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@ Sideni - thanks for posting your ideas, but perhaps you can elaborate on a couple of items?
On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote:As for YourHarry, from what I've read, he's acting quite suspiciously, the most of all... I have to tell that I wouldn't know who to vote for =/ I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One 
Why do you find YourHarry suspicious so far? Also, how are we not following our day 1 policy?
@ Dandel Ion
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=12#238
Regarding your post about Harry's erratic play, do you really think Mafia would do that? Even if it is strange, it did generate quite a bit of discussion (as Harry intended). Furthermore, he walks into a thread and does practically everything to attract attention to himself. I highly doubt that Mafia would be so willing to put themselves in the spotlight so early in the game.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote:I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One We need discussion. We NEED it. Just saying "yep let's lynch a lurker" and then go brain-afk will not help us.
Ah, ok I see, the policy is just like a warning.
Nevermind then xD (It also felt a bit better to just discuss with everybody, trying to find out anything suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote:
For Tolerance, I tried to contact him on Skype to tell him that the game had started, but he won't answer ... (He's my friend)
Looks like we'll need someone to substitute him =(
You might wanna be careful with that, I'm pretty sure it's forbidden to contact other players even for that.
Thanks man, I'll watch myself :D
I just want to point out, I managed to make quotes without any first try and YourHarry failed
(I hope my quotes will work xD)
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@Hapahauli
On August 07 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:@ Sideni - thanks for posting your ideas, but perhaps you can elaborate on a couple of items? Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote:As for YourHarry, from what I've read, he's acting quite suspiciously, the most of all... I have to tell that I wouldn't know who to vote for =/ I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One Why do you find YourHarry suspicious so far? Also, how are we not following our day 1 policy?
I don't want to look like I'm jumping a bandwagon. However, being a bit late to the game, I'm trying to read what people are pointing out.
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I gotta say that what Dandel Ion said makes sense to me. I don't really want to re-explain everything since he has already done that.
Just the fact that YourHarry voted for the one who was against him makes him suspicious to me. (That's how I used to play in the live custom game i.e. voting againt people who are saying bad things about me xD)
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Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third?
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Though Harry has played so far with his pants squarely atop his head I feel that this is totally in line with his town meta, essentially I find his posting scummy and will be watching him but am hesitant to vote into him because his play is simply bad and, as any coach will tell you, bad play is a dumb-tell not a scum tell.
The player I have the most concern with right now is Golbat, as I said earlier making a promise and not following through is an anti-town behavior. Not simply bad play but anti-town. This allows for a player to get off the hook of suspicion because they have promised to do work to help town but also keeps them from having to put their reads into the thread which allows a scum player to stay neutral about people until they can let a townie make the case.
Until he posts his 'cases' my ##Vote will be on Golbat
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On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third?
please don't start making connection theories without a single flip. We'll be so deep in WIFOM that we'll need gills to breathe.
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On August 07 2012 09:36 Lvdr wrote:
Synyster apologizes for fluff... with more fluff.
YH: the whole point of being scum is to confuse the town. Being a confusing townie only makes people suspicious: as you no doubt have noticed.
iamperfection: other than YH's incompetence, who do you think is actually mafia?
I want to make it clear that i still think yourharry is the best bet for flppping to scum.
also to the defense that this is his town "meta" we dont really have a yourharry scum meta to go off now do we.
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On August 07 2012 10:02 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third? please don't start making connection theories without a single flip. We'll be so deep in WIFOM that we'll need gills to breathe.
I am not claiming a connection, I'm asking for sideni to make a unique case.
Restating another case while providing nothing of your own is potential-scum behavior.
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On August 07 2012 10:02 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:36 Lvdr wrote:
Synyster apologizes for fluff... with more fluff.
YH: the whole point of being scum is to confuse the town. Being a confusing townie only makes people suspicious: as you no doubt have noticed.
iamperfection: other than YH's incompetence, who do you think is actually mafia? I want to make it clear that i still think yourharry is the best bet for flppping to scum. also to the defense that this is his town "meta" we dont really have a yourharry scum meta to go off now do we.
...but we do have several games of town YourHarry meta, and he's completely in line with that so far. I really can't see why YourHarry (as hypothetical mafia) would draw attention to himself so blatantly in the early game. Firing off votes and FOS's without reason might not be popular or good play, but I don't see scum motivation in deliberately attracting that attention upon himself.
The suspicions on YourHarry looks like a case of suspecting a controversial poster rather than a legitimately scummy one.
So iamperfection, why do you find YourHarry scummy? You certainly outlined why his play is bad, but where's the scum motivation? To add to this, you of all people should know how incoherent YourHarry's townie play is from Newbie XXI.
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That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical.
And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me 
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Synystyr looks scummy to me. Here's why:
I believe that not lynching players simply because they are active is a good way to go about things. You could be scum using that as an excuse to cover up. While I do see the benefit in lynching a lurker versus an active player, I do not believe this should be the sole reasoning on how we lynch someone.
What is he trying to say here? We should avoid lynching active players? Or do scum already know that they should be active? Or is there a benefit? Or isn't there? Is the wine in front of me?
On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1.
Here, he doesn't say very much at all. First off, policy lynching lurkers is not because activity indicates alignment, it's because when town can lurk, then scum gets a free ride to lurk, too. Policy lynches are designed as punishment to "dry up the pond" for scumfish to swim around in.
Second, when he says that scum like to cause discord amongst the town, it's almost like he's painting anyone who comes out with an early case as a potential scum. Why would a town want to do that? Town benefits from discussion and active scumhunting, even to the point of arguments, if necessary.
On August 07 2012 01:37 Synystyr wrote:
I'm just being cautious. Golbat hasn't been too productive as far as I can tell, which isn't a town move, so I'm leaning scum. It's still early so I'm not pushing for anything yet though.
Scum have to look like they're trying to catch scum, without committing to anything. Here, Synystyr does that, as well as basically priming Golbat for a lynch, without having to commit himself. This is anti-town play at best.
On August 07 2012 03:43 Synystyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:43 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 01:28 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1. I didn't vote you yet Synystyr, just an FOS is all. But what's with the passive finger-pointing? In the first post, you mention that "I could be active scum" trying to clear myself - what's the townie motive behind that? Secondly, that reasoning on Golbat is terribad: he's trying to stir shit up and focus on lurkers (good townie behavior), and therefore he's setting up to defend himself and therefore he's scum?! Yeah ok buddy. Well you could be scum. I don't think it's bad to point out that, just because something looks towny, it can't be scum-motivated too. He did not actually attack you, or even imply to direct his post towards you. It seemed to me like he was talking more in general. Yet you're getting pretty defensive, pretty fast. Synystyr, now that you're here, post some more plox. I agree, from your perspective I could be mafia. However, I'm calling attention as to how Synyster decides to cast suspicion. His post literally says nothing, and it reads as a passive fingerpoint to me. As for my "defensiveness," I don't make any effort to defend myself - I'm simply pointing out scummy behavior, and this one just so happens to involve my name. On the contrary, I feel quite safe going with my instinct that you are a townie. You ask all the right questions and cast good suspicion over everyone. I really do mean it when I say I'm just being cautious. You never know what could happen.
Scum try to buddy other players very aggressively in the early parts of the game. This is a classic scumslip.
On August 07 2012 08:41 Synystyr wrote:
Let me assure you guys that I am indeed town! I apologize for the number of "fluff" posts that you guys say I am making. There is simply not much to go off this early in the game. I would move for a lurker policy lynch at this point in the game over any other active players unless they make me suspicious.
Golbat says he has some cases to post, so I'd like to hear what he has to say.
Wait a second: earlier Synystyr says that "activity is not indicative of alignment"; now, when people pressure him, he argues for a lurker policy lynch. This is the biggest slip in the thread so far.
In conclusion: town doesn't have to act like they're scumhunting without actually committing. Town doesn't have to try and buddy other players. Town doesn't have to self-consciously apologize for fluff posts and then immediately contradict their own post from 2 pages ago. There is no reason to do any of this... unless he's scum.
## Vote Synystyr
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Alright. Here is my case on synystyr
He starts off the game with a post that I feel is pretty useless. Nobody said we were going to lynch a lurker randomly. Also, how is anyone going to use it as an excuse to cover up as scum when we're all in agreement on the policy?
On August 06 2012 09:35 Synystyr wrote:LOL I believe that not lynching players simply because they are active is a good way to go about things. You could be scum using that as an excuse to cover up. While I do see the benefit in lynching a lurker versus an active player, I do not believe this should be the sole reasoning on how we lynch someone.
On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1.
What does "neutral leaning scum" mean? I'm not trying to cause discord or start shit, I don't really get it. There is a good reason for my attack on reading comprehension. It's that Lvdr didn't seem to comprehend my post and thought I was mafia last game, then attempted to spread le false information. While it was a simple misunderstanding, you can never be too cautious. call it when you see it.
On August 07 2012 01:37 Synystyr wrote:
I'm just being cautious. Golbat hasn't been too productive as far as I can tell, which isn't a town move, so I'm leaning scum. It's still early so I'm not pushing for anything yet though.
Calling me out for not being productive. Whilst being arguably less productive. WAT.
On August 07 2012 08:41 Synystyr wrote:
Let me assure you guys that I am indeed town! I apologize for the number of "fluff" posts that you guys say I am making. There is simply not much to go off this early in the game. I would move for a lurker policy lynch at this point in the game over any other active players unless they make me suspicious.
Golbat says he has some cases to post, so I'd like to hear what he has to say.
This is a complete 180 from his other posts, where he says I am scum and hap is town. Here he says there isn't much to go on this early in the game and calls for a policy lynch.
all in all, I feel this is worthy of an ##FoS Synystyr
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On August 07 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:Synystyr looks scummy to me. Here's why: Show nested quote +I believe that not lynching players simply because they are active is a good way to go about things. You could be scum using that as an excuse to cover up. While I do see the benefit in lynching a lurker versus an active player, I do not believe this should be the sole reasoning on how we lynch someone. What is he trying to say here? We should avoid lynching active players? Or do scum already know that they should be active? Or is there a benefit? Or isn't there? Is the wine in front of me? Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1. Here, he doesn't say very much at all. First off, policy lynching lurkers is not because activity indicates alignment, it's because when town can lurk, then scum gets a free ride to lurk, too. Policy lynches are designed as punishment to "dry up the pond" for scumfish to swim around in. Second, when he says that scum like to cause discord amongst the town, it's almost like he's painting anyone who comes out with an early case as a potential scum. Why would a town want to do that? Town benefits from discussion and active scumhunting, even to the point of arguments, if necessary. Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:37 Synystyr wrote:
I'm just being cautious. Golbat hasn't been too productive as far as I can tell, which isn't a town move, so I'm leaning scum. It's still early so I'm not pushing for anything yet though. Scum have to look like they're trying to catch scum, without committing to anything. Here, Synystyr does that, as well as basically priming Golbat for a lynch, without having to commit himself. This is anti-town play at best. Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:43 Synystyr wrote:On August 07 2012 01:43 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 01:28 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1. I didn't vote you yet Synystyr, just an FOS is all. But what's with the passive finger-pointing? In the first post, you mention that "I could be active scum" trying to clear myself - what's the townie motive behind that? Secondly, that reasoning on Golbat is terribad: he's trying to stir shit up and focus on lurkers (good townie behavior), and therefore he's setting up to defend himself and therefore he's scum?! Yeah ok buddy. Well you could be scum. I don't think it's bad to point out that, just because something looks towny, it can't be scum-motivated too. He did not actually attack you, or even imply to direct his post towards you. It seemed to me like he was talking more in general. Yet you're getting pretty defensive, pretty fast. Synystyr, now that you're here, post some more plox. I agree, from your perspective I could be mafia. However, I'm calling attention as to how Synyster decides to cast suspicion. His post literally says nothing, and it reads as a passive fingerpoint to me. As for my "defensiveness," I don't make any effort to defend myself - I'm simply pointing out scummy behavior, and this one just so happens to involve my name. On the contrary, I feel quite safe going with my instinct that you are a townie. You ask all the right questions and cast good suspicion over everyone. I really do mean it when I say I'm just being cautious. You never know what could happen. Scum try to buddy other players very aggressively in the early parts of the game. This is a classic scumslip. Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 08:41 Synystyr wrote:
Let me assure you guys that I am indeed town! I apologize for the number of "fluff" posts that you guys say I am making. There is simply not much to go off this early in the game. I would move for a lurker policy lynch at this point in the game over any other active players unless they make me suspicious.
Golbat says he has some cases to post, so I'd like to hear what he has to say. Wait a second: earlier Synystyr says that "activity is not indicative of alignment"; now, when people pressure him, he argues for a lurker policy lynch. This is the biggest slip in the thread so far. In conclusion: town doesn't have to act like they're scumhunting without actually committing. Town doesn't have to try and buddy other players. Town doesn't have to self-consciously apologize for fluff posts and then immediately contradict their own post from 2 pages ago. There is no reason to do any of this... unless he's scum. ## Vote Synystyr
To add to Shady's case, Synyster offers no information of his own while saying he's waiting for golbat's cases. Scum hate making their own cases.
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On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote:That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me
simple question
Why was calgar town?
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On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third?
Well, I have to tell you that since we can only lynch 1 person per day, I don't see why I would need to get 3 hypothesis.
However, I've read back to some things people posted not long ago and I might have found a clue.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 09:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 07:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
While YourHarry plays the scummiest out of all of them, I just can't determine if he actually IS scum.
Thats the problem with yourharry. We keep him around and he will just confise the town with his nonsense. I dont see why would should invest him and carry him to the end of the game. Plus his play from this game has been less than desirable. He made no response to my calling him out early in the game ( A sign that he dosent read the thread) and his hard to follow logic i think will just be detriment going further.Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:10 YourHarry wrote:
He is sure that my post was a joke, but still suspects that I am scum at the same time. Scum Harry may intentionally mess up the quotes to make it more difficult for town, in which case I won't be joking. Town Harry would accidentally mess up the quotes and joke about not fixing the quotes.
So it seems to be a forced argument to show commitment and throw fake "reads" out there. This is scummy because scums have harder time coming up with genuine reads because they have to build a case on someone they know is town. He basically just shows how it can be shown as wifom and then just throws a vote out there for no real reason. I want people going forward that will stand behind logic and look to strong cases. ## Vote Yourharry I see we only have one lurker left. You see how sidini didnt get his head bitten off just post dude
I used the Bold to point out the most important of his speech.
I try to show that iamperfection could be trying to convince us that we don't need YourHarry.
The point he's making isn't that we don't want YourHarry because he has great chances to be scum, but because he's confusing. In other words, he wants to get rid of him just because he's not clear and not because he's mafia !
After looking at that, I still feel that YourHarry might be suspicious, but I think that iamperfection has something against him with his case.
As Promethelax said
On August 07 2012 10:01 Promethelax wrote:
his play is simply bad and, as any coach will tell you, bad play is a dumb-tell not a scum tell.
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ebwop i also dont blame you i blame myself.
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On August 07 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote:That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me simple question Why was calgar town?
Please keep discussion of XXI and other games out of this thread. Your question doesn't do anything for this game.
Also, I asked you some questions about your suspicions on YourHarry - could you please answer them? Thanks!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=13#249 (Here for reference)
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On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote:That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me
I expect better play from you here than in XXI and I think that this might have the inklings of such play in it. It is time to stop fighting off the suspicions on you though and make real reads for the whole thread to see.
If more people want to bring up Harry's bad play as scummy they will have to go through me. I am, here and now, hard defending his bad play. It is bad. Not scummy. The one thing that makes him look scummy to me was his first refusal to re-post his post after screwing up the formatting. Since than he has been playing in a pro-town way and I expect him to continue to improve.
So harry, though I think your play seems scummy I am going to base my read off of your meta, prove me right and play a pro-townrole here.
On August 07 2012 10:05 Lvdr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 10:02 Promethelax wrote:On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third? please don't start making connection theories without a single flip. We'll be so deep in WIFOM that we'll need gills to breathe. I am not claiming a connection, I'm asking for sideni to make a unique case. Restating another case while providing nothing of your own is potential-scum behavior.
Fair enough, I misunderstood the intention of your original post.
I see that the real Slim Shady stood up, I like your case SS and I'll think about Syn.
Golbat: you gave us one case a day late and it had already been made. What gives?
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Well, guys, if you have any question, I'll answer tomorrow because I'm going to bed, but I don't have much time tomorrow because I go to the bar... I'll do my best ! :D
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Before leaving, I want to vote.
## vote iamperfection
you can relate to my other post to see why
+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 10:21 Sideni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third? Well, I have to tell you that since we can only lynch 1 person per day, I don't see why I would need to get 3 hypothesis. However, I've read back to some things people posted not long ago and I might have found a clue. + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 09:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 07:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
While YourHarry plays the scummiest out of all of them, I just can't determine if he actually IS scum.
Thats the problem with yourharry. We keep him around and he will just confise the town with his nonsense. I dont see why would should invest him and carry him to the end of the game. Plus his play from this game has been less than desirable. He made no response to my calling him out early in the game ( A sign that he dosent read the thread) and his hard to follow logic i think will just be detriment going further.Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:10 YourHarry wrote:
He is sure that my post was a joke, but still suspects that I am scum at the same time. Scum Harry may intentionally mess up the quotes to make it more difficult for town, in which case I won't be joking. Town Harry would accidentally mess up the quotes and joke about not fixing the quotes.
So it seems to be a forced argument to show commitment and throw fake "reads" out there. This is scummy because scums have harder time coming up with genuine reads because they have to build a case on someone they know is town. He basically just shows how it can be shown as wifom and then just throws a vote out there for no real reason. I want people going forward that will stand behind logic and look to strong cases. ## Vote Yourharry I see we only have one lurker left. You see how sidini didnt get his head bitten off just post dude I used the Bold to point out the most important of his speech. I try to show that iamperfection could be trying to convince us that we don't need YourHarry. The point he's making isn't that we don't want YourHarry because he has great chances to be scum, but because he's confusing. In other words, he wants to get rid of him just because he's not clear and not because he's mafia ! After looking at that, I still feel that YourHarry might be suspicious, but I think that iamperfection has something against him with his case. As Promethelax said Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 10:01 Promethelax wrote:
his play is simply bad and, as any coach will tell you, bad play is a dumb-tell not a scum tell.
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