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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
-------------- On February 18 2014 08:01 Cavalinho wrote: Except I'm actively pressuring you you stupid asshole. In case you haven't noticed, I'm actually trying very hard to focus on other things. But you ignore the shit that I've said before in regards to what OnceKing said. You can go ahead and look for it, because I'm not wasting my time explaining anything to you anymore. You are literally turning this into "you or me," and if we're both town, then everyone else is just sitting and watching while you try to reason something out of nothing. I see absolutely no reason to let you live. You deliberately misread everything and your logic makes no sense. You're either shit town or mafia trying to save yourself. But it's not like it actually matters what I'm saying here. I could say "smelly dick poop butt" and you would still think I'm mafia. I think your insults are not appropriate, and if we are alive tomorrow please do not continue them. We're playing a game together. It's a logic game where we don't have perfect information. It's a newbie game. I am not going to play perfectly. If I'm town and mistaken, it is your imperative to convince me that I'm wrong. What I asked you for was this: On February 18 2014 07:56 Amiko wrote: In exchange, I would appreciate if you provide comments on my two above posts. Tell us what you agree with and what you don't agree with. That's what you need to do to to help town. As I see it, you asked me to restate why I was suspicious of you. I did. My expectation is that you would go through the points, or at least try to convince me of something. Instead you ignored the content, so I guess I wasted my time. I asked you to please give analysis on my comments in the prior posts. You ignored that request, too. I'll also mention that I feel I've been pretty fair when I comment on your posts. I opened one post saying: On February 17 2014 05:48 Amiko wrote: I appreciate you explaining your reasoning somewhat I also point out that I agree with one point you make regarding red flips On February 17 2014 13:03 Amiko wrote: I won't flip red so I don't see much point in commenting on this. But, I do agree it's unlikely mafia would bus when there are probably 2-3 mafia in the game. I haven't presented everything you say as scummy. But, you haven't given me what I need to see you as town. ---- I have more to say on Cavalinho's vote on n1k0 which I will put in the next post. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 18 2014 03:49 IAmRobik wrote: n1k0 spoke up and everyone shut down. This leads me to believe that n1k0 is town. Mafia are Tolkien and Valenius. GGWP town wins. In fact, OnceKing was the only one to bring it up and he had the reaction that a town should have: On February 18 2014 09:14 OnceKing wrote: I agree that N1k0 has not contributed enough if really at all despite IAmRobik's statement that he has, but neither has Beneather. I can't see any contradiction in N1k0's post, just uncertainty in his vote placement. In addition he himself is now OMGUSing despite talking so much about it being bad earlier... what's up with that? I wanted to see if anyone put n1k0 in their town list after I said the above, but no one did. My opinion on n1k0 hadn't changed before of that post, nor did I think that he was town based off of the fact that no one posted after his one post. I still think he's scummy and think he's one of the better lynches for today ##vote: n1k0 | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Vote Count cavalinho: (2) IAmRobik: (1) Lord Tolkien: (2) Beneather: (0) theDragoon: (0) Amiko: (0) OnceKing: (1) Lord Tolkien N1k0: (2) cavalinho, IAmRobik Valenius: (1) Beneather At this point Cavalinho is set to be lynched Please remember to unvote after voting. The cycle ends in . PM me if you have any questions or if you see a vote out of place. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 18 2014 11:18 IAmRobik wrote: Why Cavalinho if he's tied with n1k0 and Tolkien? On February 18 2014 10:54 Promethelax wrote: the player who reaches the highest number of votes first is lynched It's strange, but I suppose to prevent a "no lynch" situation. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
There's four things to note: 1) Currently, Cavalinho is set to be lynched. 2) Cavalinho voted for n1k0. 3) Cavalinho is the only vote on n1k0. 4) Cavalinho posted that he would not change his vote from n1k0. On February 18 2014 08:42 Cavalinho wrote: And I'm not changing my vote. I'm staying on N1k0 until the end of today. -- I read Cavalinho's vote on n1k0 as townsided (with one caveat). Basically, this post locks him into a vote on a player without any votes. If his goal is merely surviving, why not put his vote on someone who has a vote on him (Robik, Tolkien, OnceKing)? I am not surprised he didn't vote for OnceKing. His has just recently said that he agreed with all of OnceKing's first reads when OnceKing voted me, so it would be pretty questionable to challenge him now. However, I think he could have moved his vote to Tolkien and Robik without as much attention. He posted here that he had concerns about both players: On February 17 2014 14:06 Cavalinho wrote: I'm actually getting very frustrated with the way this is going, because I can't sit down and get reads from anyone since I'm defending my views every other post I make. Even when I point at both Lord Tolkein and IAmRobik, I have people doubting the fact that I'm town since I'm focused on getting one lynch done today and looking at these other people in the mean time. (And also, Tolkein's disinterest in who gets lynched today is very concerning. I know I suggested him slightly before, but if we aren't going to go after Amiko, then I suggest either IAmRobik or Lord Tolkein.) He reasserts that the three of us are his primary scumreads again here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441178¤tpage=9#168). So, why didn't he move his vote to someone who had some traction from another player? I wouldn't even think it's that important, but he even commits to not changing his vote on n1k0. This essentially is tying his own hands - if he's mafia, he loses the ability to move his vote to either Robik or Tolkien if they get a second vote, thereby saving himself. Well, he could still change his vote, but he'd look really scummy. So, I do think the vote on n1k0 reflects some towniness. There is one caveat I'll mention which I do think is neutral or scummy. Cavalinho has argued that the case on him is bogus. But, then he argues that n1k0 did the same thing as him, so n1k0 is scummy. If Cavlainho seeks his actions and n1k0's actions as similar, I think it's illogical to say n1k0 is scummy but he is not. In other words n1k0's actions -> similar to Cavalinho's actions n1k0's actions -> scummy to Cavalinho Cavalinho's actions -> not at all scummy to Cavalinho | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
On February 18 2014 09:14 OnceKing wrote: More and more I'm growing dissatisfied with the way that Cavalinho is responding to pressure. He's lashing back out at Amiko saying that he's being tunneled upon but I can't agree -- though yes, the bulk of Amiko's case is indeed on Cavalinho he's also discussed other people like LT. Not only that but his actual defenses are just really indignant statements ("You're saying I can't do X? I'm not allowed to say Y?"). I agree that N1k0 has not contributed enough if really at all despite IAmRobik's statement that he has, but neither has Beneather. I can't see any contradiction in N1k0's post, just uncertainty in his vote placement. In addition he himself is now OMGUSing despite talking so much about it being bad earlier... what's up with that? Regarding Cavalinho OMGUSing on N1k0 and not really posting his reason on why he has a scum read on N1k0 is a bit suspicious. At the point where Cavalinho votes for N1k0, he doesn't mention anything to support his scum read on him. Also, I dislike his insults toward Amiko, there's no reason to insult anyone, especially one you think is town. If I'm interpreting it correctly, he's leaning on Amiko being town based on this post: On February 18 2014 08:41 Cavalinho wrote: I stand by the fact that N1k0 is our best lynch target right now. He has contributed nothing and contradicts his own reasoning for pushing a lynch. Amiko, at the very least, tries. What he's saying is stupid and wrong, but he's trying. I've had a strong town read on Cavalinho up to this point but as others mention some of the scummy actions and posts he's made I'm starting to have second thoughts. Question for Cavalinho: Why did you quickly switch your vote to N1k0 without picking apart N1k0's posts for the contradictions he's made on his post? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
IAmRobik's also voted for him. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On February 18 2014 03:49 IAmRobik wrote: n1k0 spoke up and everyone shut down. This leads me to believe that n1k0 is town. Mafia are Tolkien and Valenius. GGWP town wins. Robik - I just figured you were joking with that post so I didn't really comment on it. On February 18 2014 11:25 Lord Tolkien wrote: Read above Amiko. :o IAmRobik's also voted for him. That came in while I was typing. It makes me feel a little better :3 I guess if Cavalinho is mafia, it's possible his vote on n1k0 wasn't as townsided if he knew a mafia partner would join his vote. But, I would tend to think two mafia wouldn't be wiling to be the only two people on someone. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
I do have new suspicions based on vote justifications thus far (depends on how cav falls), but if the latter does happen, take the convo I and Caval had and try to organize a scumhunting system. | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
Care to elaborate, theDragoon? Re: expanded read analysis of everyone There's no purpose towards me making a list of everyone and saying what I think of them. Is this what you're asking for LT? I mean, what does it add to discussion if I say I don't know what to think of Beneather, for example? You would learn basically nothing if I only say things that are very moderate, so I post only my strongest reads -- who I think is probably mafia, and who I think is most clearly town. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 18 2014 11:46 OnceKing wrote: Err... how is it a slip for LT to say that scum are probably discussing something on their QT? I see it as speculation at worst, I mean it's stated in the OP that scum have their own QT lol. Care to elaborate, theDragoon? Yeah, that's mostly what I was alluding to in my prior post. There are better reasons to lynch me than that (and argued to death), and you can put a far more compelling case. It's not the lynching vote I object to, it's the justification for the vote. Re: expanded read analysis of everyone There's no purpose towards me making a list of everyone and saying what I think of them. Is this what you're asking for LT? I mean, what does it add to discussion if I say I don't know what to think of Beneather, for example? You would learn basically nothing if I only say things that are very moderate, so I post only my strongest reads -- who I think is probably mafia, and who I think is most clearly town. That is fair. That being said, I would like to hear far more of your own opinion, and to elaborate on your strongest reads. Right now my "definitely town" list is myself, Amiko and theDragoon. Obviously, your definitely town list includes yourself, and you have previously noted why you think Amiko is town, but why theDragoon? That being said, I just realized you previously made the comment about N1k0's indecisive vote before I did. | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
On February 18 2014 11:46 OnceKing wrote: Err... how is it a slip for LT to say that scum are probably discussing something on their QT? I see it as speculation at worst, I mean it's stated in the OP that scum have their own QT lol. Care to elaborate, theDragoon? I called it a slip because I wasn't really thinking of the mafia QT and the fact that he mentioned it could imply that he's been using it. I might be reaching with this but that was my thought process behind it. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Final Vote Count cavalinho: (2) IAmRobik: (1) Lord Tolkien: (2) Beneather: (0) theDragoon: (0) Amiko: (0) OnceKing: (1) Lord Tolkien N1k0: (2) cavalinho, IAmRobik Valenius: (1) Beneather Cavalinho has been lynched. No posting until the night post. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Night One Cavalinho was preparing his greatest illusion yet. By concealing himself in the casket, he would be able to vanish, avoiding the lynch, and reveal the entire scum team. However, as he was buried six feet under, he couldn't help but think to himself that he has made a huge mistake. Cavalinho the Vanilla Townie has been lynched. The night ends in . Please send all night actions to all three hosts. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Time to reread everything. | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 18 2014 12:21 Cavalinho wrote: Wait, why is N1k0 alive and why am I dead? We have the same number of votes. As do we, but it's based on time. First person to get the most, even if tied, is lynched apparently. | ||
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