized it was because a lack of depth in player pool across the NA and EU regions. I personally think that's bullshit but who knows. I know I mentioned it in the last thread but it seriously feels like its easier to stay in than it is to drop out. That only encourages complacency and doesn't really HELP the scene. Imagine if everyone who lost today needed to go back and train again for next season. Sure some players might retire or whatever but the ones that stay will be even better players. You could possibly make that argument about the American playerpool because it does seem to lack a lot of depth. However, I think that it hurts it from growing if there's less of an opportunity to do something. I could be wrong, too. There could be more depth but we just never see it because the American scene doesnt have as my weekly tournaments and stuff going on as EU. I think EU has quite a bit of depth though that could make it interesting. I could see how it could be boring if it was a low depth region and it was just the same players qualifying each time. idk. Maybe things will change if it doesn't work out. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. On May 15 2013 10:31 sitromit wrote: I think they made the format like this because they were afraid of popular players dropping out. also a realistic possibility. Imagine if more koreans had qualified and done better and just knocked out like 10 popular foreigners in the first season. Could be bad for viewing numbers | ||
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