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On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler +This post was not serious, pls ignore. not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why?
When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet).
Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green.
Now I just don't know what to think of him....
If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious.
I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town.
Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard...
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On August 07 2012 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote:On August 07 2012 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler +This post was not serious, pls ignore. not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why? When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard...
YH could be a good N1 detect target. Weird, inexplicable play from townies is dangerous and as scum it is a possible defense.
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On August 07 2012 02:37 Lvdr wrote:
Prome- What do you think of hapa? Seems solidly town, but a gf play could be devastating, esp given that he has been an active and successful scum before.
I like active posters and it is great to have another one in this game but as I said, neither of us (Happa, me) should be cleared of suspicion just because we are active we have both played active scum games where we roflstomped the town.
As those of you who played XXII with me know I believe that town needs a strong voice, a strong leader to create a positive town atmosphere and make sure that the town functions. A town Shepard essentially (lol sheep) not to tell people where to vote but to be the voice of reason when two townies tunnel each other (a la VE and WBG in every game ever, for a specific example see how Mattchew intercedes between them in the first MTG mini). This being said I do not think that the most active poster is always the man for this job and I would be wary of anyone trying to put themselves in the role of a town leader who should be followed, instead I think the town needs a leader who can tell us to back off of each others' throats and think about our case without confirmation bias. I will try to provide that voice when I can but I would do that as scum too because I think it is the most townie play possible.
What do you mean by gf?
On August 07 2012 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote:On August 07 2012 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler +This post was not serious, pls ignore. not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why? When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard...
Read his posts and look for the motivation in them, is it scum or town? As scum why would he do what he has done? as town why would he do it. Actions speak louder than meta.
I understand about the fluff but I would really like it to be gone. If you want to get drunk and pm gifs of cats falling down stairs or whatever lets wait for the end of the game. While we are here I would like every post to contribute to the discussion.
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EBWOP: defense is 'its too obvious to be scum, im just confused'
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gf is godfather - therefore undetectable. Strat would be: elected godfather, become important and active townie, lead town around on a merry chase.
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On August 07 2012 02:54 Lvdr wrote:
gf is godfather - therefore undetectable. Strat would be: elected godfather, become important and active townie, lead town around on a merry chase.
okay that is what I thought.
You are completely ass backwards on this one. XIX and XXI the most active mafia in both of those were Goon, not GF. I do not feel that the role someone gets should effect their play. Most players have a general meta and they play to it whether blue, green or red. (Some have specific metas to each alignment). i.e. If I were to role a blue I would have said the same things I have said although I am in fact a VT.
Also the goal of being a really pro-town player as scum is to never get a dt check on you, be so clearly town that checking you would be a waste of a night check.
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My point is that I feel pretty good about hapa, but over committing on a town read could be bad.
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On August 06 2012 22:42 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +(I hope it's alright that I modified his post in my quote so that it was correctly formatted. This made it much easier to read.) Thank you for that.. The rest of your post was fluff and OMGUS stuff, but at least I could read YourHarry's post.
I don't feel that it was fluff since my single post had been misinterpreted and used to start a case against me. I clarified my post so that others wouldn't misinterpret it similarly. I felt that most of what I said in that response was self-explanatory, but since YH evidently didn't think so, I saw the need to basically repeat myself. I suppose what I mean to say is that normally I would see my post as fluff, but in this case it was necessary as a response to accusations.
I also don't consider it to be OMGUS, as I would have had the same suspicions were it not me he was voting for. I would be surprised if everyone else didn't become a bit suspicious of his haste in voting. I didn't vote for him, which I think is an action that would be just as hasty as his own, but I did want to voice what I saw. What was your read on him following that post? Following Prom's explanation of YH's behavior in the past, I'm left more confused than suspicious, but I'm not quite ready to drop my FoS.
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On August 07 2012 01:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 01:28 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post  I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1. I didn't vote you yet Synystyr, just an FOS is all. But what's with the passive finger-pointing? In the first post, you mention that "I could be active scum" trying to clear myself - what's the townie motive behind that? Secondly, that reasoning on Golbat is terribad: he's trying to stir shit up and focus on lurkers (good townie behavior), and therefore he's setting up to defend himself and therefore he's scum?! Yeah ok buddy. Well you could be scum. I don't think it's bad to point out that, just because something looks towny, it can't be scum-motivated too. He did not actually attack you, or even imply to direct his post towards you. It seemed to me like he was talking more in general. Yet you're getting pretty defensive, pretty fast. Synystyr, now that you're here, post some more plox. I agree, from your perspective I could be mafia. However, I'm calling attention as to how Synyster decides to cast suspicion. His post literally says nothing, and it reads as a passive fingerpoint to me. As for my "defensiveness," I don't make any effort to defend myself - I'm simply pointing out scummy behavior, and this one just so happens to involve my name.
On the contrary, I feel quite safe going with my instinct that you are a townie. You ask all the right questions and cast good suspicion over everyone. I really do mean it when I say I'm just being cautious. You never know what could happen.
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On August 07 2012 03:26 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:42 Dandel Ion wrote:(I hope it's alright that I modified his post in my quote so that it was correctly formatted. This made it much easier to read.) Thank you for that.. The rest of your post was fluff and OMGUS stuff, but at least I could read YourHarry's post. I don't feel that it was fluff since my single post had been misinterpreted and used to start a case against me. I clarified my post so that others wouldn't misinterpret it similarly. I felt that most of what I said in that response was self-explanatory, but since YH evidently didn't think so, I saw the need to basically repeat myself. I suppose what I mean to say is that normally I would see my post as fluff, but in this case it was necessary as a response to accusations. I also don't consider it to be OMGUS, as I would have had the same suspicions were it not me he was voting for. I would be surprised if everyone else didn't become a bit suspicious of his haste in voting. I didn't vote for him, which I think is an action that would be just as hasty as his own, but I did want to voice what I saw. What was your read on him following that post? Following Prom's explanation of YH's behavior in the past, I'm left more confused than suspicious, but I'm not quite ready to drop my FoS.
You can find my read on YH on the top of the page.
+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +On August 07 2012 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote:On August 07 2012 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler +This post was not serious, pls ignore. not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why? When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard...
It's of course in your right to defend yourself. Don't take what I said as a reason to post less, either.
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@ Synystyr:
On August 07 2012 03:43 Synystyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:43 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 01:28 Hapahauli wrote:On August 07 2012 01:21 Synystyr wrote:@Hapa Don't be so quick to vote me after one post I was merely implying that activity is not indicative of alignment and shouldn't be taken into account in a case, yet. @Dandel My read on Golbat is that he's neutral leaning scum. Scum like to cause discord amongst the town, and there's really no need for attacks on reading comprehension without a good reason. He's just trying to stir shit up. He wants to lynch lurkers as well, which may be the start of a defense to as why he shouldn't be lynched d1. I didn't vote you yet Synystyr, just an FOS is all. But what's with the passive finger-pointing? In the first post, you mention that "I could be active scum" trying to clear myself - what's the townie motive behind that? Secondly, that reasoning on Golbat is terribad: he's trying to stir shit up and focus on lurkers (good townie behavior), and therefore he's setting up to defend himself and therefore he's scum?! Yeah ok buddy. Well you could be scum. I don't think it's bad to point out that, just because something looks towny, it can't be scum-motivated too. He did not actually attack you, or even imply to direct his post towards you. It seemed to me like he was talking more in general. Yet you're getting pretty defensive, pretty fast. Synystyr, now that you're here, post some more plox. I agree, from your perspective I could be mafia. However, I'm calling attention as to how Synyster decides to cast suspicion. His post literally says nothing, and it reads as a passive fingerpoint to me. As for my "defensiveness," I don't make any effort to defend myself - I'm simply pointing out scummy behavior, and this one just so happens to involve my name. On the contrary, I feel quite safe going with my instinct that you are a townie. You ask all the right questions and cast good suspicion over everyone. I really do mean it when I say I'm just being cautious. You never know what could happen.
I'm surprised that you feel so strongly that I'm town this early in the game. Instinct alone isn't grounds to trust someone on Day 1, and how can you know I'm casting "good suspicion" and asking the "right questions" when no one has flipped? Please explain your read on me more.
You also have not answered my questions in this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=10#187
Why do you find Golbat suspicious? Please provide more evidence than "he hasn't been too productive" - no one in the game has been productive yet. What in particular about his posts do you find not productive?
@ Promethelax:
On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
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Hapa: thanks for getting the discussion going. How do you feel about Golbat?
Golbat has a slight townie read to me at the moment, based on his interaction with Lvdr. I feel that scum Golbat would have taken the opportunity to grill Lvdr based on his misinformation more instead of forgiving his behavior as poor reading. It's especially telling that Golbat takes this stance despite two other players (me an Dandel Ion) pointing suspicion at Lvdr. (This of course assumes Lvdr is town-alligned, but it's a waste of all our time for me to dream up a hypothetical Golbat/Lvdr scumteam scenarios with such little information, and I have no reason to believe so at this point in the game).
Of course this can change based on future posting, but that's my view based on very limited information.
@ Lvdr:
On August 07 2012 02:37 Lvdr wrote:
Prome- What do you think of hapa? Seems solidly town, but a gf play could be devastating, esp given that he has been an active and successful scum before.
On August 07 2012 02:54 Lvdr wrote:
gf is godfather - therefore undetectable. Strat would be: elected godfather, become important and active townie, lead town around on a merry chase.
First off, it's great that you're considering all possibilities, and I welcome any and all questions about my behavior and posting. That being said, this type of speculation (i.e - I could be the godfather and it could be deadly for town) is pretty worthless early in the game, especially if there's no evidence behind it. Random speculative scenarios usually lead to bad/distracting discussion.
Note: Godfather's aren't "elected," they are a role chosen pre-game by the hosts. Perhaps you made a typo, but I wanted to clear this up in case.
Regarding suspicions on YourHarry - With no offense to YourHarry, his townie play in XXI was pretty incoherent, but so far, he's willing to stick his neck out and draw attention to himself. I doubt mafia would so willingly draw attention to themselves so early in the game, and I have a townie read on YourHarry for now.
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Given Synyster's most recent fluff and agree with hapa post, I am suspicious enough to go ahead and FOS Synyster.
YH should not be a d1 lynch, but he is someone to keep an eye on.
ps: replace elect, choose, get pmed godfather, you know what i mean.
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Is there anyone else that stands out to you at the moment Lvdr? You were interested in Golbat earlier - do you still have suspicions about him?
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Synyster and then YH are most suspicious.
Like most players so far, Golbat hasn't done much to seem solidly town. Doesn't mean he's scum.
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What do you think in terms of Doc/DT strategy? As this is my first game of forum mafia, I wonder how they are typically targeted here.
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What do you mean by "targeted"?
As for Doc/DT/BlueRole stuff, most of that discussion happens during the night cycle, since actions don't have to be sent in until then.
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Sounds reasonable. I mean that doc heals X, DT checks Y, etc.
Who is on your suspicious list?
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On August 07 2012 06:29 Lvdr wrote:
Sounds reasonable. I mean that doc heals X, DT checks Y, etc.
Who is on your suspicious list?
I will say that talking about blue-role actions early in the game is considered semi-taboo (unless you have a very good reason to do so of course) - mafia can use blue discussion as clues to kill blue roles during the night, so most people stray away from such discussion.
As for my suspicion list, Synystyr is #1 of course. I generally don't like to focus on more than one person at a time, as it can be distracting for the town with multiple suspicions flying around. In addition, I find it inexcusable that Sideni and TolEranceNA have still not posted almost 24 hours into the game.
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Hey guys, just got back. In the process of writing my cases. I'm thinking i'm only going to do two for now, cause i'm at a friend's house and I don't want to be in the corner playing mafia all night.
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From what I can tell using the search function:
Neither Sideni or TolEranceNA have played a game of TL mafia before, nor have they posted beyond saying "/in." If they've forgotten about joining this game they will be modkilled no?
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