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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
@ Golbat: Awesome, I look forward to your cases | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
As stated previously, Synyster is my top suspect for the reasons below: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=8#153 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=10#185 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=11#211 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Other than that, I have suspicions of Lvdr and Synyster, and very light suspicions of Promethelax, mkfuba and Shady Sands. With Sideni and Tolerance lurking hardcore, that leaves iamperfection, Golbat and Hapahauli. iamperfection and Golbat are kind of laying low, both barely noteable from interactions with the "Lvdr Assuption" (I mean this, just in case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=7#122 Hapahauli on the other hand seems to be too busy keeping the conversation alive to do anything else. While that could be a elaborate ploy to avoid suspicion, right now, my gut instinct says it's not. And I like my gut. Because I am aware that my post is pretty wishy-washy, I'm gonna put it out straight: If I had to vote right now, I'd vote YourHarry | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
Golbat has made a number of fluff posts, with the only real material coming when he attacked my confusion about his role in the last game he played. The cases he claimed to be forming are not in evidence (yet). As it stands, Golbat might be a semi-lurker mafia. However, Synyster remains my top suspect. | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
I usually maintain that logical flaws is not a scum tell, because townies also make mistakes. But when the mistakes are borderline unreasonable, it is difficult for me to accept that such townie making the mistake is doing it because he is being forced to make a case against someone. | ||
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Synystyr
United States1446 Posts
Golbat says he has some cases to post, so I'd like to hear what he has to say. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
By the way, I encourage everyone to start voting more. FOS is OK but voting is more active way to incite discussion. Especially, early in the day, this is a good idea. Also, it's easier to keep track of who was voting who when we look back at earlier day. With alignments of players become known, being able to analyze who had their votes on which players is helpful. And it's not like we are stuck with the people we vote. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 07 2012 08:41 Synystyr wrote: Let me assure you guys that I am indeed town! I apologize for the number of "fluff" posts that you guys say I am making. There is simply not much to go off this early in the game. I would move for a lurker policy lynch at this point in the game over any other active players unless they make me suspicious. Golbat says he has some cases to post, so I'd like to hear what he has to say. Unfortunately, I need more than your assurances to establish your innocence. Can you please answer the questions I posed to you in my last post addressed to you? It feels like you're dodging them repeatedly: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=11#211 @ Dandel Ion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=201&topic_id=355874 In your post here, you mention that you looked through Harry's meta to get a read on him, and didn't know what to think of him. Do you still believe Harry is scum despite his meta in past games? | ||
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
I'm honestly sorry for my long time before posting... I'll explain myself even if some of you might take that as lurking. I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST. I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD) I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD) After reading all these pages (I'll probable have to go back to some points to make a case ...) I finally post... I don't know how to start, if I should call my role or not just as Hapahauli did even if it might be suspicious to insist on your role and being the one saying what policies we should follow. However, since he looks to have quite a lot of experience, I'll just say it, I'm a Vanilla Townie ! :D Hope I'm not too late to join the game =/ | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=6#109 Please try to catch up reading the thread in the next hour or so - it's not too long for now. When you do, post the player(s) you find most suspicious. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On August 07 2012 07:50 Dandel Ion wrote: While YourHarry plays the scummiest out of all of them, I just can't determine if he actually IS scum. Thats the problem with yourharry. We keep him around and he will just confise the town with his nonsense. I dont see why would should invest him and carry him to the end of the game. Plus his play from this game has been less than desirable. He made no response to my calling him out early in the game ( A sign that he dosent read the thread) and his hard to follow logic i think will just be detriment going further. On August 06 2012 23:10 YourHarry wrote: He is sure that my post was a joke, but still suspects that I am scum at the same time. Scum Harry may intentionally mess up the quotes to make it more difficult for town, in which case I won't be joking. Town Harry would accidentally mess up the quotes and joke about not fixing the quotes. So it seems to be a forced argument to show commitment and throw fake "reads" out there. This is scummy because scums have harder time coming up with genuine reads because they have to build a case on someone they know is town. He basically just shows how it can be shown as wifom and then just throws a vote out there for no real reason. I want people going forward that will stand behind logic and look to strong cases. ## Vote Yourharry I see we only have one lurker left. You see how sidini didnt get his head bitten off just post dude | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 07 2012 08:39 YourHarry wrote: Lvdr's case against me - that I was too lazy to fix my quote mishap - seems logically flawed in the most extreme sense that I can't help think that he is scum. As I explained, the reason why I didn't fix the post was because the it was still readable and I didn't feel the need to create a duplicate post with identical content, especially since the post was rather long. But more importantly, Lvdr is basically saying that scums are inherently less interested in fixing their posts because they want to actively make it confusing for town. I have never seen or heard something like this happen. And I have seen many times where townies left their posts unfixed. I usually maintain that logical flaws is not a scum tell, because townies also make mistakes. But when the mistakes are borderline unreasonable, it is difficult for me to accept that such townie making the mistake is doing it because he is being forced to make a case against someone. YourHarry, you currently have your vote on Promethelax (and at one point on mkfuba07), yet you're accusing Lvdr of mafia motive. Do you still find Promethelax and mkfuba to be suspicious? | ||
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
Alright, for the policy, I think it's a great way to play the Day One even if I don't want to make it the only logic I use. I understand that it's almost only for the first day, which makes perfect sense. Saying that because I know how mafia players act when they are mafia (talking about myself when I play on StarCraft or IRL with my friends xD) Now, a player I would think is suspicious... Looking at yourself, being a leader in the discussion and giving the idea for the policy YOU want to adopt can make you suspicious. =/ Not to forget that you seem to have a lot of experience in this game, which would make it easier for you to hide from players such as me that are new to the game. However, it's just a feeling I have and I can't really rely on that (Have to use my scientist mind !  )As for YourHarry, from what I've read, he's acting quite suspiciously, the most of all... I have to tell that I wouldn't know who to vote for =/ I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One For Tolerance, I tried to contact him on Skype to tell him that the game had started, but he won't answer ... (He's my friend) Looks like we'll need someone to substitute him =( | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 07 2012 08:44 YourHarry wrote: Looking through Dandel Ion's filter, I don't see why he thinks I am scummy. @Dandel Discuss. You start off with the unreadable post, instead of fixing it you make a joke. Yes that point is old, and we've been over it already. Then you vote without giving a reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#169 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#170 Just to jump onto somebody else right after (note that none of either players you accuse have posted inbetween): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#174 Both players have also FoS'd you before that, so you respond by voting for them. When pointed out by the powers that be that you are voting wrong, you go back to voting Promethelax instead http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#177 I'd like for you to make sense of that, for I cannot. Your play is confusing to me, because as town, I don't see why you'd do that. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
YH: the whole point of being scum is to confuse the town. Being a confusing townie only makes people suspicious: as you no doubt have noticed. iamperfection: other than YH's incompetence, who do you think is actually mafia? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote: I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One We need discussion. We NEED it. Just saying "yep let's lynch a lurker" and then go brain-afk will not help us. On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote: For Tolerance, I tried to contact him on Skype to tell him that the game had started, but he won't answer ... (He's my friend) Looks like we'll need someone to substitute him =( You might wanna be careful with that, I'm pretty sure it's forbidden to contact other players even for that. | ||
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