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Allow me to offer up another, perhaps more likely scenario. One that doesn't rely on utter noobiness as the basis of its believability.
Revisiting my scumlist we see that I had prplhz, Palmar and GiygaS.
For this example, I'm going to assume you're all three mafia. At any rate, before your switch, we see that you and GiygaS were both voting for Skrammen. Not only does this effectively block the vote for GiygaS, but it allows Palmar to Off-vote (vote for someone NO ONE ELSE is voting for..very scummy behavior at the end of the day) to ensure that even if in the event someone switches last minute, he could swoop in and recast his vote for Skrammen. Good. Great. But then we take into account the fact that A) GiygaS is highly under suspicion of the most active (and most accurate so far) scumhunter, Mataza and B) He's playing bad scum and C) Mafia can converse with each other, it isn't far-fetched to believe that a last-minute switch from inactive Skrammen to obvScum GiygaS would not only clear your name ("See? I voted for scum too!", but pave the way for Palmar to then go on a witch-hunt of those who voted against GiygaS lynch.
"But VE, why wouldn't Palmar just vote for GiygaS himself?" you might be asking...well, if you'll read the rules, the person with the most votes first is the target in the event of a tie...which would've resulted in Skrammen getting lynched anyway.
BOOM HEADSHOT.
GG Maf. Fire away...I don't even NEED to post anymore!  Mataza, this is what's happening. They can't kill us both. I suggest Palmar first as he appears to be the brains. prplhz won't know how to cope.
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@VisceraEyes
Your first post after I changed my vote was 3 minutes after the deadline, so no, you did not have time to change your vote. And yes, that is exactly what I am saying. You have already acted silly out of frustration by directly refusing to actively participate in the game anymore. I so not consider it unlikely that my change of vote frustrated you even more as you were too late to change your vote yourself. And really, even if you HAD changed your vote, if Skrammen had flipped green, something I consider very likely, you would have looked even worse.
Now people should ask themselves, in all this frustration, is it not possible that you posted something that might give everybody a clue on your allegiance in this town? Your defense is basically "Do you really think I'd do something that rash and incriminating?", and I have to say; there may be a good chance that you would.
Again, people, I'm not saying that VisceraEyes is a scum, but I am going to encourage everybody to put pressure on him tomorrow. He may break again.
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Alas, I think you make it out too easy.
I on the other hand, am dead shit as shit, unless a certain doctor, who I hope is in the game, is on me.
More coming soon.
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Votes cast in the thread before the official closing of votes are still counted as far as I know. At least, that was how I understood it at the time...because I considered changing. But that's irrelevant at this point. I'm going to die before anyone has a chance to vote for me anyway, so you might as well not waste your time and towns by insisting that everyone consider me as a lynch target. I promise you, it's time wasted. Wasting town time is anti-town behavior.
I'm just messin with you. Towns victory is assured, so it doesn't matter at this point.
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On May 19 2011 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Votes cast in the thread before the official closing of votes are still counted as far as I know.
Votes after the deadline are *not* counted, votes at the deadline are.
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@GMarshal
Thx for clarification.
@prplhz
What that doesn't change is that I thought they did. But obviously, that's unprovable, so I'll stop wasting time debating it.
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First:
Analyze prplhz
-His tone is very rational, yet he does an emotional response to giygas flipping scum. ("I can´t believe
this.")
-He looks methodical in his approach and suggests he is a high priority target for the nightkill, even
after he has proven to have been pretty much useless up til now.
Under that light, he increased his usefulness by voting for Giygas.
Be very wary of him. I don´t have the time to analyze properly.
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@Palmar
Why vote for someone no one else in town was voting for? Why not help get rid of the inactive everyone decided was the best target? If not him, why not vote on the obvScum everyone else decided was the best target? Why alone in your vote? That's very suspicious my friend.
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Second:
I don´t really think Palmar is scum. He is just very cautious.
He hopes we have blue roles to make our life easier and doesn´t want to risk much until then.
I can totally get behind that.
Of course no one is ever with 100% certainty innocent. But if he is mafia he is damn good.
Much better than I have *ever* seen.
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Mataza, consider his voting pattern. Who votes for someone no one else is voting for? SCUM do.
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@Mataza
He's okay...he's just acting aloof and dismissive...that's NOT an uncommon strategy for Mafia. Like, no amount of analysis is even WORTHY of him noting. In spite of saying you were very helpful to town d1, did he actually mention AGREEING with anything you posted? Did he even quote you ONCE? Or analyze you? He's bandwagoning your INNOCENCE rather than someone else's scumminess.
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Third:
I am very suspicious of Karshe.
-He referred the fact, that this is "openly a newbie game" multiple times. He wants us to take it
easy.
-While he did that, he referred also to some more advanced concepts, like OMGUS and Lynch All
Liars.
-He did a small chainsaw defense for Giygas, blaming me while saying Giygas is town. Had no
opinion on Visceras *at all*(Which is kinda hard, because Giygas obviously copied all his
behaviour from Viscera). He needs a good explanation for that. Dissect it from Scum logic/logic
translation.
-He accuses me of going for "noobtown" cred by explaining some more methodical stuff. All the
while he did that too.(OMGUS, LAL)
I recommend being very cautious of anyhting he said so far.
He either has a horrible read, as he said himself or he is a scum that wants to get easy town cred by saying it´s just a newbie game and explaining how some things work.
A Post by post analysis of every single of his posts will help town greatly in every way.
Either he is a caught maf or he is a town with bad intuition.
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Hey vis:
I didn't change my vote because my strategy didn't work, and both the targets that you guys were going for were basically fair game to me. I didn't really care which one you lynched.
How many times do I have to repeat this: I don't want to lynch inactives, I want to use votes to pressure them into action.
On May 18 2011 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Mataza
Keep in mind that Palmar is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of GiygaS and prplhz' innocence.
Here is one of your wrong quotes... I really think it's bad for the town if people keep lying, Only a few posts earlier I had posted this in a conversation with Mataza:
On May 18 2011 02:23 Palmar wrote:
if everyone comes into the thread, contributes and makes good analysis of the situation, I will switch my vote to GiygaS and help you get him lynched.
(link to entire post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=8#145 )
So yeah. You wanted explanation of my posting pattern... there you go. I just didn't really give a shit which one got killed. As I already stated, I couldn't really make much sense of GiygaS posts, so I didn't have a strong red read on him. And Skrammen was just being completely useless... so I wasn't gonna jump in and defend him either.
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My innocent list stands as it is. It´s not as solid as these my probably last 3 posts are.
Hope I survive the night.
Btw, Karshe also assumes Viscera is scum, by saying he never gave up fos on me. But Viscera dropped his fos long ago.
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wow, drama drama :D
I have some thoughts and ideas, but they can wait till dawn.
Not much else to say, that hasn't been said.
Lets see how the night unfolds
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@Palmar, @Viscera
Stop arguing. You are prolly both town.
Vis, if you trust me at all, drop it. I can´t really say much more.
Palmar, I think there are more obvious targets than Vis. You said yourself Vis is a bit random. On the other hand Karshe is calm, collected and utterly wrong. The more I read his post history, the more i am sure.
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DOC ON ME!
In hindsight, everyone suddenly agrees Giygas was obvious.
Remember who pushed him? Alone?
To be a little arrogant, my read is maybe the strongest in the game.
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@Mataza
I don't mean to imply that I thought GiygaS was obviously scum...I wasn't absolutely certain of him. I used the term obvScum to indicate that he was highly under suspicion and anyone who wanted to could've easily jumped on the GiygaS Bandwagon of Death.
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On May 19 2011 07:57 Mataza wrote:
@Palmar, @Viscera
Stop arguing. You are prolly both town.
Vis, if you trust me at all, drop it. I can´t really say much more.
Palmar, I think there are more obvious targets than Vis. You said yourself Vis is a bit random. On the other hand Karshe is calm, collected and utterly wrong. The more I read his post history, the more i am sure.
Don't worry about it, I was merely doing the same thing as I did to you with your cop claim, and with purplehaze with his random doc request.
I want to keep the town honest, because lying is almost never good for the town. It only makes it that much harder to find the really good stuff.
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