EPTTL Mafia XLIV - Page 110
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 03 2011 05:52 Barundar wrote: Yup Pyo needs to hang to cut KP asap. I agree. ##vote: Pyo | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
If you all are going to lynch me not much more I can do to stop it... I've stated my defense as well as I can, but when I flip blue, I think it's pretty clear who should really be lynched. ##vote: chaoser | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I'm pretty sure that the scum team can be found within Rayzor, supersoft, chaos13 and Navillus To an OMGUS vote on me? Pretty desperate, especially since all my actions are 100% explainable. It wasn't a matter of convenience, it was a matter of I know how to play the game. Not only have I been calling out mig (with his contradiction) since day 1 (which is why I checked him night 1), got foolishness' approval day 2 along with a medic coming out to confirm him (thus my check on him to try to check sanity), and finally getting mig LYNCHED on day 3, but I also pointed out and then argued that lynching bum was the best choice yesterday when a lot of people totally missed that point. Scum must be sweating it out huh? After today's lynch you won't be able to kill me at all cause you'll have one KP and I'm sure we have 1 medic left over, as you must think since that's why you're so scared to hit me. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 28 2011 12:01 Pyo wrote: why would you claim now of all times... you have a whole day to push for a vain lynch and now you're dead tonight. Oh well, I guess we should at least make use of your inevitable death and lower mafia kp to 2 and force them to double tap you. #vote: Vain When previously you hadn't been posting much of anything? As summed up by wherebugsgo's post right after your post that I just quoted? On August 28 2011 12:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Dude, you better start posting more before I start tunneling you into doing that. You're just BARELY staying under the modkill threshold. Either you're mafia or you're just absolutely lazy. Anyway, if over the course of the next 48 hours you don't become more active, you will CERTAINLY become part of my shortlist for mafia #6. + Show Spoiler + of course, the caveat is that posting more won't actually save you either, you gotta actually contribute stuff to help us hunt mafia lol Bum followed suit soon after, being the SECOND person to immediately vote Vain without question. A coincidence? I think not. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 03 2011 11:11 RayzorFlash wrote: WTF chaoser survives 2 nights after claiming AND saying he found a scum (which was itself made at a really bad time where he could've been trying to cause a mislynch from Mig)? Something isn't right here... I am now way more comfortable with lynching Rayzor than I was before. On September 03 2011 13:40 Pyo wrote: ya know, it was awfully convenient that you happened to be able to confirm your sanity after the first 2 nights and happened to have picked the person who was getting framed as your 3rd check. Ya know, you still haven't technically confirmed that you really are town. If you all are going to lynch me not much more I can do to stop it... I've stated my defense as well as I can, but when I flip blue, I think it's pretty clear who should really be lynched. ##vote: chaoser You just defended Chaoser after Rayzor's attempt to compromise him and now you make a 180° turn. You stated that Rayzor is a likely red; then you checked him and got innocent back, which made you think that you are naive indeed - and then completely forgot about your suspect and decided to join him in discrediting Chaoser? A DT wants to confirm their sanity as soon as possible. Chaoser confirming himself on Night 2 was not convenient - it was imperative. You fake-claimed and this is why you are "pretty sure" that you are naive on Day 6. ok, I didn't want to do the analysis myself because I wanted people to read the thread and come to the correct conclusions themselves Why would a townie not want to help us reach the correct conclussions? And then why would the said townie spent most of their long post on defending himself instead of actually contributing? No, I absolutely wasn't saying BrownBear shouldn't be lynched, I was saying "why was Palmar suddenly changing FoS target?" You would know this if you were actually reading the thread as it was happening. I did actually read the thread before posting my analysis on you earlier. Palmar had five posts about BB already: 1 2 3 4 5, yet you only reacted to the last one. Curu was correct to point this out as mafia behaviour. As for the voting for Vain, I was the 3rd person to vote and first person to vote for vain, I just didn't change my vote, part because it didn't matter and part because vain flipping red would have confirmed my sanity. You were willing to lynch a townie to confirm yourself as being a naive (i.e. useless) DT? Vote: Pyo P.S. If mafia frame a Corrupted Liquidian that a DT checks, does the check return green or red? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 01 2011 22:51 xtfftc wrote: Pyo put more effort into justifying his plan than in executing the plan itself - and it sounds to me as if the idea only occured to him after some of us suggested that he was trying to draw the attention away from somebody else. He also refused to comment on Kurumi, whom I am still suspicious of. But he also argued against Palmar's wrong read on Mig at a time when the lynch wasn't secure at all - and agreed with the accusations against BrownBear. It's not like he was under pressure to go after them. I can imagine that Pyo, similarly to other townies who got themselves lynched, is overdoing things under pressure. I don't see mafia doing such a bad job at a fake claim, especially when they have a few days to prepare it. Why would mafia post this during nighttime and then kill WBG? Surely if mafia wanted us to believe Pyo's claim, they would have kept WBG alive or told Pyo to accuse someone else. The only way I see for both BB/Bum and Pyo to be mafia is that they are constantly arguing with each other with the hope that after one of them flips red, the other will have more town cred. But the DT claim still doesn't make sense.. If BB/Bum flips red tonight, I'd be inclined to give Pyo some more time. I am happy to go for Rayzor or Navillus today instead. ##Unvote  yoPyo, you have time to contribute if you are town. You posted on Barundar and Chaos13 but what about the rest? Rayzor, Navillus, myself, Chaoser, etc.? The more you post, the higher your chances to avoid the lynch are. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: P.S. If mafia frame a Corrupted Liquidian that a DT checks, does the check return green or red? Framers reverse results, thus a corrupted liquidian, who usually returns guilty to the Inquisiton would return Innocent | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On September 03 2011 11:11 RayzorFlash wrote: WTF chaoser survives 2 nights after claiming AND saying he found a scum (which was itself made at a really bad time where he could've been trying to cause a mislynch from Mig)? Something isn't right here... This is your first suspicion in like a week? And you just pop in right after the flips? Convenient timing isn't it? On September 03 2011 13:40 Pyo wrote: ya know, it was awfully convenient that you happened to be able to confirm your sanity after the first 2 nights and happened to have picked the person who was getting framed as your 3rd check. Ya know, you still haven't technically confirmed that you really are town. If you all are going to lynch me not much more I can do to stop it... I've stated my defense as well as I can, but when I flip blue, I think it's pretty clear who should really be lynched. ##vote: chaoser Let's translate that shall we? "ya know, you haven't been able to confirm yourself as 100% townie. You haven't been acting scummy, but you're not 100% town, so let's lynch you." herp scum. I can see the scum plan now. Keep chaoser alive to discredit him. RF: Go point out that he's still alive! A claimed DT is still alive!! Clearly he's Mafia! Even though he is useless while RB'd. Pyo: To add to the doubt, point out that he's not technically confirmed!! He's still alive and he's not 100% confirmed, clearly town will have to agree that he's absolutely mafia!! Let's push this lynch guys!! ye ##vote Pyo | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 03 2011 21:01 Jackal58 wrote: Someday I hope to still be playing on page 110. You aren't missing anything. Optimal winning strategy for scum in TL Mafia: 1. Identify people who actually read the thread. 2. Systematically eliminate them 3. Act blatantly scummy and set up fake claims to mock the town that just gets sheeped around. 4. Snicker and laugh with each other in the mafia QT when no one believes a truthful DT claim. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: I am now way more comfortable with lynching Rayzor than I was before. I am actually starting to think that Rayzor might not be scum - regardless, this statement doesn't indicate scumminess unless you are dead-set on believing chaoser is town, which town really shouldn't be. I was wrong about chaos13, so I certainly could have been wrong about Rayzor. On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: You just defended Chaoser after Rayzor's attempt to compromise him and now you make a 180° turn. You stated that Rayzor is a likely red; then you checked him and got innocent back, which made you think that you are naive indeed - and then completely forgot about your suspect and decided to join him in discrediting Chaoser? I didn't completely forget that, but rather it just occurred to me that my biggest mistake might have been the assumption that Chaoser was telling the truth. This should allay my concerns: As a roleblocker, are you obligated to roleblock someone? If someone is roleblocked, but does not have a role, are they informed of the roleblock? On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: A DT wants to confirm their sanity as soon as possible. Chaoser confirming himself on Night 2 was not convenient - it was imperative. You fake-claimed and this is why you are "pretty sure" that you are naive on Day 6. what was suspicious wasn't that he had found a way to "confirm" himself, but rather that he would just happen to have investigated the target of the frame. And I didn't fake claim. On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: Why would a townie not want to help us reach the correct conclussions? And then why would the said townie spent most of their long post on defending himself instead of actually contributing? I don't really have any town cred, so me say "hey guys, I'm innocent and here's why..." is just as likely to be written off by people as "meh whaterver, scum just trying to manipulate town. I would rather people actually look at the game and make their decisions based on their own analysis rather than rely on it being spoon-fed to them. On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: I did actually read the thread before posting my analysis on you earlier. Palmar had five posts about BB already: 1 2 3 4 5, yet you only reacted to the last one. Curu was correct to point this out as mafia behaviour. What are you talking about? Here is what he said in those 5 posts you linked: On August 20 2011 03:51 Palmar wrote: Also, you seem to be advocating lynching lurkers quite heavily. Care to elaborate on that? On August 20 2011 03:53 Palmar wrote: I just want to point out I now think Brownbear is scum too. On August 20 2011 03:53 Palmar wrote: I bolded the scum-logic part. On August 20 2011 04:05 Palmar wrote: Well, I read that as any scummy asshole with a plan is going to get a free bye on day 1, because you want to lynch someone inactive? Or does, the free pass on making plans and blanket statements to avoid the lynch only extend to a specific pool of people? Why would I respond to pointless one-liners? On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote: You were willing to lynch a townie to confirm yourself as being a naive (i.e. useless) DT? I didn't (and don't) know that Vain is town. Him flipping would inform me of my sanity, so I wasn't going to go out of my way to prevent vain from flipping. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On September 03 2011 22:05 Pyo wrote: As a roleblocker, are you obligated to roleblock someone? If someone is roleblocked, but does not have a role, are they informed of the roleblock? No. Roles do NOT have to use their actions if they don't want to, therefore a roleblocker may choose to not use his powers at night. Yes, if you are roleblocked, regardless of role, you are informed of the fact. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 03 2011 22:05 Pyo wrote: I don't really have any town cred, so me say "hey guys, I'm innocent and here's why..." is just as likely to be written off by people as "meh whaterver, scum just trying to manipulate town. Precisely, so instead of telling us that you are innocent, post more about other people and let us reach our own conclusions. On September 03 2011 22:05 Pyo wrote: What are you talking about? Here is what he said in those 5 posts you linked: Why would I respond to pointless one-liners? These are much more than one-liners but you have to read the context to figure it out. You don't always need a wall of text to make a case. On September 03 2011 22:05 Pyo wrote: I didn't completely forget that, but rather it just occurred to me that my biggest mistake might have been the assumption that Chaoser was telling the truth. This sounds interesting and I'd like to read more of your thoughts on the issue. And please don't bother replying me to defend yourself; this is completely pointless. Instead, make cases on those you think are mafia. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
what was suspicious wasn't that he had found a way to "confirm" himself, but rather that he would just happen to have investigated the target of the frame. And I didn't fake claim. So are you basing your case on me based on the fact that I happened to check someone who was being framed? Note that not only was Vain being talked about a lot the previous day but that he also made a good check at that point (Was suspected, not at the forefront of people's minds, lurker-ish). Bum is obviously a smart mafia player, for him to pick to frame vain isn't beyond him. Also, need I point you to this? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5ROUu.png) More unlikely things have happened. My checking someone getting framed isn't that crazy/impossible a thing. I claimed at, what I think, was the perfect moment. Early in the cycle so that people could have time to analysis the situation (which I am glad for since it resulted in figuring out vain was framed), and just in time in the game so that mafia would have to decide on killing me with a double stack or going for two kills. My claim was two-fold as you can see, one was to get the info out and the other was, if mafia's KP was reduced, to give me a chance at not being shot at. It worked almost perfectly. | ||
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Curu
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