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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On August 07 2012 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: Please keep discussion of XXI and other games out of this thread. Your question doesn't do anything for this game. Also, I asked you some questions about your suspicions on YourHarry - could you please answer them? Thanks! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=13#249 (Here for reference) What can i say i disagree with you. If he could answer that question with logic i would be more inclined to believe that there is some logic to his madness. If he cant i think my points stand. Do i have a note here that says he is scum no but i also dont have anything from anyone else that someone else i 100 times better so i think my logic stands on getting him out of the game. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I like your case against iamperfection, and I question the motives of his vote. He charges in when a bunch of people are FOS'ing YourHarry for very suspect reasoning (bad play as opposed to mafia motive). FOS iamperfection | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 07 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote: What can i say i disagree with you. If he could answer that question with logic i would be more inclined to believe that there is some logic to his madness. If he cant i think my points stand. Do i have a note here that says he is scum no but i also dont have anything from anyone else that someone else i 100 times better so i think my logic stands on getting him out of the game. You keep mentioning "logic-this" and "logic-that," but I have yet to see any logic in your posts. How is questioning YourHarry about Calgar in XXI "logical?" Great, you disagree with me but why? What part of his play do you see as scummy? I see you pointing out his bad play, but none of his scummy play. Tell me what "scum-Harry's" motives are for posting the way he did. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On August 07 2012 10:33 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sideni - I don't mind you voting early, but try to make sure you're availible near lynch-time (~20 hours from now) to change your vote if necessary. I like your case against iamperfection, and I question the motives of his vote. He charges in when a bunch of people are FOS'ing YourHarry for very suspect reasoning (bad play as opposed to mafia motive). FOS iamperfection Hapa i know your afraid of revisting that game because of your scum meta but its definitly fine to revisit it. Like i said before if he could explain how he came to that conclusion i would be more likely to believe there is a method to the madness. Introducing cahos is a scum motive in my view. Thats what yourhrry does with his posting he introduces chaos. Do i have some other motives for lynching him yes. Do i not like how he plays yes. Do i not want yourharry by my side if god forbid i make it that far yes. You might not like that hapa but its the truth. Also i did not charge in i called out yourharry in my very first post and he ignored it. yourharry is my case his posting in this thread just confirmed to me what i already knew. He is reckless and i want him out. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
@ ShadySands - Love the case and it's completely in-line with my suspicions earlier in the game. While I'm highly suspicious of Synystyr, I want to see more of his posting before I cast my vote. If he continues to ignore the questions I posed to him earlier, I will vote him tomorrow. @ Golbat - What happened to your case against the 2nd player? Given that I was already casting heavy suspicion againt Synystyr, I was expecting a bit more than that out of you after such a build up. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 07 2012 11:15 iamperfection wrote: Hapa i know your afraid of revisting that game because of your scum meta but its definitly fine to revisit it. Woah whaaat!? I've very willingly pointed out my play in XXI several times in this thread. That's some misinformation right there. That's also quite the fingerpoint - so you're accusing me of being mafia then? Like i said before if he could explain how he came to that conclusion i would be more likely to believe there is a method to the madness. I don't give two shits about his play last game - I care about his play in this game. His coherence in his last game does nothing to tell us about his play in this game. And so far, I think his play this game makes sense from a "getting everyone to talk" perspective. Introducing cahos is a scum motive in my view. Thats what yourhrry does with his posting he introduces chaos. Do i have some other motives for lynching him yes. Do i not like how he plays yes. Do i not want yourharry by my side if god forbid i make it that far yes. You might not like that hapa but its the truth. Also i did not charge in i called out yourharry in my very first post and he ignored it. yourharry is my case his posting in this thread just confirmed to me what i already knew. He is reckless and i want him out. So you called out YourHarry before you post and wanted him gone before anything happened in the game?!?!? How on EARTH is that town motive? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
On August 07 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote: @ Lvdr - I appreciate your enthusiasm in the scumhunt, but you currently suspect about half of the players in the game so far. Perhaps you can narrow down your reads? I'm sure some players must seem more scummy to you than others. @ ShadySands - Love the case and it's completely in-line with my suspicions earlier in the game. While I'm highly suspicious of Synystyr, I want to see more of his posting before I cast my vote. If he continues to ignore the questions I posed to him earlier, I will vote him tomorrow. @ Golbat - What happened to your case against the 2nd player? Given that I was already casting heavy suspicion againt Synystyr, I was expecting a bit more than that out of you after such a build up. Drunk. If I attempted it, it would not be pretty. Syn is the person i'm looking at the most, so I don't see a need to push it out right now. I may have gotten a bit ahead of myself with 2-3 cases in 8 hours so early in the game. it'll get here when it gets here. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
In all seriousness, my FOS point to only 2: synyster and iamperfection For the record, YH and golbat are likely townie reads in my opinion. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 07 2012 11:37 Lvdr wrote: What do you mean there are only 3 mafia? Why can't everyone be mafia! In all seriousness, my FOS point to only 2: synyster and iamperfection For the record, YH and golbat are likely townie reads in my opinion. Why the sudden shift in attitude on YourHarry and Golbat? Also, of synyster and iamperfection, is there one that stands out to you as a better lynch candidate (and why)? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On August 07 2012 11:37 Lvdr wrote: What do you mean there are only 3 mafia? Why can't everyone be mafia! In all seriousness, my FOS point to only 2: synyster and iamperfection For the record, YH and golbat are likely townie reads in my opinion. edit by way of refresh damint hapa sniped me At least give us some reasoning buddy. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
Golbat is average suspicion, and YH is inscrutable. Right now (and I reserve the right to change my mind when more posts are made) I think iamperfection would give us more information. If he flips red, YH looks much less suspicious. Hard to believe he would bus YH that hard D1. Synyster is still a good lynch because of the cases brought so far. Unfortunately, because he has said basically nothing, the connections would be less obvious. Voting trends are always useful though. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On August 07 2012 11:51 Lvdr wrote: I will still observe them (just like everyone) but Synyster and iamperfection are the ones I am confident enough to FOS. Golbat is average suspicion, and YH is inscrutable. Right now (and I reserve the right to change my mind when more posts are made) I think iamperfection would give us more information. If he flips red, YH looks much less suspicious. Hard to believe he would bus YH that hard D1. Synyster is still a good lynch because of the cases brought so far. Unfortunately, because he has said basically nothing, the connections would be less obvious. Voting trends are always useful though. That makes no sense why would me flipping red have anything to do with yourharry. If you believe what has been said ive been using reasoning outside this game and the fact i dont think he is a good player to lynch him. Yourharry really hasent commented on the situation that much. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 07 2012 11:51 Lvdr wrote: I will still observe them (just like everyone) but Synyster and iamperfection are the ones I am confident enough to FOS. Golbat is average suspicion, and YH is inscrutable. Right now (and I reserve the right to change my mind when more posts are made) I think iamperfection would give us more information. If he flips red, YH looks much less suspicious. Hard to believe he would bus YH that hard D1. Synyster is still a good lynch because of the cases brought so far. Unfortunately, because he has said basically nothing, the connections would be less obvious. Voting trends are always useful though. Not sure that going for "lynch to reveal information" is a good idea. I pushed that line in XXII, and both my targets ended up flipping town (one ended up flipping Vig, as Golbat can attest to.) If Synystyr seems scummier, he's probably the better lynch target. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
On August 07 2012 10:42 Lvdr wrote: Having reviewed iamperfection's posting from the beginning, he is another person that has contributed no unique analysis. He has posted on policy, attacked YH way more than is needed, and fluff. Directing discussion to another game doesn't look good. Talk about something other than lurkers and YH. From a scum point of view, YH is the perfect target to tunnel on because a mislynch would be defensible. YH has acted somewhat suspiciously, but is also attracting a lot of attention and will struggle to keep his cover if he really is mafia. Otherwise, I invite everyone to filter iamperfection and look at how little content he has offered. He has commented on the D1 lynch policy, called out lurkers, and referenced another game of mafia. He has made no reads other than YH. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Ya know, this post isn't going to go away just because you tried to pick a fight with Lvdr: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=14#269 I still want answers for the following: 1) Are you accusing me of being mafia? 2) You called out YourHarry in your first post - why did you do this before he even posted/ was worthy of suspicion? 3) And while we're at it, what do you think of the cases against Synystyr? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On August 07 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote: @ iamperfection: Ya know, this post isn't going to go away just because you tried to pick a fight with Lvdr: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=14#269 I still want answers for the following: 1) Are you accusing me of being mafia? 2) You called out YourHarry in your first post - why did you do this before he even posted/ was worthy of suspicion? 3) And while we're at it, what do you think of the cases against Synystyr? 1) no. My thinking was this hypothetically harry flips town then boom someone can attack you with meta from the last game thats why i think you could be worried about that. 2) i dont like the way he plays i think ive made that quite clear. Did i have an agenda to get him out of the game yes thats the truth. You dont have to like it. its not nice. its not even fair but i think the longer yourharry is in the game he does more damage than good. You dont have to agree with that but im just stating my thinking behind why i wanted him lynched. 3)Synyster has five posts. Its hard to say he is "scum" cause there isnt much to go on. I think he might be somewhat fearful in posting. His accusations seem to focus on productivity which is wierd because he is very unproductive himself. If forced to guess i would say awful town. | ||
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