TL Mafia LVIII - Page 124

On November 25 2012 15:23 Z-BosoN wrote:


Allright guys, I'm pretty confident he's scum at this point. There isn't really much to say, but he simply has not scumhunted. The only part of his play where he actually bothers analyzing someone's play, is a defense of sand's lynch. Now, that alone is not scummy by itself. Normally I'd give that a town read - actually, as scum generally don't like sticking their necks out for other scum.

However, it goes from not-so-scummy to unbelievably scummy when this post:



Is the ONLY attempt of analyzing someone's play he makes in the entire game.
Also, note the bolded part, at the end of the post. He finds that he feels to find a lynch choice. He spends an entire post answering and fluffing about (also needlessly taking the chance to defend sand):



But when it comes to actual scumhunting, here is what he comes up with:



Let us take a look at some of his previous games, where he was town. Here is day one of TLVII (yes, I'll cite this again)
Day one:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=21#402

From mario. He has posts where there is a discernable amount of interest in finding scum:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=22#438
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=43#841

And even:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=89#1765

Now, I learned my lesson from Mario - don't go too heavy in this regard when dealing with hopeless. However, my meta-related case on him on mario came much earlier than here. ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=50#986 ). This was a day one case, in which he had not contributed in any regard. Right now, we are in day 3, and yet he still manages to not have made a single case or a single dignified attempt at scumhunting.
Even in mario, a game where he was lurky as all hell, he had shown signs and attempts at scumhunting, something which has not yet occured this game.

In this game, there is not a single sign of actual interest in finding scum. He spends half his time fluffing, and half his time speculating on setup and roles and what not.

Onwards

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There is, also a bonus argument this game. Let's observe how inconsistent as all hell he's being in regards to his vote on sand, day one. One of his first posts:



He demonstrates here, bolded above, that the interest in vote mechanics this game lies down to:

• Identify town
  
• vote town to lead the party

Now, I have a strong tendency to misinterpret, but here it is extra clear that he finds it necessary for town to win the party. He even makes it clearer:



He then votes sandroba, without any form of reasoning:



When jumped on, he says this:



Which is in direct contradiction to his stated views. Here's what I think happened:
Scum Hopeless went ahead and posted his thoughts on the thread. However, on the QT, mafia decided that their best shot was to elect sandroba. Hopeless quickly voted, without being clear on his intents and purposes, and had to justify himself later. Funnily enough, he only maintains this line of thought for a moment, because later on in the game, look at what he has to say regarding the town leader:



Thus being completely inconsistent on his own views. This makes much more sense than him actually changing his mind over time about what the hell it is that he finds important for his leader to be elected.

He then goes full derp with his vote. First says that, out of nowhere, he wants to move his vote to syllo (which was becoming a trend at the time):



Not answering Hapa's point regarding syllo at all, just saying he "disagrees" with it.
Then, BAM:



Again, without saying anything. I view that he is trying to fit in his vote, without looking too suspicious. In nowhere does he retract his views on sand, in nowhere does he justify where he's putting his vote. He just follows suit with the thread and what he thinks will make him look less suspicious.

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tl;dr
It is of my opinion that hopeless is playing the "lazy scum game", where he just goes around talking with people without ever really trying to find scum. If this meta is not enough, he demonstrates mafia mentality in his actions. I'm pretty convinced he is filthy, filthy scum.